Surprised how many people are happy to see the Germans win.
Arguably one of our greatest footballing rivals nationally.
It's like watching Palace win again and again as we fail again and again.
Can't ever forget Andres Mullers arrogant smile and pose after that winning pen in Euro 96 or Oliver Khan larging it to the England support during the last game at Wembley, thousands of them singing "your shit and you know you are" and mocking "footballs coming home" in perfect English at Wembley or how they revelled at our capitulation in South Africa or showered us with bottles in Berlin in 08 when we beat them in the friendly.
And talks about the Brazilians being cheats (which they are) - has everyone forgotten Klinsmann and co?
I'm no fan of Brazil but they don't even come close to Germany as rivals. But before someone says it - yes I do have a lot of respect for them, their football culture and what they achieve, but want them to win or enjoy their success? Not in a million years.
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Once England are out, I just enjoy the football (although Brazil have proper wound me up this tournament)
England need to follow the German model of play - stop relying on Gerrard, or Rooney, or the latest flavour of the month player to do all the work and play as a team. We don't have the individual talent of some teams, let's stop trying to play as if we do.
Of course when you look back at the building of Wembley... We could have asked a German or Australian company to build it, because we couldn't swallow our pride for building the Stadium we went and asked the Aussies to do it and it cost twice as much and took twice as long to build.
On the basis of Andres Muller and Oliver Khan you could quite easily add Portugal (Cristiano Ronaldo with his lil wink) in the same breath as Germany.
At the end of the day I know the England / Germany comes from the World Wars and the World Cup Final in 1966 but I've been to Germany far too often on my Holidays, the people are lovely and my own Uncle lives amongst them so just cant find hatred towards them (apart from when we're actually playing them and then I'll find that hatred for any team lol!)
Thought they played some great football last night and Brazil showed their lack of steel. Hope they win it.
I also don't get the "not rivals cos they're light years ahead of us" argument. I still want palace and millwall to lose no matter what their level is in comparison to us.
You're right about Ronaldo and he is the singular reason Portugal are so high up my 'hate' list these days, but he is just one man.
i've always thought that was brilliant , i respect a good pisstake and they certainly did there
I didn't want them to win last night but they were mustard so fairplay
luckily i don't know any Germans /Costa Ricans /Uruguayans or whoever to take the piss out of me unlike palace fans but it doesn't mean anything compared to when the scum pipe up , so our international embarrassment doesn't hurt as much as when Charlton fall behind our local rivals
In the Stadium though there were plastic screens between the fans stopping them from getting to us and at one point this huge German bloke came right over to the England fans and started abusing the hell out of us (before being forcibly ejected) so with all Football matches and teams you'll always get the nutcases who froth at the mouth when they see certain opposition.
Reminds me actually... After the game I remember looking over at the German section and there was this prat with a Palace cap on!!
Was more a point to highlight the rivalry between us.
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And I'd take NI out that list. Thought they were diff class at the games in 05.
Germany are a better team, the current German team is fairly likeable as well. Klinsmann's spell at Spurs certainly helped to mend bridges, and the majority of the German players who've come over here have all been likeable and decent people.
banta!
enjoyed watching them dismantle and humiliate the boys from Brasil.
pass & move and deadly on the counter attack.
love to see Charlton playing that way.
Not being funny, but if people get themselves worked up hating other nations and other nations football teams, then you can't have too many serious things in your life to worry about !
Even their fans are in a different league.
Are my German stretches to is; beer coffee and asparagus soup.
I'm definitely mellowing with age. Pretty much every ounce of 'hatred' in my body is reserved for everything surrounding a certain other football club. I don't have enough to go around elsewhere :-)
"Hope I don't here another commentator, pundit, presenter or armchair fan use the phrase 'ruthless german efficiency' again. They are playing football not building cars or invading mainland Europe"
Yeah we are rivals and always will be and nothing wrong in that but much of the reasoning behind any 'dislike' seems to me to be driven by jealousy and frustration that they have gone back to grass roots and clubs, the national team and the supporters are all singing from ze same hymn sheet when there's zero chance of us doing the same. Sad but true.
Just ordinary folks, just like me and you, warm and friendly - and liked a good laugh.
But then they were from the north, not far from the Dutch border. Becks was their local brew.
Their real rivalry was with the southern Germans, Bavaria, etc.
I'd never realised Germany had such an intense North/South divide!