Best thing the FA could do is revisit the way TV money is shared between all football clubs. It costs a lot for clubs to run academies and sell on fees have collapsed since the Premiership took all bar a few crumbs of the TV money pie. No surprise that less players are being developed in the lower divisions and it certainly won't be EU/non EU players that are destroying the grass roots. The FA destroyed English football when it forced the FL into allowing the Premiership to come into existence.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the FA have any say in the way TV money is distributed in the PL or FL.
Best thing the FA could do is revisit the way TV money is shared between all football clubs. It costs a lot for clubs to run academies and sell on fees have collapsed since the Premiership took all bar a few crumbs of the TV money pie. No surprise that less players are being developed in the lower divisions and it certainly won't be EU/non EU players that are destroying the grass roots. The FA destroyed English football when it forced the FL into allowing the Premiership to come into existence.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the FA have any say in the way TV money is distributed in the PL or FL.
Says it all!
The managing director of London Weekend Television (LWT), Greg Dyke, met with the representatives of the "big five"[15][16] football clubs in England in 1990. The meeting was to pave the way for a break away from The Football League. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for LWT if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money. The five clubs decided it was a good idea and decided to press ahead with it; however, the league would have no credibility without the backing of The Football Association and so David Dein of Arsenal held talks to see whether the FA were receptive to the idea. The FA did not enjoy an amicable relationship with the Football League at the time and considered it as a way to weaken the Football League's position.
Best thing the FA could do is revisit the way TV money is shared between all football clubs. It costs a lot for clubs to run academies and sell on fees have collapsed since the Premiership took all bar a few crumbs of the TV money pie. No surprise that less players are being developed in the lower divisions and it certainly won't be EU/non EU players that are destroying the grass roots. The FA destroyed English football when it forced the FL into allowing the Premiership to come into existence.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the FA have any say in the way TV money is distributed in the PL or FL.
Says it all!
The managing director of London Weekend Television (LWT), Greg Dyke, met with the representatives of the "big five"[15][16] football clubs in England in 1990. The meeting was to pave the way for a break away from The Football League. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for LWT if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money. The five clubs decided it was a good idea and decided to press ahead with it; however, the league would have no credibility without the backing of The Football Association and so David Dein of Arsenal held talks to see whether the FA were receptive to the idea. The FA did not enjoy an amicable relationship with the Football League at the time and considered it as a way to weaken the Football League's position.
Just more window dressing and pandering to "too many foreigners ruining the game" remarks.
The proposals would make little difference other than encouraging the big clubs to poach English players at an even earlier age to meet the new rules.
Any more radical solution would mean taking some power and money away from the "elite" clubs so will never happen.
Use the Sky money to fund a top class academy in every town and city in the country regardless of who the local club is or there status. So Yeovil, Hartlepool, etc etc have the best facilities.
Pay for the training of 10s of 1000s of coaches in schools, local clubs etc and dictate the training of basic skills like passing and movement at all levels. And get some coaches in from other successful sports ie not rugger, like cycling to look at organisation, fitness, diet, to give English players another 1 or 2%
Stop praising "passion" (Stuart Pearce) over tactics
Stop blaming overseas players. They are the symptom not the disease
Taking youth and U16, U18, U21 international tournaments seriously. Make players go and especially make them go instead of playing friendlies for the full England team
Think long term. Don't change policy every four years to copy whoever won the the world cup. Expect it to take 12 years at least to see change not one season or one tournament.
Just more window dressing and pandering to "too many foreigners ruining the game" remarks.
The proposals would make little difference other than encouraging the big clubs to poach English players at an even earlier age to meet the new rules.
Any more radical solution would mean taking some power and money away from the "elite" clubs so will never happen.
Use the Sky money to fund a top class academy in every town and city in the country regardless of who the local club is or there status. So Yeovil, Hartlepool, etc etc have the best facilities.
Pay for the training of 10s of 1000s of coaches in schools, local clubs etc and dictate the training of basic skills like passing and movement at all levels. And get some coaches in from other successful sports ie not rugger, like cycling to look at organisation, fitness, diet, to give English players another 1 or 2%
Stop praising "passion" (Stuart Pearce) over tactics
Stop blaming overseas players. They are the symptom not the disease
Taking youth and U16, U18, U21 international tournaments seriously. Make players go and especially make them go instead of playing friendlies for the full England team
Think long term. Don't change policy every four years to copy whoever won the the world cup. Expect it to take 12 years at least to see change not one season or one tournament.
