How you get the big fees from a big club is around competition. They will of course try to stitch a smaller club up, but if they rate a player and so does a rival they are more likely to pay top dollar. I would say £10 -£12m isn't that big a gamble on a player like Joe. As for the will we get the money question - well it depends on the ambition of Duchatelet. If we want to maximise income we are best not to sell him now, but there are massive riches to be had by getting to the Premiership and it is about seeing the opportunity to go for them in a way that is funded by one player. If you have players lined up who will increase in value, you could even win on the deal not taking prize money into account.
Enjoyed watching him develop this season. A Rolls Royce of a player. I don't expect him to be here next season - unless he's level headed enough to stay and play first team football, rather than disappear into a big clubs development squad.
I wonder if I am alone in believing that we have the most numerous and exciting crop of young players coming through in a generation. Whatever their destiny at Charlton (and there are at the very least three who seem like certainties), there are a lot of young lads who will make a good living as professional footballers emerging in South East London just now. One of the reasons I would prefer to play academy products than iffy or creaking old pros, I know a balance is ideal, but in a thirst for signings, always remember the way forward for the young players ought not to be blocked.
We are owned by a bloke so rich that rather than selling Gomez for £10M and taking a punt, why not take a £10M investment punt on the basis that next summer if it fails, he sells Gomez and recoups and if it wins, we still own Gomez in the EPL. Surely a better business punt?
If he goes, let him go to Chelsea and take him, Solanke, Rubun-Cheek and Palmer back on loan plus £10-12M.
No, not at all, but I put forward what I thought was a fair summery of what I thought would be most likely to happen and it was suggested that I was wrong with all of it.
I merely expanded and tried to explain why I believed what I had originally said.
All football fans over value their own players, and those from their youth set up even more. I do believe that our current Chairman can hold out for a 'King's ransom' due to his wealth - especially when the player is under contract for a number of years, but I just don't see a top side being bullied and even if they are (which I accept could happen, all be it that I don't think, personally, it will) they would never loan him back to us, as a matter of principle.
Realistically a top side would sign him and if they loaned him out at all it would be to a lower Premier League side.
I might remind those on here hat last summer (and the summer before) they were valuing Chris Solly at £5m. A player that doesn't seem able to play twice a week. Those same fans thought Shelvey was a world beater but we sold him for £1.7m three years before Liverpool sold him for three times that sum. Also, remember that we sold him a couple of games (plus the playoffs) before the end of a season when we could have won automatic promotion but there was no mention of him playing two or three more games for us.
I completely understand why we, as Charlton fans, would want to sell him for close to what our club sold for fifteen months ago, and then keep him for another year when his wages are likely to be close to half of the first team added together, but I don't think it will happen.
I thought that after being told I was completely wrong I should explain the reasons behind my thoughts. If people still think I'm wrong then fair enough, but at least they have, now, made an informed decision with the benefit of why I came up with my view.
Personally, I hope he stays, next summer would be the best time to sell him, assuming we don't go up, and I'd love to get him back on loan if he does go, but I just can't see it, personally.
@seth plum The contrast between now and 12 months ago could not be clearer. Last year Poyet went across the Thames for statutory compensation after refusing a new deal whereas this summer we have Gomez and several others who could all command a significant fee.
I won't speculate on the amounts offered nor acceptable as we are in a very new scenario: increased FAPL media deal coming up, increased FFP loss limits and an owner with deep pockets who knows how to sell players.
I'm not sure why people think any sales proceeds might be "trousered" since loans into the club are running at about £10-12m a season to cover losses, player acquisition and paying off debts. No disrespect to those making such comments on here as this is simply a symptom of a lack of clear narrative from the board.
More and more whispers are suggesting that we might have a crack at the top six next time. We saw how to get there under Peeters last September / October, but staying there is very different challenge - just ask Forest, Derby and Wigan! The point is that other threads are dedicated to what it might take but as per the OP, Gomez departure might be the key to a sustainable push upwards?
And if you're worried about our ability to attract quality recruits? Well we are in a far better place than last May and the player acquisition here and at Liege last summer proved that the board can attract players of the right calibre. We now have a decent pitch, coach and track record.
Of course the narrative has not been explicit nor continuous but I went out on a limb last summer to state our clubs strategy was youth... Play them, coach them, buy them, sell them! Cousins, Fox, Vetokele, Pope, Gudmundsson, Gomez, and now Watt have all clearly contributed to our season, added to their experience and added to their market value!
