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  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,523
    bolloxbolder said:
    I met mates near the Angel tube station on Saturday.  Used the Elizabeth Line and tfl advised change at Liverpool Street and walk to Moorgate. To my surprise the two stations were linked underground ie you did not have to exit the station. Is this new, due to the new line or have they always been linked?

    If new are there other link ups along the Elizabeth Line? 
    Farringdon & Barbican are now also linked.
    The Moorgate/Liverpool St link opened with Crossrail.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    bolloxbolder said:
    I met mates near the Angel tube station on Saturday.  Used the Elizabeth Line and tfl advised change at Liverpool Street and walk to Moorgate. To my surprise the two stations were linked underground ie you did not have to exit the station. Is this new, due to the new line or have they always been linked?

    If new are there other link ups along the Elizabeth Line? 
    ooo nice, didn't know that. Still, i enjoyed my walks between moorgate and liverpool street.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,728
    edited July 2022
    Just looking at various routes into London for when I go back into the Office on Thursdays

    Because of School Holidays, its possible I'll have to drop my Son at my parents (Bexleyheath) before getting the train in from there - Using the Elizabeth Line looks a lot cheaper than SouthEastern (£8.30 return, instead of £13), as will need to get to Tower Hill.

    So route will basically be Abbey Wood > Whitechapel > Tower Hill, with a change on the District Line.

    Any idea what street parking is like around Abbey Wood these days... I accept I'll have to walk about 10-15mins to the Station, as thats the norm with stations now - But looking on Street View it looks like New Road by Lesnes Abbey (further up the hill) is one option, yet was wondering if there were any other suggestions?
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    Have a look at the Just Park app, Sainsburys next door sell all day spaces for about a fiver 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,057
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Just looking at various routes into London for when I go back into the Office on Thursdays

    Because of School Holidays, its possible I'll have to drop my Son at my parents (Bexleyheath) before getting the train in from there - Using the Elizabeth Line looks a lot cheaper than SouthEastern (£8.30 return, instead of £13), as will need to get to Tower Hill.

    So route will basically be Abbey Wood > Whitechapel > Tower Hill, with a change on the District Line.

    Any idea what street parking is like around Abbey Wood these days... I accept I'll have to walk about 10-15mins to the Station, as thats the norm with stations now - But looking on Street View it looks like New Road by Lesnes Abbey (further up the hill) is one option, yet was wondering if there were any other suggestions?
    Ask Clive.
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,264
    i'm travelling Tuesday  (or planned to be) london-oxford - 4 different trains... hotel booked (not my money but still) starting to wonder if it is gonna happen. 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,130
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Just looking at various routes into London for when I go back into the Office on Thursdays

    Because of School Holidays, its possible I'll have to drop my Son at my parents (Bexleyheath) before getting the train in from there - Using the Elizabeth Line looks a lot cheaper than SouthEastern (£8.30 return, instead of £13), as will need to get to Tower Hill.

    So route will basically be Abbey Wood > Whitechapel > Tower Hill, with a change on the District Line.

    Any idea what street parking is like around Abbey Wood these days... I accept I'll have to walk about 10-15mins to the Station, as thats the norm with stations now - But looking on Street View it looks like New Road by Lesnes Abbey (further up the hill) is one option, yet was wondering if there were any other suggestions?
    There is a car park no more than 50 yards away, under the flyover in Gayton Road.
    2 minutes walk away.
    It looks a fairly large car park, but I don't know how packed it gets in busy times.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    kentaddick said:
    Pubs now depend on average joes/randomers coming in. I doubt any pub open in London nowadays can afford to have regulars who stare at anyone who comes through the door and break into fights.
    I'm sure this is true. Pubs with regulars are probably a turn off and can no longer be sustained by those regulars. Also, it seems you need half decent food to be sustainable.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,021
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Just looking at various routes into London for when I go back into the Office on Thursdays

    Because of School Holidays, its possible I'll have to drop my Son at my parents (Bexleyheath) before getting the train in from there - Using the Elizabeth Line looks a lot cheaper than SouthEastern (£8.30 return, instead of £13), as will need to get to Tower Hill.

    So route will basically be Abbey Wood > Whitechapel > Tower Hill, with a change on the District Line.

    Any idea what street parking is like around Abbey Wood these days... I accept I'll have to walk about 10-15mins to the Station, as thats the norm with stations now - But looking on Street View it looks like New Road by Lesnes Abbey (further up the hill) is one option, yet was wondering if there were any other suggestions?
    I parked on new road for an event qt lesnes abbey Lodge a month or so ago. No idea how busy it gets on week days though.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,523

    Station Progress: Bond Street (July 2022)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nC4iT-gaFI

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  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    went whitechapel > Canary wharf on saturday and it was a joy. Definitely need more rail links like this.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    clive said:

    Station Progress: Bond Street (July 2022)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nC4iT-gaFI
    Bond Street is and always has been a shit-show when it comes to upgrade works. The station capacity work also dragged on well beyond the expected delivery dates and it's proved again what a pain in the rear end it is.

    2nd October is the 'new' commissioning date that everyone is working to. Be very surprised if that's hit.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    Is 2nd October the date for through running out of the core to Shenfield and Heathrow? 
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Rothko said:
    Is 2nd October the date for through running out of the core to Shenfield and Heathrow? 
    It's the date that the station is due to open/be handed over to LU. Plenty of hurdles to jump first, though. Would assume that means fleet are also operational. Will try and find out as fleet isn't my area of expertise but know a few people in that domain so will see what they say.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,237
    The key date is the handover to TfL control when their staff start running the station in background mode. 
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    edited July 2022
    Crusty54 said:
    The key date is the handover to TfL control when their staff start running the station in background mode. 
    Yes. You have BIU (the date you're referring to, which is Bring In to Use) and DIS (Delivery In to Service) dates. The DIS date is the 2nd October this year.