There have been very few youngsters at big PL clubs who can genuinely say that they have been prevented from playing because of foreign players, as if they were good enough they would be in the team.
Or, why not got abroad yourself. Go to a club in Europe playing in the Champions League and make a name for yourself. Go to France or Portugal, counties where good talent will be spotted and signed by the European giants.
Best thing the FA could do is revisit the way TV money is shared between all football clubs. It costs a lot for clubs to run academies and sell on fees have collapsed since the Premiership took all bar a few crumbs of the TV money pie. No surprise that less players are being developed in the lower divisions and it certainly won't be EU/non EU players that are destroying the grass roots. The FA destroyed English football when it forced the FL into allowing the Premiership to come into existence.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the FA have any say in the way TV money is distributed in the PL or FL.
Says it all!
The managing director of London Weekend Television (LWT), Greg Dyke, met with the representatives of the "big five"[15][16] football clubs in England in 1990. The meeting was to pave the way for a break away from The Football League. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for LWT if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money. The five clubs decided it was a good idea and decided to press ahead with it; however, the league would have no credibility without the backing of The Football Association and so David Dein of Arsenal held talks to see whether the FA were receptive to the idea. The FA did not enjoy an amicable relationship with the Football League at the time and considered it as a way to weaken the Football League's position.
This will not happen. The PL and Sky sport will stop it, also tried in cricket and we had the bosman ruling to deal with must be the same with football. All thta happend is a lot of South Africans found they had Italian or Portugese grand parent or just seemed to get passports and work permits from other EU countries.
There is an excellent chapter in Soccernomics about how countries who limit foreign players hinders rather than helps a national team. It's the only thing I've read which is backed up by substantial evidence. If you can get your hands on a copy I thoroughly recommend you read it as I will not do it justice.
The theory behind it is that if you reduce the pool of players teams can select from you in turn reduce the quality of that league, this subsequently means the English players who are playing in the league are playing a lower standard of football. This won't happen immediately, the EPL still retains a huge amount of prestige in the global game, but slowly it will decrease and the income that comes in from supporters of the league abroad will start to move to those leagues deemed more appealing which only serves to further decrease the quality.
On a separate point the academy structure in our league develops players who are more suited to a robust and physical game. This means that the players that come through are suited to the style of football played in the EPL and FL, but struggle in the international game which tends to be played at a lower tempo, and where being a strong and physical presence on a football field can be a hindrance in international football. A good example is Gareth Bale, a player tailored made for the Premier League due to his pace, power and agility, but has been struggling in La Liga (that's not to say he's not able to adapt his style of play in the long run). Also take the example of Fabien Delph, who tried to play exactly the same game in and England shirt as he does in a Villa shirt and ended up looking like a bit of a donkey.
Effectively I believe that we need to readdress how we coach players from a young age so that they not only have the footballing intelligence to adapt their style of play based upon where they are playing, but also to make them a more attractive prospect to clubs overseas. If the English national side has a network of talent playing across Europe, as well as a core group of players competing at the top level of English football we may have a chance of seeing a World Cup in our life time. I fear this is yet another quick fix by the FA which will continue to see us left behind by the rest of the footballing world on an international stage.
This is the issue. Unfortunately, it feels pretty hopless to me as the wrong things are valued at grass roots level and you can change what you like, but the dinosaurs coaching youngsters five years ago are still coaching them now. They are not just going to stop. Work rate, effort, passion, passion......skill......what's that?
Has anyone noticed whether the lack of decent English talent breaking through into the first teams of EPL squads coincided with UEFA scrapping the rule about the maximum number of foreign players a team could name in a matchday squad in UEFA competitions. It's not just England this has affected as Scotland now has hardly any players worth talking about.
True, Man Utd and the rest were signing top foreign talent but they were also encouraging some of the best players the modern England team has seen as they couldn't rely on international players for the UEFA games as they needed a minimum number of domestic players. The rule would no longer be allowed in its old format due to EU law but changing it from 'domestic nationality' to 'homegrown', ie that player must graduate through an English academy, even if they don't go on to declare their nationality for the England squad.