Of course, Harriott (with his own thread) is the exception but that's still seven players under contract, under 23 each playing 30-40 games. Thus proving to us and the outside world that they are decent players and not relegation favourites. Which is where the bookies placed us last summer next to Rotherham, Millwall and Blackpool.
I think Seth that you have been vocal about the journey and the potential outcomes and detachment and that's fair enough because we haven't had a straight line. For me I could see what they were doing when the 2012-14 squad exited, but I was certainly vocal when Luzon was appointed. Not because he was appointed nor Peeters sacked but the comms farce around the episode made me extremely wary about what might happen next.
But none of that changes the underlying strategy: young decent players from the academy and abroad on decent contracts and a decent pitch. Some fans have a genuine fear or at least concern that this is a glorified shop window? But if it pays the bills and improves the squad then, for me, that's a price worth paying. It's the same at Arsenal, Southampton and Newcastle albeit they all have better players and bigger numbers.
And if we get to copy the sale and leaseback a la Imoh Ezekiel (can't use Zaha!) who went for €7m last summer then returned to Liege in January, then all the better.
It's a lot of change to digest: The model changes, the players change and the coach changes but they all wear our badge and we are going in the right direction. The table doesn't lie and we have finished six places higher this time. If that is repeated and we finish another six places higher next time then all good!
If we finish lower than 8th next time and simply can't stay in touch with the top six then one might question whether we are only a shop window and not a football club striving to improve and compete. Particularly when the FAPL / parachute monies exceed £150m which somewhat dwarfs any fee received for our top players.
The club are keeping their cards close to their chest but whispers of pushing on are coming out. Whether our first XI in August consists all of our best players today or not ( because some are gone) we will all know the direction and ambition in August. There will be no rhetoric nor hiding place which can mask the reality.
No, not at all, but I put forward what I thought was a fair summery of what I thought would be most likely to happen and it was suggested that I was wrong with all of it.
I merely expanded and tried to explain why I believed what I had originally said.
All football fans over value their own players, and those from their youth set up even more. I do believe that our current Chairman can hold out for a 'King's ransom' due to his wealth - especially when the player is under contract for a number of years, but I just don't see a top side being bullied and even if they are (which I accept could happen, all be it that I don't think, personally, it will) they would never loan him back to us, as a matter of principle.
Realistically a top side would sign him and if they loaned him out at all it would be to a lower Premier League side.
I might remind those on here hat last summer (and the summer before) they were valuing Chris Solly at £5m. A player that doesn't seem able to play twice a week. Those same fans thought Shelvey was a world beater but we sold him for £1.7m three years before Liverpool sold him for three times that sum. Also, remember that we sold him a couple of games (plus the playoffs) before the end of a season when we could have won automatic promotion but there was no mention of him playing two or three more games for us.
I completely understand why we, as Charlton fans, would want to sell him for close to what our club sold for fifteen months ago, and then keep him for another year when his wages are likely to be close to half of the first team added together, but I don't think it will happen.
I thought that after being told I was completely wrong I should explain the reasons behind my thoughts. If people still think I'm wrong then fair enough, but at least they have, now, made an informed decision with the benefit of why I came up with my view.
Personally, I hope he stays, next summer would be the best time to sell him, assuming we don't go up, and I'd love to get him back on loan if he does go, but I just can't see it, personally.
Harsh to raise Solly as an argument though when its only his injury that has held him back. We should have got more for Shelvey, that is a fact.
You argued that no big teams pay big money for English players outside the prem - you were proven wrong. It happens pretty much every transfer window.
Not a chance of getting the money banded about on this thread (sorry). He's not even playing every game for us.
My guess if something happens this summer? 3-4 mil and he'll be gone without a loan back. Might get some reserve player for a season depending on the club that buys.
Would we like more? Sure. But we wont get it all the while he hasn't consistently proven himself and nailed down a guaranteed starter spot.
Not a chance of getting the money banded about on this thread (sorry). He's not even playing every game for us.
My guess if something happens this summer? 3-4 mil and he'll be gone without a loan back. Might get some reserve player for a season depending on the club that buys.
Would we like more? Sure. But we wont get it all the while he hasn't consistently proven himself and nailed down a guaranteed starter spot.
