seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.
In my opinion what happened in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion, it was done to slow down the education of the next generation so a select few can continue their quest for power, using religion as cover.
seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.
In my opinion what happened in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion, it was done to slow down the education of the next generation so a select few can continue their quest for power, using religion as cover.
seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.
In my opinion what happened in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion, it was done to slow down the education of the next generation so a select few can continue their quest for power, using religion as cover.
There is some truth in that. The uneducated will fall for the medieval brand of religion being sold ensuring that power is attained/retained.
Religion is total bollocks and responsible for more deaths in history than we could ever comprehend.
All religions have their lunatics but Islam seems to be a breeding ground for so many incredibly warped individuals. My brain is still trying to process the fact humans can slaughter so many children and in the name of their religion. I have a horrible feeling these horrific attacks and the 'lone wolf' incidents will only continue and I have no idea how the civilised world can prevent it. When you have 15 year olds wanting to leave the relative safety of the UK to fight in Syria it proves what a long and frankly frightening road we have ahead.
Religion is total bollocks and responsible for more deaths in history than we could ever comprehend.
All religions have their lunatics but Islam seems to be a breeding ground for so many incredibly warped individuals. My brain is still trying to process the fact humans can slaughter so many children and in the name of their religion. I have a horrible feeling these horrific attacks and the 'lone wolf' incidents will only continue and I have no idea how the civilised world can prevent it. When you have 15 year olds wanting to leave the relative safety of the UK to fight in Syria it proves what a long and frankly frightening road we have ahead.
The civilised world will prevail, although probably not in our lifetime. As Bill Maher said Western Liberalism is better, but it wasn't something that was formed overnight, it takes time to grow.
Quite often it's the case that society take two steps forward and one step back, but each step in this process can last years, even decades. Right now I believe, with the rise of fanatical Islamic extremism we are seeing a regression in certain countries paths towards more tolerant and Liberal societies, however you can argue that in the past people claimed that peace in Ireland would never be possible. Hell people were probably saying that there will never be peace between Britain and France back in the 1400s.
What we as a nation need to do is remain tolerant and non-violent (where possible) and set an example for others to follow, we mustn't allow ourselves to sink to the level of these extremists or we will only add fire to their cause, and set the road to peaceful, tolerant a liberal society back tens, possibly hundreds of years.
seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.
In my opinion what happened in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion, it was done to slow down the education of the next generation so a select few can continue their quest for power, using religion as cover.
There is some truth in that. The uneducated will fall for the medieval brand of religion being sold ensuring that power is attained/retained.
Exactly and I believe those doing the selling have little interest in the religion, it's just a form of control. Just like Christian churches when most of us couldn't read and write. Sadly these guys are a little more violent.
It is my view by committing these absolute atrocities they are hastening their own end. Much like the IRA when they bombed Omagh they lost their support base because people were utterly revolted and eventually it lead to an end as they had lost all credibility. The Taliban can now expect to be crushed in Pakistan by the government and rightly so, I for one will be cheering them on. It may take a long time but eventually the world will become sick of acts like this when people realise the futility of it all. How long is any ones guess.
Religion is total bollocks and responsible for more deaths in history than we could ever comprehend.
All religions have their lunatics but Islam seems to be a breeding ground for so many incredibly warped individuals. My brain is still trying to process the fact humans can slaughter so many children and in the name of their religion. I have a horrible feeling these horrific attacks and the 'lone wolf' incidents will only continue and I have no idea how the civilised world can prevent it. When you have 15 year olds wanting to leave the relative safety of the UK to fight in Syria it proves what a long and frankly frightening road we have ahead.
seems like US policy pretty much driven by religious intervention
George W Bush:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
How many Christians had to come out and speak against bush in honour of the 1000s of innocent people killed by bushs antics ?
Whatever Bush did, it wasn't in the name of religion.
In my opinion what happened in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion, it was done to slow down the education of the next generation so a select few can continue their quest for power, using religion as cover.
There is some truth in that. The uneducated will fall for the medieval brand of religion being sold ensuring that power is attained/retained.
Exactly and I believe those doing the selling have little interest in the religion, it's just a form of control. Just like Christian churches when most of us couldn't read and write. Sadly these guys are a little more violent.
And what better way to win the hearts and minds of an uneducated population than to ride on the coat tails of a popular movement/respected individuals, particularly in areas where the current rulers are hated. When the power is won those people can be side lined/removed/retired and the real power wielders can take over without a need for a real ideology.
Without looking anything up I am certain most "popular" uprisings have followed this path. The Russian revolution, Zimbabwe and Saddam Hussein spring to mind.
Never seen any credibility in this argument. Are you saying the people behind the revolution in Iran in 1979 were using Islam as a cover? That the real power in Iran ever since has not been senior religious figures but puppets controlled by some secret dark non religious group in the back ground?
Never seen any credibility in this argument. Are you saying the people behind the revolution in Iran in 1979 were using Islam as a cover? That the real power in Iran ever since has not been senior religious figures but puppets controlled by some secret dark non religious group in the back ground?
I don't know enough to state or say anything as I am not one of those people. But I think history has enough examples that suggest that once a revolution has been won the ideals behind it can often be lost when a new leadership takes over. The new leaders might say they still believe X (religion/philosophy) because it is expedient for them to say so but they don't act like it.
I don't know enough about Iran but are the people pulling the strings now truly reflecting what the revolution fought and died for in the late '70s or are they just desperately clinging to power?
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In my opinion what happened in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion, it was done to slow down the education of the next generation so a select few can continue their quest for power, using religion as cover.
There is some truth in that. The uneducated will fall for the medieval brand of religion being sold ensuring that power is attained/retained.
All religions have their lunatics but Islam seems to be a breeding ground for so many incredibly warped individuals. My brain is still trying to process the fact humans can slaughter so many children and in the name of their religion. I have a horrible feeling these horrific attacks and the 'lone wolf' incidents will only continue and I have no idea how the civilised world can prevent it. When you have 15 year olds wanting to leave the relative safety of the UK to fight in Syria it proves what a long and frankly frightening road we have ahead.
Quite often it's the case that society take two steps forward and one step back, but each step in this process can last years, even decades. Right now I believe, with the rise of fanatical Islamic extremism we are seeing a regression in certain countries paths towards more tolerant and Liberal societies, however you can argue that in the past people claimed that peace in Ireland would never be possible. Hell people were probably saying that there will never be peace between Britain and France back in the 1400s.
What we as a nation need to do is remain tolerant and non-violent (where possible) and set an example for others to follow, we mustn't allow ourselves to sink to the level of these extremists or we will only add fire to their cause, and set the road to peaceful, tolerant a liberal society back tens, possibly hundreds of years.
Without looking anything up I am certain most "popular" uprisings have followed this path. The Russian revolution, Zimbabwe and Saddam Hussein spring to mind.
I don't know enough about Iran but are the people pulling the strings now truly reflecting what the revolution fought and died for in the late '70s or are they just desperately clinging to power?