This will not happen. The PL and Sky sport will stop it, also tried in cricket and we had the bosman ruling to deal with must be the same with football. All thta happend is a lot of South Africans found they had Italian or Portuguese grand parent or just seemed to get passports and work permits from other EU countries.
Either that or clubs will just do what Arsenal did a few years ago with Beveren in Belgium... The latter will be turned into a feeder club so that if Arsenal spot a player frthey want to sign they just send them straight to Belgium, once they've been there a year or two (and once they've gained Belgian citizenship) they can then come over to England if they're good enough or just be discarded as normal
Has anyone noticed whether the lack of decent English talent breaking through into the first teams of EPL squads coincided with UEFA scrapping the rule about the maximum number of foreign players a team could name in a matchday squad in UEFA competitions. It's not just England this has affected as Scotland now has hardly any players worth talking about.
True, Man Utd and the rest were signing top foreign talent but they were also encouraging some of the best players the modern England team has seen as they couldn't rely on international players for the UEFA games as they needed a minimum number of domestic players. The rule would no longer be allowed in its old format due to EU law but changing it from 'domestic nationality' to 'homegrown', ie that player must graduate through an English academy, even if they don't go on to declare their nationality for the England squad.
However other countries e.g. Spain & Germany, haven't suffered in the same way. That may be because the money in those leagues and the prospects of a player building up a global profile aren't as significant as they are in the EPL (although you could argue that's not the case with players at clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern) so it saw a greater influx of foreign players into the EPL.
Personally I think it's because they invested and developed coaching young talent from an early age, so they had the quality in place to make homegrown players more attractive to clubs regardless of the rules that are in place because they could compete with the best. As mentioned earlier, our talent pool isn't any worse than others countries, but the way we nurture talent is.
Just more window dressing and pandering to "too many foreigners ruining the game" remarks.
The proposals would make little difference other than encouraging the big clubs to poach English players at an even earlier age to meet the new rules.
Any more radical solution would mean taking some power and money away from the "elite" clubs so will never happen
Use the Sky money to fund a top class academy in every town and city in the country regardless of who the local club is or there status. So Yeovil, Hartlepool, etc etc have the best facilities.
Pay for the training of 10s of 1000s of coaches in schools, local clubs etc and dictate the training of basic skills like passing and movement at all levels. And get some coaches in from other successful sports ie not rugger, like cycling to look at organisation, fitness, diet, to give English players another 1 or 2%
Stop praising "passion" (Stuart Pearce) over tactics
Stop blaming overseas players. They are the symptom not the disease
Taking youth and U16, U18, U21 international tournaments seriously. Make players go and especially make them go instead of playing friendlies for the full England team
Think long term. Don't change policy every four years to copy whoever won the the world cup. Expect it to take 12 years at least to see change not one season or one tournament.
Cracking post courtesy of the rights holder to 'bumpy ride' TM......
Has anyone noticed whether the lack of decent English talent breaking through into the first teams of EPL squads coincided with UEFA scrapping the rule about the maximum number of foreign players a team could name in a matchday squad in UEFA competitions. It's not just England this has affected as Scotland now has hardly any players worth talking about.
True, Man Utd and the rest were signing top foreign talent but they were also encouraging some of the best players the modern England team has seen as they couldn't rely on international players for the UEFA games as they needed a minimum number of domestic players. The rule would no longer be allowed in its old format due to EU law but changing it from 'domestic nationality' to 'homegrown', ie that player must graduate through an English academy, even if they don't go on to declare their nationality for the England squad.
However other countries e.g. Spain & Germany, haven't suffered in the same way. That may be because the money in those leagues and the prospects of a player building up a global profile aren't as significant as they are in the EPL (although you could argue that's not the case with players at clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern) so it saw a greater influx of foreign players into the EPL.
Personally I think it's because they invested and developed coaching young talent from an early age, so they had the quality in place to make homegrown players more attractive to clubs regardless of the rules that are in place because they could compete with the best. As mentioned earlier, our talent pool isn't any worse than others countries, but the way we nurture talent is.
I agree, this backs up my statement as there is no incentive for the top clubs to help young talent break through into the first team. Look at Chelsea with the dozens of youngsters they've got on loan all over the joint but who will never get a decent look in at the squad. Look at Scott Parker, who was playing some of the best football of his life in our first team then pissed his career away on Chelsea's bench since it suited them to have an English player playing second fiddle to the rest of their star-studded line up (who admittedly included the likes of Lampard so was not entirely foreign).