    BIU can only be achieved when all the relevant paperwork and assurance documentation has been passed across and NOWRI's signed off by LU.
  • Kindoncasella
    Kindoncasella Posts: 258
    Took the train to paddington on saturday, noticed that, to go towards Reading you have to go into the main station and pick up the train there whch i assume runs on older track. Is that how it will always be or will you able to go straight through with no changes?
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    Kindoncasella said:
    Took the train to paddington on saturday, noticed that, to go towards Reading you have to go into the main station and pick up the train there whch i assume runs on older track. Is that how it will always be or will you able to go straight through with no changes?
    Once through running starts in October/November you'll be able to catch a single train from Abbey Wood to Reading, you'll come out of the new tunnels at Westbourne Park and join the existing Great Western main line 
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Kindoncasella said:
    Took the train to paddington on saturday, noticed that, to go towards Reading you have to go into the main station and pick up the train there whch i assume runs on older track. Is that how it will always be or will you able to go straight through with no changes?
    the elizabeth line rail out west has been in use for years (since around the time crossrail was originally due to be open, around 2018ish)
  • ROTW
    ROTW Posts: 642
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Crusty54 said:
    The key date is the handover to TfL control when their staff start running the station in background mode. 
    Yes. You have BIU (the date you're referring to, which is Bring In to Use) and DIS (Delivery In to Service) dates. The DIS date is the 2nd October this year.

    BIU can only be achieved when all the relevant paperwork and assurance documentation has been passed across and NOWRI's signed off by LU.
    Want a bet? When the pressure is on NOWRIs mean jack shit

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  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    ROTW said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Crusty54 said:
    The key date is the handover to TfL control when their staff start running the station in background mode. 
    Yes. You have BIU (the date you're referring to, which is Bring In to Use) and DIS (Delivery In to Service) dates. The DIS date is the 2nd October this year.

    BIU can only be achieved when all the relevant paperwork and assurance documentation has been passed across and NOWRI's signed off by LU.
    Want a bet? When the pressure is on NOWRIs mean jack shit
    Depends on the discipline. Fire systems are never signed off without NOWRIs having been completed.

    But, yeah, I know where you're coming from 👍🏻
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,021
    https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-underground-bakerloo-line-extension-24581109

    Bakerloo line to Lewisham would be ideal. Yes please.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    cantersaddick said:
    https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-underground-bakerloo-line-extension-24581109

    Bakerloo line to Lewisham would be ideal. Yes please.
    I am just about to move to the borough and this would be great but it's been talked about for so long. Even if it did get the go ahead what would it be? 10 years away?
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,237
    colthe3rd said:
    cantersaddick said:
    https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-underground-bakerloo-line-extension-24581109

    Bakerloo line to Lewisham would be ideal. Yes please.
    I am just about to move to the borough and this would be great but it's been talked about for so long. Even if it did get the go ahead what would it be? 10 years away?
    Would you really prefer a small train in tunnels to a faster train on the surface?

    The extension is really aimed at the new homes along the Old Kent Road corridor.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Crusty54 said:
    colthe3rd said:
    cantersaddick said:
    https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-underground-bakerloo-line-extension-24581109

    Bakerloo line to Lewisham would be ideal. Yes please.
    I am just about to move to the borough and this would be great but it's been talked about for so long. Even if it did get the go ahead what would it be? 10 years away?
    Would you really prefer a small train in tunnels to a faster train on the surface?

    The extension is really aimed at the new homes along the Old Kent Road corridor.
    I think the only time the bakerloo would make sense would be coming back from town at night and rather waiting half hour for trains from a specific station. That said though more transport options is always better.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,021
    Crusty54 said:
    colthe3rd said:
    cantersaddick said:
    https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-underground-bakerloo-line-extension-24581109

    Bakerloo line to Lewisham would be ideal. Yes please.
    I am just about to move to the borough and this would be great but it's been talked about for so long. Even if it did get the go ahead what would it be? 10 years away?
    Would you really prefer a small train in tunnels to a faster train on the surface?

    The extension is really aimed at the new homes along the Old Kent Road corridor.
    Easier connections to different parts of London, easier changes to other tube lines than say London Bridge. Another option for getting home after a night out if you miss the last train home - for me a bus or Uber from Lewisham would be quicker and cheaper than 2 busses or uber from north Greenwich.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Trains will run directly from Heathrow and Reading to Abbey Wood, and Shenfield to Paddington from 6th November.

    Bond Street now has the opening date of 'by November'.

    Lastly, customers will be able to use the Elizabeth line seven days a week, as Sunday services through central London will also get underway for the first time from Sunday 6 November.

    The frequency of services in the central section between Paddington and Whitechapel will increase from 12 trains per hour to up to 22 trains per hour in peak times, and 16 trains per hour during off-peak times.

    The final timetable, which will see 24 trains per hour during the peak between Paddington and Whitechapel, is on track to be in place by May 2023. 

    Info: More than 11 million journeys have been made between Paddington and Abbey Wood, which equals more than 200,000 daily journeys.

  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,119
    Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,696
    Reckon the folk op North'll be right chuffed at this news.

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