If that is true. I think Roland will hang on, make sure Joe plays pretty much regularly and watch the valuation soar.
oh for pity's sake £10M - £12M for a 17 year old with this few appearances! Reality check time. Obviously we think his best interests are served by staying put and learning his trade cos that best suits us too cos he's clearly our best centre half. But if his people get an offer they can't resist or Roly Dooshitalot gets an offer he considers to be economic then Joe's time at the Valley will be at an end. I'd estimate that RD's economic valuation is more like a third of these pipedream figures.
No, not at all, but I put forward what I thought was a fair summery of what I thought would be most likely to happen and it was suggested that I was wrong with all of it.
I merely expanded and tried to explain why I believed what I had originally said.
All football fans over value their own players, and those from their youth set up even more. I do believe that our current Chairman can hold out for a 'King's ransom' due to his wealth - especially when the player is under contract for a number of years, but I just don't see a top side being bullied and even if they are (which I accept could happen, all be it that I don't think, personally, it will) they would never loan him back to us, as a matter of principle.
Realistically a top side would sign him and if they loaned him out at all it would be to a lower Premier League side.
I might remind those on here hat last summer (and the summer before) they were valuing Chris Solly at £5m. A player that doesn't seem able to play twice a week. Those same fans thought Shelvey was a world beater but we sold him for £1.7m three years before Liverpool sold him for three times that sum. Also, remember that we sold him a couple of games (plus the playoffs) before the end of a season when we could have won automatic promotion but there was no mention of him playing two or three more games for us.
I completely understand why we, as Charlton fans, would want to sell him for close to what our club sold for fifteen months ago, and then keep him for another year when his wages are likely to be close to half of the first team added together, but I don't think it will happen.
I thought that after being told I was completely wrong I should explain the reasons behind my thoughts. If people still think I'm wrong then fair enough, but at least they have, now, made an informed decision with the benefit of why I came up with my view.
Personally, I hope he stays, next summer would be the best time to sell him, assuming we don't go up, and I'd love to get him back on loan if he does go, but I just can't see it, personally.
Harsh to raise Solly as an argument though when its only his injury that has held him back. We should have got more for Shelvey, that is a fact.
You argued that no big teams pay big money for English players outside the prem - you were proven wrong. It happens pretty much every transfer window.
My argument was that the top four don't pay £10m plus then lend them back.
I'd be interested to see which transfers you are referring to in every transfer window to the top four for £10m plus. Both Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain were £5m plus add ons, one was in 2006 and the other one in 2011.
I can't remember any players from the second tier of English football, without Premier League experience, moving to the Premier League for £10m, if you have a list I'd be interested to see it.
As for Solly. I wasn't being harsh, nor was I criticising the player, merely making the observation that Charlton fans seem to value Charlton players much higher than the clubs that might, potentially, want to buy them.
I must be the only one on here to not be completely bowled over by Joe Gomez. He's obviously got ability but to think he's worth 10+ million is ridiculous. If he goes and sits in a premier leagues u21 team it will be for an undisclosed fee 1.5-2m nothing more
No, not at all, but I put forward what I thought was a fair summery of what I thought would be most likely to happen and it was suggested that I was wrong with all of it.
I merely expanded and tried to explain why I believed what I had originally said.
All football fans over value their own players, and those from their youth set up even more. I do believe that our current Chairman can hold out for a 'King's ransom' due to his wealth - especially when the player is under contract for a number of years, but I just don't see a top side being bullied and even if they are (which I accept could happen, all be it that I don't think, personally, it will) they would never loan him back to us, as a matter of principle.
Realistically a top side would sign him and if they loaned him out at all it would be to a lower Premier League side.
I might remind those on here hat last summer (and the summer before) they were valuing Chris Solly at £5m. A player that doesn't seem able to play twice a week. Those same fans thought Shelvey was a world beater but we sold him for £1.7m three years before Liverpool sold him for three times that sum. Also, remember that we sold him a couple of games (plus the playoffs) before the end of a season when we could have won automatic promotion but there was no mention of him playing two or three more games for us.
I completely understand why we, as Charlton fans, would want to sell him for close to what our club sold for fifteen months ago, and then keep him for another year when his wages are likely to be close to half of the first team added together, but I don't think it will happen.
I thought that after being told I was completely wrong I should explain the reasons behind my thoughts. If people still think I'm wrong then fair enough, but at least they have, now, made an informed decision with the benefit of why I came up with my view.
