Pakistan school attack
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Cant remember another religion in my lifetime inspiring so many people to commit horrific acts of murder. There may well be a huge proportion of Muslims who are peaceful but it certainly seems as though there's a significant propensity towards violence and oppression in their doctrine.
Cant get this incident out of my head.
And?Cordoban Addick said:I think an important thing to remember is that the vast majority of the victims of Muslim fundamentalists are Muslims.
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Apologies I thought that it was quite clear what my comment meant.Addicted said:Cant remember another religion in my lifetime inspiring so many people to commit horrific acts of murder. There may well be a huge proportion of Muslims who are peaceful but it certainly seems as though there's a significant propensity towards violence and oppression in their doctrine.
Cant get this incident out of my head.
And?Cordoban Addick said:I think an important thing to remember is that the vast majority of the victims of Muslim fundamentalists are Muslims.
This is not a case of Muslims killing non Muslims, but of fundamentalist supremacists who are killing anyone that does not conform to their world view.
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Beggers belief for once I was left speechless. These people are truely warped and deranged and what worries me is really in reality how do you stop them?1
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wasnt there 300 kids killed in a school siege in Chechnia(sic) a few years ago ? didnt 200 young girls get kidnapped in Nigeria (still missing) , havnt ISIS behead babies and kids of the smaller tribes in Syria-Iraq.
Its a perfect circle of evil----a totally and utterly warped interpretation of a religion, which in turn attracts scum and filth who are twisted , giving them some sort of justification (in their own minds) to do anything they want in the name of Allah.4 -
You are correct on all counts Goonerhater worrying isn't it!0
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But it is not a warped interpretation. It is a literal interpretation. The warped interpretation of Islam is by the people who want to live in the modern free secular world, enjoying the hard won freedoms and human rights won by those who fought against primitive religious tyranny over the last 250 years, and also enjoying the benefits of the huge technological, scientific and medical advances of the last 200 years ( which would not have been possible in an anti education Muslim world), but at the same time comfort themselves that they are still good muslims.Goonerhater said:----a totally and utterly warped interpretation of a religion, which in turn attracts scum and filth who are twisted , giving them some sort of justification (in their own minds) to do anything they want in the name of Allah.
The Islamic and Nazi doctrines are both equally evil. But because one is a world religion it has been allowed, aided by modern social media allowing the uneducated and dim witted to find each other, to spread like a cancer from the primitive world into the modern free secular world while the merest hint of the other (Nazism) attracts immediate and universal condemnation.2 -
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Absolutely. They can't even have a nativity scene displayed in a public place (much to the annoyance of Fox news) because it is against the constitution. I would say the majority of the population believe in God but live under a contitution which is largely based (and is the result of religious tyranny in Europe) on preventing any one religion imposing itself on society as a whole.1
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Having secularism so that religion plays no part in education is one thing but to suggest that the USA is truly secular is a nonsense isn't it ? We have every president and public official ending every speech or announcement with God bless America. The vast majority of Americans are religious. Secular in name only.2
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Agree, the vast majority of people in the USA are religious. The vast majority of the people living in Iran (or any Islamic country) are religious. I am an ardent vociferous athiest. In one country I would be tortured and beheaded by the state for voicing my athiest views. In the other the state would 100% protect my right to voice my athiest views. Both religious countries but one massive fundamental difference. One country is in the modern secular world and one isn't.
I suspect you want to get into a semantic debate about the meaning of the word 'secular'. But that is a completely different debate/topic which I have no time for at the moment.2 -
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ALL religion is a lie and complete bullshit.6
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Couldn't of put it better myself.AddickUpNorth said:ALL religion is a lie and complete bullshit.
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"Secular" does not mean "not-religous". It specifically means the state not being allied with or against any particular religion.ShootersHillGuru said:Having secularism so that religion plays no part in education is one thing but to suggest that the USA is truly secular is a nonsense isn't it ? We have every president and public official ending every speech or announcement with God bless America. The vast majority of Americans are religious. Secular in name only.
The USA is definately secular - there is no state religion. The UK is not even though its people are much less religious than Americans.
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The trouble is most of these campaigns/movements aren't to do religion at all. They might appear that way and are convenient, recruitment driving banners to fly under...but the real aim is power, control and wealth. Just like what `religions' were created for.3
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This doesn't strike me as particularly secular.3 -
Absolutely correct but I stick to my point that the USA is secular in name only. Any president of the USA would not be in office without towing the regious line demanded of him by the vast majority of the American people. I reiterate my point that practically every American politician uses the line "God bless America" explain how that can be divorced from politics and therefore the state ?Jints said:
"Secular" does not mean "not-religous". It specifically means the state not being allied with or against any particular religion.ShootersHillGuru said:Having secularism so that religion plays no part in education is one thing but to suggest that the USA is truly secular is a nonsense isn't it ? We have every president and public official ending every speech or announcement with God bless America. The vast majority of Americans are religious. Secular in name only.
The USA is definately secular - there is no state religion. The UK is not even though its people are much less religious than Americans.
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I don't think we disagree except that I think "secular" has a very specific meaning while your using it in a much broader (and technically incorrect) sense i.e. "not religious".
I agree the USA is a much more religious country than the UK and that's reflected in it politics. But its constitution only mentions God once ("in the year fo our Lord...). By contrast we, a much less religious country, have an established religion, a large number of state funded schools with admissions policies dictated by churches, bishops sitting in the legislature as of right etc.0 -
Yes I think I am looking at the "reality" of the situation rather than as you say technically correct definition of the word and the American constitution.Jints said:I don't think we disagree except that I think "secular" has a very specific meaning while your using it in a much broader (and technically incorrect) sense i.e. "not religious".
I agree the USA is a much more religious country than the UK and that's reflected in it politics. But its constitution only mentions God once ("in the year fo our Lord...). By contrast we, a much less religious country, have an established religion, a large number of state funded schools with admissions policies dictated by churches, bishops sitting in the legislature as of right etc.
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Sure, there are different aspect to it though.
Outside of the big American cities few people would admit to being an atheist. I'd find that pretty uncomfortable and weird.
That's why they are a religious country and we are not.
On the other hand, Americans don't allow religious organisation to determine which 5 year old kids get into taxpayer funded schools which I also find uncomfortable and weird.
That's why they are a secular country and we are not.0 -
seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
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I wonder how many of the people criticising the CIA for their torture methods have now changed their opinions. If this type of interrogation saves the life of just one poor child in my mind it's a job well done.1
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You'll find that the report from the Senate stated that the torture was not an effective way of gathering reliable information.happyvalley said:I wonder how many of the people criticising the CIA for their torture methods have now changed their opinions. If this type of interrogation saves the life of just one poor child in my mind it's a job well done.
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I highly doubt it has.happyvalley said:I wonder how many of the people criticising the CIA for their torture methods have now changed their opinions. If this type of interrogation saves the life of just one poor child in my mind it's a job well done.
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Just wanted to add my voice to the condemnation of this barbaric act.
Those poor innocent children.0 -
It's too horrific to comprehend, and you can bet your arse somewhere someone in this country of ours is celebrating this as a truly magnificent achievement
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How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?MrOneLung said:seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."0 -
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.shine166 said:
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?MrOneLung said:seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."0 -
Didn't Bush pray for guidance ?DaveMehmet said:
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.shine166 said:
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?MrOneLung said:seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
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