Hillary Clinton

A-R-T-H-U-R

Good news for the world or another false dawn like Obama has proved to be?

se9addick

If American politics remains so polarised it doesn't really matter who's president.

The Red Robin

The alternative is likely to be Jeb Bush. So on that basis, it can only be a good thing.

McBobbin

Not being George W bush was good for the world. Enough for the Nobel Peace Prize even. Not sure if Jeb will be as shit as his brother... Its hard to know how it will affect us tbh.

Lincsaddick

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

Red_in_SE8

Lincsaddick said:

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

Think you have being watching too much of Fox News.

Lincsaddick

Red_in_SE8 said:

Lincsaddick said:

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

Think you have being watching too much of Fox News.

you think wrong .. never have watched it ..

Addicted

Figureheads don't make decisions so it really doesn't matter.

Boom

would.

Kap10

American politics is very different form here, whilst the President is the most powerful man in the world, domestically at least he /.
she can be powerless against Congress and the senate as it stands today.

Bush or Clinton any day it has to be Clinton. Obama over promised and could never meet the expectations of the electorate but free healthcare will forever be his positive legacy.

Algarveaddick

Lincsaddick said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Lincsaddick said:

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

Think you have being watching too much of Fox News.

you think wrong .. never have watched it ..

You should Lincs, you and FN were made for each other...

Lincsaddick

Algarveaddick said:

Lincsaddick said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Lincsaddick said:

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

Think you have being watching too much of Fox News.

you think wrong .. never have watched it ..

You should Lincs, you and FN were made for each other...

I like it when people criticise others opinions but appear not to have the grit to let their own be known .. you @Algarveaddick and others must watch a lot of 'fox news' to consider that I should join you as a regular viewer .. what is your opinion of the aged battleaxe Mrs Clinton ?

cafcfan

You never see Hillary Clinton and Ed Miliband in the same place at the same time do you? It's the eyebrows, just saying...

Lincsaddick

Kap10 said:

American politics is very different form here, whilst the President is the most powerful man in the world, domestically at least he /.
she can be powerless against Congress and the senate as it stands today.

Bush or Clinton any day it has to be Clinton. Obama over promised and could never meet the expectations of the electorate but free healthcare will forever be his positive legacy.

you really should read up on Obamacare .. it's neither free nor is it ever going to be applied right across the USA .. many states are doing all they can to have the legislation either repealed or watered down to be virtually unworkable

nth_london_addick

I find it hard enough to understand what party in charge is better for the uk let alone the usa,

Is she in layman terms like a tory, labour, lib dem, green or ukip

Algarveaddick

nth london addick said:

I find it hard enough to understand what party in charge is better for the uk let alone the usa,

Is she in layman terms like a tory, labour, lib dem, green or ukip

Lincs don't like her, have a guess mate...

Algarveaddick

Lincsaddick said:

Algarveaddick said:

Lincsaddick said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Lincsaddick said:

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

Think you have being watching too much of Fox News.

you think wrong .. never have watched it ..

You should Lincs, you and FN were made for each other...

I like it when people criticise others opinions but appear not to have the grit to let their own be known .. you @Algarveaddick and others must watch a lot of 'fox news' to consider that I should join you as a regular viewer .. what is your opinion of the aged battleaxe Mrs Clinton ?

I was attempting to inject a little humour into the discussion. Hence the smiley face, but as you seem to have your aggressive head on today, perhaps you should give us your actual opinion rather than surround your statement with innuendo and barbed, quite nasty comments with no real substance to them - her husband lied, what has that to do with her? A 'civil servant' - not an elected official, or a lawyer or a company director or "the First Lady" or any of the other jobs she has actually done? But a 'civil servant' - or 'a battleaxe' or in fact an 'aged' battleaxe - why not blame her for getting old, the bastard, how dare she add a year to her age every twelve months! "So called" minorities - what would your term be? "alternative majority" perhaps? This is what Fox News does all the time twist and spins things, and hurls insults to suit their view of the world, hence myself and others thinking that you belong with each other...

Riviera

It would be a remarkable achievement for her to become President after nearly being killed as she dodged a hail of bulletts as she got off a plane in Bosnia.......

Uboat

The alternative is likely to have no grasp of reality and be a danger to mankind, so she would get my vote by default.

Mendonca In Asdas

Is she the best person for the gig?

McBobbin

Mendonca In Asdas said:

Is she the best person for the gig?

Probably not, as I doubt the best person for the job will even be standing. Or a politician.

limeygent

The Red Robin said:

The alternative is likely to be Jeb Bush. So on that basis, it can only be a good thing.

It'll never be Jeb Bush.

limeygent

Lincsaddick said:

the wife of a lying ex-president who somehow retains the 'love and affection' of the US public .. she's been a 'civil servant' for the past thirty years, a Washington insider well used to the compromise necessary in what the Americans call pork barrel politics .. she'll do well as a chattering, rabble rousing president for the so called 'minorities' but in reality will not change the lot of the American people one iota

She has too much of her own baggage to get elected.

limeygent

Kap10 said:

American politics is very different form here, whilst the President is the most powerful man in the world, domestically at least he /.
she can be powerless against Congress and the senate as it stands today.