Personally, I hope he stays, next summer would be the best time to sell him, assuming we don't go up, and I'd love to get him back on loan if he does go, but I just can't see it, personally.
Harsh to raise Solly as an argument though when its only his injury that has held him back. We should have got more for Shelvey, that is a fact.
You argued that no big teams pay big money for English players outside the prem - you were proven wrong. It happens pretty much every transfer window.
My argument was that the top four don't pay £10m plus then lend them back.
I'd be interested to see which transfers you are referring to in every transfer window to the top four for £10m plus. Both Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain were £5m plus add ons, one was in 2006 and the other one in 2011.
I can't remember any players from the second tier of English football, without Premier League experience, moving to the Premier League for £10m, if you have a list I'd be interested to see it.
As for Solly. I wasn't being harsh, nor was I criticising the player, merely making the observation that Charlton fans seem to value Charlton players much higher than the clubs that might, potentially, want to buy them.
May as well flog him to a Championship team then. Ross McCormack £11M to Fulham!
I must be the only one on here to not be completely bowled over by Joe Gomez. He's obviously got ability but to think he's worth 10+ million is ridiculous. If he goes and sits in a premier leagues u21 team it will be for an undisclosed fee 1.5-2m nothing more
I really can't see us selling him for a fee as low as what we sold Shelvey for.
We're in the Championship with an owner that can cover any losses and he's under contract for another 2 years (with an option to extend a further year).
Let me get this straight, are people really suggesting that a duumvirate that can't be trusted to give people a meaningful £15 food voucher would get £8m for a transfer and sell it on exciting players capable of building a team for promotion? Yeah right. Forgive my cynicism but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Let's keep Joe for as long as possible.
Not a chance of getting the money banded about on this thread (sorry). He's not even playing every game for us.
My guess if something happens this summer? 3-4 mil and he'll be gone without a loan back. Might get some reserve player for a season depending on the club that buys.
Would we like more? Sure. But we wont get it all the while he hasn't consistently proven himself and nailed down a guaranteed starter spot.
He's good enough to start but at 17 he needs to be protected from being over exposed and played. I think that's good management not a reflection of joes ability.
I must be the only one on here to not be completely bowled over by Joe Gomez. He's obviously got ability but to think he's worth 10+ million is ridiculous. If he goes and sits in a premier leagues u21 team it will be for an undisclosed fee 1.5-2m nothing more
I really can't see us selling him for a fee as low as what we sold Shelvey for.
We're in the Championship with an owner that can cover any losses and he's under contract for another 2 years (with an option to extend a further year).
A better comparison of circumstances would be when we sold Bowyer and even then we had less wealthy backers (although they weren't such a pre-requisite for success in those days).
At the time we sold Bowyer for over 3 million with all the add-ons etc, a record fee for a teenager at the time which was 20 years ago.
The received wisdom seems to be that Gomez is in that bracket of talent, maybe even better, so if we got less than we did for Bowyer 20 years ago that really would be a shite deal.
I believe Luke Shaw currently holds the record fee for a teenager at 33 million so maybe 10 million is not so unrealistic for Gomez.
No, not at all, but I put forward what I thought was a fair summery of what I thought would be most likely to happen and it was suggested that I was wrong with all of it.
I merely expanded and tried to explain why I believed what I had originally said.
All football fans over value their own players, and those from their youth set up even more. I do believe that our current Chairman can hold out for a 'King's ransom' due to his wealth - especially when the player is under contract for a number of years, but I just don't see a top side being bullied and even if they are (which I accept could happen, all be it that I don't think, personally, it will) they would never loan him back to us, as a matter of principle.
Realistically a top side would sign him and if they loaned him out at all it would be to a lower Premier League side.
I might remind those on here hat last summer (and the summer before) they were valuing Chris Solly at £5m. A player that doesn't seem able to play twice a week. Those same fans thought Shelvey was a world beater but we sold him for £1.7m three years before Liverpool sold him for three times that sum. Also, remember that we sold him a couple of games (plus the playoffs) before the end of a season when we could have won automatic promotion but there was no mention of him playing two or three more games for us.
I completely understand why we, as Charlton fans, would want to sell him for close to what our club sold for fifteen months ago, and then keep him for another year when his wages are likely to be close to half of the first team added together, but I don't think it will happen.
I thought that after being told I was completely wrong I should explain the reasons behind my thoughts. If people still think I'm wrong then fair enough, but at least they have, now, made an informed decision with the benefit of why I came up with my view.
