In a post match drugs test cocaine IS CONSIDERED A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. If his B-sample proves positive then he faces a 6 year ban. Career over.
This is what Darren Fletcher said on 5Live, not me. He was referring to the world drugs in sport authority whoever they are and their rules supersede the FA and all others.
Should be given a zero ban for something that isn't performance enhancing, and a 3 month ban for being a twat and risking what should be such a fantastic life
And a further 9 month ban for that bloody moustache.
Cocaine can give you supreme confidence. I know someone who uses it before and during pool matches and he says it makes him feel like he can't miss. I don't think the effects last all that long though, maybe half an hour.
In a post match drugs test cocaine IS CONSIDERED A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. If his B-sample proves positive then he faces a 6 year ban. Career over.
This is what Darren Fletcher said on 5Live, not me. He was referring to the world drugs in sport authority whoever they are and their rules supersede the FA and all others.
I doubt they supersede the fa rule book riveria tbh, not saying that you are wrong but there would be no.point the fa having any rules around drug use like this, unless the rule said we would accept any punishment that the world drugs in sport authority deem acceptable,
As much as an idiot the kid has been a mistake like that shouldnt cost you your career, the only person your hurting in a physical nature is your self, this is the sort of mistake that we should encourage rehabilitation as the answer and punishment,
In a post match drugs test cocaine IS CONSIDERED A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. If his B-sample proves positive then he faces a 6 year ban. Career over.
This is what Darren Fletcher said on 5Live, not me. He was referring to the world drugs in sport authority whoever they are and their rules supersede the FA and all others.
I doubt they supersede the fa rule book riveria tbh, not saying that you are wrong but there would be no.point the fa having any rules around drug use like this, unless the rule said we would accept any punishment that the world drugs in sport authority deem acceptable,
As much as an idiot the kid has been a mistake like that shouldnt cost you your career, the only person your hurting in a physical nature is your self, this is the sort of mistake that we should encourage rehabilitation as the answer and punishment,
So it's not worth having laws made in the UK Parliament because they can be overruled by European courts?
Not condoning what he did but upon hearing that he lost his new born child that must be hell and a horrible feeling. I know Jason Euell lost his and he didn't turn to cocaine, and everyone suffers personal lose. What I am interested in is the punishment. I actually see things as Dave Challinor's reckless challenge on Pringle all those years back as worse than what Livermore did, even though Livermore broke the law. That's my subjective opinion, I'm sure others see it differently.
I don't see how they can make a special casein this just because of the very unfortunate circumstances that have now come to light.
We would then need to 'weight' mitigating circumstances versus the punishment.
Surely the reasons behind any case like this have to be taken into consideration. Clearly there's a difference between what happened to him and some Billy big spuds footballer taking Charlie in a toilet in a club in Kensington.
I think if one of my kids died it would put me over the edge. i think we should have a lot of sympathy with him. It's not as if he went out and killed someone while on it unlike other footballers i could name.
I think if one of my kids died it would put me over the edge. i think we should have a lot of sympathy with him. It's not as if he went out and killed someone while on it unlike other footballers i could name.
We should absolutely have sympathy for him mate.
The question is how much the circumstances should affect the punishment and how to keep it in line once the precedent has been set.
All cases should be taken on merit - but it would be very difficult to legislate for how each type of mitigating factor should be weighted against the punishment.
Very sad what happened to Jake and his partner, But why would you take Cocaine for the 1st time ? if you were grieving for the loss of a baby ? Why would you want a high ? Explain it to me ?
Very sad what happened to Jake and his partner, But why would you take Cocaine for the 1st time ? if you were grieving for the loss of a baby ? Why would you want a high ? Explain it to me ?
This is also true, could've been on it/tried it prior. Real difficult one. I think the FA will just apply the letter of the law, regardless of the extenuating circumstances. There would be so much inconsistency otherwise. I think my original point was that to me, I don't see this as big as of a deal to other incidents, particularly those that could end a players career. Fashanu elbowing Mabbutt, Challinor I already mentioned. Thatcher taking out Mendes. For me they are worse than taking cocaine
Not condoning what he did but upon hearing that he lost his new born child that must be hell and a horrible feeling. I know Jason Euell lost his and he didn't turn to cocaine, and everyone suffers personal lose. What I am interested in is the punishment. I actually see things as Dave Challinor's reckless challenge on Pringle all those years back as worse than what Livermore did, even though Livermore broke the law. That's my subjective opinion, I'm sure others see it differently.