Has anyone noticed whether the lack of decent English talent breaking through into the first teams of EPL squads coincided with UEFA scrapping the rule about the maximum number of foreign players a team could name in a matchday squad in UEFA competitions. It's not just England this has affected as Scotland now has hardly any players worth talking about.
True, Man Utd and the rest were signing top foreign talent but they were also encouraging some of the best players the modern England team has seen as they couldn't rely on international players for the UEFA games as they needed a minimum number of domestic players. The rule would no longer be allowed in its old format due to EU law but changing it from 'domestic nationality' to 'homegrown', ie that player must graduate through an English academy, even if they don't go on to declare their nationality for the England squad.
However other countries e.g. Spain & Germany, haven't suffered in the same way. That may be because the money in those leagues and the prospects of a player building up a global profile aren't as significant as they are in the EPL (although you could argue that's not the case with players at clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern) so it saw a greater influx of foreign players into the EPL.
Personally I think it's because they invested and developed coaching young talent from an early age, so they had the quality in place to make homegrown players more attractive to clubs regardless of the rules that are in place because they could compete with the best. As mentioned earlier, our talent pool isn't any worse than others countries, but the way we nurture talent is.
I agree, this backs up my statement as there is no incentive for the top clubs to help young talent break through into the first team. Look at Chelsea with the dozens of youngsters they've got on loan all over the joint but who will never get a decent look in at the squad. Look at Scott Parker, who was playing some of the best football of his life in our first team then pissed his career away on Chelsea's bench since it suited them to have an English player playing second fiddle to the rest of their star-studded line up (who admittedly included the likes of Lampard so was not entirely foreign).
Chelsea at the time would have had the likes of Joe Cole, Lampard and SWP in their squad, plus Terry and Bridge/Ashley Cole at LB. Damien Duff as well (if you include Irish as British, which I know they're not, but Irish players have always played in England)
They need to implement some kind of rule where a certain number of home grown players are named in the 18 man squad. They done it for the JPT but what's the point in that?
They need to implement some kind of rule where a certain number of home grown players are named in the 18 man squad. They done it for the JPT but what's the point in that?
Because in 6 years time that's where all of the players in the England squad will be playing.
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The proposals would make little difference other than encouraging the big clubs to poach English players at an even earlier age to meet the new rules.
Any more radical solution would mean taking some power and money away from the "elite" clubs so will never happen.
Use the Sky money to fund a top class academy in every town and city in the country regardless of who the local club is or there status. So Yeovil, Hartlepool, etc etc have the best facilities.
Pay for the training of 10s of 1000s of coaches in schools, local clubs etc and dictate the training of basic skills like passing and movement at all levels. And get some coaches in from other successful sports ie not rugger, like cycling to look at organisation, fitness, diet, to give English players another 1 or 2%
Stop praising "passion" (Stuart Pearce) over tactics
Stop blaming overseas players. They are the symptom not the disease
Taking youth and U16, U18, U21 international tournaments seriously. Make players go and especially make them go instead of playing friendlies for the full England team
Think long term. Don't change policy every four years to copy whoever won the the world cup. Expect it to take 12 years at least to see change not one season or one tournament.
Or, why not got abroad yourself. Go to a club in Europe playing in the Champions League and make a name for yourself. Go to France or Portugal, counties where good talent will be spotted and signed by the European giants.
Us english are strong, very stiff people.
Let the Spanish, and Italians tap it about with their beautiful hair.
Let the Germans be very efficient with the ball.
But we should just stick to rugby.
Yeah, I can confirm, we do.
True, Man Utd and the rest were signing top foreign talent but they were also encouraging some of the best players the modern England team has seen as they couldn't rely on international players for the UEFA games as they needed a minimum number of domestic players. The rule would no longer be allowed in its old format due to EU law but changing it from 'domestic nationality' to 'homegrown', ie that player must graduate through an English academy, even if they don't go on to declare their nationality for the England squad.
(With apologies to @JessieAddick!)
Personally I think it's because they invested and developed coaching young talent from an early age, so they had the quality in place to make homegrown players more attractive to clubs regardless of the rules that are in place because they could compete with the best. As mentioned earlier, our talent pool isn't any worse than others countries, but the way we nurture talent is.