Personally, I hope he stays, next summer would be the best time to sell him, assuming we don't go up, and I'd love to get him back on loan if he does go, but I just can't see it, personally.
Harsh to raise Solly as an argument though when its only his injury that has held him back. We should have got more for Shelvey, that is a fact.
You argued that no big teams pay big money for English players outside the prem - you were proven wrong. It happens pretty much every transfer window.
My argument was that the top four don't pay £10m plus then lend them back.
I'd be interested to see which transfers you are referring to in every transfer window to the top four for £10m plus. Both Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain were £5m plus add ons, one was in 2006 and the other one in 2011.
I can't remember any players from the second tier of English football, without Premier League experience, moving to the Premier League for £10m, if you have a list I'd be interested to see it.
As for Solly. I wasn't being harsh, nor was I criticising the player, merely making the observation that Charlton fans seem to value Charlton players much higher than the clubs that might, potentially, want to buy them.
May as well flog him to a Championship team then. Ross McCormack £11M to Fulham!
If you didn't forget a smiley then I give up.
McCormack is a full international who scored 28 league goals in 2013-14, in a crap side.
Joe Gomez has started 16 league games in his career.
Your moving the goal posts, you just said PL experience, not international experience. SMILeY.
-that said, Scottish international striker is on a par to a half decent Championship striker and McCormack scored a lot of goals in one season and not so many in his others. It does prove you only need one fool of an owner to get an above average/expectation return.
What is it about us Charlton fans and claiming that players are worth ridiculous amounts? I love the guy and believe he is quality but £10 million you're having a laugh. Halve it and maybe halve it again.
It is about now that we will hopefully find that Roland is not going to be mugged off. I am happy that we are now signing the youngsters earlier which is vital to our chance of bringing through the lads who are winning things in the under 18's and 21's.
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Don't we have a new screen to pay for?
Whatever their destiny at Charlton (and there are at the very least three who seem like certainties), there are a lot of young lads who will make a good living as professional footballers emerging in South East London just now.
One of the reasons I would prefer to play academy products than iffy or creaking old pros, I know a balance is ideal, but in a thirst for signings, always remember the way forward for the young players ought not to be blocked.
If he goes, let him go to Chelsea and take him, Solanke, Rubun-Cheek and Palmer back on loan plus £10-12M.
All supposition.
I merely expanded and tried to explain why I believed what I had originally said.
All football fans over value their own players, and those from their youth set up even more. I do believe that our current Chairman can hold out for a 'King's ransom' due to his wealth - especially when the player is under contract for a number of years, but I just don't see a top side being bullied and even if they are (which I accept could happen, all be it that I don't think, personally, it will) they would never loan him back to us, as a matter of principle.
Realistically a top side would sign him and if they loaned him out at all it would be to a lower Premier League side.
I might remind those on here hat last summer (and the summer before) they were valuing Chris Solly at £5m. A player that doesn't seem able to play twice a week. Those same fans thought Shelvey was a world beater but we sold him for £1.7m three years before Liverpool sold him for three times that sum. Also, remember that we sold him a couple of games (plus the playoffs) before the end of a season when we could have won automatic promotion but there was no mention of him playing two or three more games for us.
I completely understand why we, as Charlton fans, would want to sell him for close to what our club sold for fifteen months ago, and then keep him for another year when his wages are likely to be close to half of the first team added together, but I don't think it will happen.
I thought that after being told I was completely wrong I should explain the reasons behind my thoughts. If people still think I'm wrong then fair enough, but at least they have, now, made an informed decision with the benefit of why I came up with my view.
Personally, I hope he stays, next summer would be the best time to sell him, assuming we don't go up, and I'd love to get him back on loan if he does go, but I just can't see it, personally.
I won't speculate on the amounts offered nor acceptable as we are in a very new scenario: increased FAPL media deal coming up, increased FFP loss limits and an owner with deep pockets who knows how to sell players.
I'm not sure why people think any sales proceeds might be "trousered" since loans into the club are running at about £10-12m a season to cover losses, player acquisition and paying off debts. No disrespect to those making such comments on here as this is simply a symptom of a lack of clear narrative from the board.
More and more whispers are suggesting that we might have a crack at the top six next time. We saw how to get there under Peeters last September / October, but staying there is very different challenge - just ask Forest, Derby and Wigan! The point is that other threads are dedicated to what it might take but as per the OP, Gomez departure might be the key to a sustainable push upwards?