Interesting viewpoint, and of course it could be argued that Challinor, Muscat & other on-field thugs also broke the law...
Very sad what happened to Jake and his partner, But why would you take Cocaine for the 1st time ? if you were grieving for the loss of a baby ? Why would you want a high ? Explain it to me ?
I couldn't imagine losing a child, so what I say is speculation but perhaps some people turn to different things in grief for escapism. Getting charged up maybe made him feel better for a short moment.
Given the personal circumstances, that he did not harm anyone else with his actions and it is not considered a performance enhancing drug then i would say the FA should not ban him at all, give him some sort of suspended ban and more regular tests so if another one comes back positive then give him that long punishment.
When my baby died it made me think a whole lot of stuff and I can understand how some people can go off the rails so I do sympathise with him to be fair. It really messes your head up especially if you don't talk to someone about it.
When my baby died it made me think a whole lot of stuff and I can understand how some people can go off the rails so I do sympathise with him to be fair. It really messes your head up especially if you don't talk to someone about it.
Sorry to hear that Jake, can't imagine how painful it must be.
There for the grace of God go us all, you can't judge a person on how they deal with such a tragedy based on the actions of others who suffered such a similar devastating event, Fuck the drugs fuck the morales and the judgement that some will undoubtedly aim at him, I hope he and his partner come through the loss stronger and better people for it,
And personally I wish the lad nothing but Goodwill and good luck in his future
There's more to life than money and football as he has realised himself now
Footballers are warned about this type of thing all the time and they know they could be tested for drugs. He is an idiot for choosing Charlie as his escape from awful personal stress. He let his team-mates down very badly and they got relegated. If he has not been caught before he should get a ban long enough to prevent other players from thinking it is worth the risk. I dunno...six months, with a huge fine? We supported Bowyer with his dodgy baccy bust, gave Chandler the boot ...but I can't recall what we did with Jamie Stuart. Was he sacked? Threats of a 6 years ban are totally bonkers.
Hull midfielder Jake Livermore will face no suspension after testing positive for a prohibited substance due to "the specific and unique nature of the circumstances surrounding the case", the Football Association has announced.
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I doubt they supersede the fa rule book riveria tbh, not saying that you are wrong but there would be no.point the fa having any rules around drug use like this, unless the rule said we would accept any punishment that the world drugs in sport authority deem acceptable,
As much as an idiot the kid has been a mistake like that shouldnt cost you your career, the only person your hurting in a physical nature is your self, this is the sort of mistake that we should encourage rehabilitation as the answer and punishment,
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Not condoning what he did but upon hearing that he lost his new born child that must be hell and a horrible feeling. I know Jason Euell lost his and he didn't turn to cocaine, and everyone suffers personal lose. What I am interested in is the punishment. I actually see things as Dave Challinor's reckless challenge on Pringle all those years back as worse than what Livermore did, even though Livermore broke the law. That's my subjective opinion, I'm sure others see it differently.
We would then need to 'weight' mitigating circumstances versus the punishment.
ie death of a child vs death of another family member or divorce etc.
Which of these unfortunate events would be constitute reasonable grounds for reduced punishment?
The line would need to be drawn somewhere.
i think we should have a lot of sympathy with him.
It's not as if he went out and killed someone while on
it unlike other footballers i could name.
The question is how much the circumstances should affect the punishment and how to keep it in line once the precedent has been set.
All cases should be taken on merit - but it would be very difficult to legislate for how each type of mitigating factor should be weighted against the punishment.
But why would you take Cocaine for the 1st time ?
if you were grieving for the loss of a baby ?
Why would you want a high ?
Explain it to me ?
And personally I wish the lad nothing but Goodwill and good luck in his future
There's more to life than money and football as he has realised himself now
Good luck Jake and RIP little one sleep tight
If he has not been caught before he should get a ban long enough to prevent other players from thinking it is worth the risk. I dunno...six months, with a huge fine?
We supported Bowyer with his dodgy baccy bust, gave Chandler the boot ...but I can't recall what we did with Jamie Stuart. Was he sacked? Threats of a 6 years ban are totally bonkers.