Bush or Clinton any day it has to be Clinton. Obama over promised and could never meet the expectations of the electorate but free healthcare will forever be his positive legacy.

All well and good, but now more people have NO healthcare than ever.

Man_About_Town

Clinton will be a good President, following on from some good work by Obama.

kentaddick

Man_About_Town said:

Clinton will be a good President, following on from some good work by Obama.

Obama has basically done diddly squat. He has had terrible approval ratings for much of his presidency. The only reason he was reelected is because the GOP candidate was religious nutcase moron.

Personally don't see her age as an issue, think she's still young enough to see out a term at least.

A-R-T-H-U-R

What;s the view of Obama in the states from you guys on the other side of the pond?

Ormiston_Addick

kentaddick said:

Man_About_Town said:

Clinton will be a good President, following on from some good work by Obama.

Obama has basically done diddly squat. He has had terrible approval ratings for much of his presidency. The only reason he was reelected is because the GOP candidate was religious nutcase moron.

Personally don't see her age as an issue, think she's still young enough to see out a term at least.

Obama has basically done diddly squat? In the words of the late, great Christopher Hitchens I have to ask if you can possibly be even remotely serious?

Let's get this right, the Conservatives in the UK - like you - are claiming Cameron should be re-elected because he has engineered an economic recovery in the UK. Correct? I would actually be pretty supportive of that view myself.

Well, the funny thing is that Obama has engineered an far, far stronger economic recovery - from a much worse economic position (largely created by his conservative predecessor - he's the retarded fuckwit that became the first global leader in modern history to launch two expensive wars and then actually CUT taxes) - and you're saying he's done diddly squat? Righto.

So, Cameron gets a tick for the economic recovery in the UK but Obama has done 'diddly squat' in America? Right, got it.

Oh, that's without mentioning Obama becoming the first President to pass serious healthcare reform - something that has eluded every US President since Richard Nixon. Oh, and the Obamacare plan he brought in was modeled on a healthcare plan first drawn up by John Chafee and Bob Dole - both Republican Congressmen in the 1990s.

That's before we even get to his negotiation of foreign policy - where he was left another disgraceful mess by the smirking chimp that preceded him - where he has largely extracted the US from Afghanistan and Iraq (neither of which are remotely salvageable anyway, thanks again to the alcoholic coke-head who was in before him).

If you've been watching the news recently you might have seen that he's also on the verge of a nuclear deal with Iran - despite the despicable antics of that filthy pig Netanyahu and his fellow neo-con travelers - and is now on the path to normalizing relations with Cuba for the first time in 50 years - and you call that diddly-squat? Really?

The funny thing is that Cameron and Obama are actually very similar politically, Cameron's moderate conservative stance would place him well within the modern Democratic Party and he would have no chance in hell of being accepted into the modern Republican Party and yet people are so attached to their preconceived ideas of party labels that they refuse to give people not on 'their' team any credit.

limeygent

Obama has slowed the economic recovery with Obamacare. fewer people have health insurance now than had it before. Obamacare is the cause of the slow economic recovery, anybody who says different has not seen it's daily effects first hand as I have.
For instance, a married couple with no kids, in their thirties and in good health, have to pay a premium of around 1200 - 1500 dollars a month in premiums, approximately the same as before, but now their deductible, per annum, before insurance pays for anything, is 10,000 dollars! People who previously had no insurance can't afford this any more than they could have before. Now, if they don't buy Obamacare they are fined.
When people go on the Obamacare web-site, they have to "sign-up" as they go into the site, if they then see that they can't afford the insurance and bail out, they are counted as "signed up", to make the numbers look better. It's a total farce.
As for the foreign policies of this administration, we are all in more danger than we were when they took over.

A-R-T-H-U-R

limeygent said:

Obama has slowed the economic recovery with Obamacare. fewer people have health insurance now than had it before. Obamacare is the cause of the slow economic recovery, anybody who says different has not seen it's daily effects first hand as I have.
For instance, a married couple with no kids, in their thirties and in good health, have to pay a premium of around 1200 - 1500 dollars a month in premiums, approximately the same as before, but now their deductible, per annum, before insurance pays for anything, is 10,000 dollars! People who previously had no insurance can't afford this any more than they could have before. Now, if they don't buy Obamacare they are fined.
When people go on the Obamacare web-site, they have to "sign-up" as they go into the site, if they then see that they can't afford the insurance and bail out, they are counted as "signed up", to make the numbers look better. It's a total farce.
As for the foreign policies of this administration, we are all in more danger than we were when they took over.

Thanks for your informed insight Limeygent.
More insights?

limeygent

An interesting candidate on the Republican side, Marco Rubio, announced his candidacy yesterday. If he can win the Republican nomination he can beat Hilary.