And if you're worried about our ability to attract quality recruits? Well we are in a far better place than last May and the player acquisition here and at Liege last summer proved that the board can attract players of the right calibre. We now have a decent pitch, coach and track record.
Of course the narrative has not been explicit nor continuous but I went out on a limb last summer to state our clubs strategy was youth... Play them, coach them, buy them, sell them!
Cousins, Fox, Vetokele, Pope, Gudmundsson, Gomez, and now Watt have all clearly contributed to our season, added to their experience and added to their market value!
Of course, Harriott (with his own thread) is the exception but that's still seven players under contract, under 23 each playing 30-40 games. Thus proving to us and the outside world that they are decent players and not relegation favourites. Which is where the bookies placed us last summer next to Rotherham, Millwall and Blackpool.
I think Seth that you have been vocal about the journey and the potential outcomes and detachment and that's fair enough because we haven't had a straight line. For me I could see what they were doing when the 2012-14 squad exited, but I was certainly vocal when Luzon was appointed. Not because he was appointed nor Peeters sacked but the comms farce around the episode made me extremely wary about what might happen next.
But none of that changes the underlying strategy: young decent players from the academy and abroad on decent contracts and a decent pitch. Some fans have a genuine fear or at least concern that this is a glorified shop window? But if it pays the bills and improves the squad then, for me, that's a price worth paying. It's the same at Arsenal, Southampton and Newcastle albeit they all have better players and bigger numbers.
And if we get to copy the sale and leaseback a la Imoh Ezekiel (can't use Zaha!) who went for €7m last summer then returned to Liege in January, then all the better.
It's a lot of change to digest: The model changes, the players change and the coach changes but they all wear our badge and we are going in the right direction. The table doesn't lie and we have finished six places higher this time. If that is repeated and we finish another six places higher next time then all good!
If we finish lower than 8th next time and simply can't stay in touch with the top six then one might question whether we are only a shop window and not a football club striving to improve and compete. Particularly when the FAPL / parachute monies exceed £150m which somewhat dwarfs any fee received for our top players.
The club are keeping their cards close to their chest but whispers of pushing on are coming out. Whether our first XI in August consists all of our best players today or not ( because some are gone) we will all know the direction and ambition in August. There will be no rhetoric nor hiding place which can mask the reality.
You argued that no big teams pay big money for English players outside the prem - you were proven wrong. It happens pretty much every transfer window.
My guess if something happens this summer? 3-4 mil and he'll be gone without a loan back. Might get some reserve player for a season depending on the club that buys.
Would we like more? Sure. But we wont get it all the while he hasn't consistently proven himself and nailed down a guaranteed starter spot.
Obviously we think his best interests are served by staying put and learning his trade cos that best suits us too cos he's clearly our best centre half. But if his people get an offer they can't resist or Roly Dooshitalot gets an offer he considers to be economic then Joe's time at the Valley will be at an end. I'd estimate that RD's economic valuation is more like a third of these pipedream figures.
I'd be interested to see which transfers you are referring to in every transfer window to the top four for £10m plus. Both Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain were £5m plus add ons, one was in 2006 and the other one in 2011.
I can't remember any players from the second tier of English football, without Premier League experience, moving to the Premier League for £10m, if you have a list I'd be interested to see it.
As for Solly. I wasn't being harsh, nor was I criticising the player, merely making the observation that Charlton fans seem to value Charlton players much higher than the clubs that might, potentially, want to buy them.
We're in the Championship with an owner that can cover any losses and he's under contract for another 2 years (with an option to extend a further year).
At the time we sold Bowyer for over 3 million with all the add-ons etc, a record fee for a teenager at the time which was 20 years ago.
The received wisdom seems to be that Gomez is in that bracket of talent, maybe even better, so if we got less than we did for Bowyer 20 years ago that really would be a shite deal.
I believe Luke Shaw currently holds the record fee for a teenager at 33 million so maybe 10 million is not so unrealistic for Gomez.
McCormack is a full international who scored 28 league goals in 2013-14, in a crap side.
Joe Gomez has started 16 league games in his career.
-that said, Scottish international striker is on a par to a half decent Championship striker and McCormack scored a lot of goals in one season and not so many in his others. It does prove you only need one fool of an owner to get an above average/expectation return.
Give Gomez a season of at 30+ appearances and we could ask for at least 8-12 million imo