I would not be surprised if pharmaceutical companies held back cheap and effective drugs. These are some of the most powerful companies on the planet. Humans are very money hungry and people have strange ideologies.
No such thing as a cheap drug. It takes about ten years to bring a new drug to market and about 1 billion pounds. The last thing business does is refuse to take a profit and have a loss instead.
Crystal meth. Well cheap can make it your kitchen for less than a tenner
You can make some pretty decent meth using tangled shoelaces, I've been tripping on them for days.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
This thread is quite useful in weeding out the lunatics worth avoiding in more sensible threads. A poster willing to put their name to this isn't someone I want to discuss the merits of playing three at the back with.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it?
I would not be surprised if pharmaceutical companies held back cheap and effective drugs. These are some of the most powerful companies on the planet. Humans are very money hungry and people have strange ideologies.
No such thing as a cheap drug. It takes about ten years to bring a new drug to market and about 1 billion pounds. The last thing business does is refuse to take a profit and have a loss instead.
What i mean is if you can prolong someones life for £300 a month, its cheaper than giving them a cure that will cost £1000.
Until the 4th month no?
I think it is a case of drug companies make more money out of the NHS/Government/private medical by charging say £300 for each treatment to prolong a life and keep a disease/illness in check rather than charge £1,000 to cure it entirely.
I would not be surprised if pharmaceutical companies held back cheap and effective drugs. These are some of the most powerful companies on the planet. Humans are very money hungry and people have strange ideologies.
No such thing as a cheap drug. It takes about ten years to bring a new drug to market and about 1 billion pounds. The last thing business does is refuse to take a profit and have a loss instead.
What i mean is if you can prolong someones life for £300 a month, its cheaper than giving them a cure that will cost £1000.
Until the 4th month no?
I think it is a case of drug companies make more money out of the NHS/Government/private medical by charging say £300 for each treatment to prolong a life and keep a disease/illness in check rather than charge £1,000 to cure it entirely.
I would not be surprised if pharmaceutical companies held back cheap and effective drugs. These are some of the most powerful companies on the planet. Humans are very money hungry and people have strange ideologies.
No such thing as a cheap drug. It takes about ten years to bring a new drug to market and about 1 billion pounds. The last thing business does is refuse to take a profit and have a loss instead.
What i mean is if you can prolong someones life for £300 a month, its cheaper than giving them a cure that will cost £1000.
Until the 4th month no?
I think it is a case of drug companies make more money out of the NHS/Government/private medical by charging say £300 for each treatment to prolong a life and keep a disease/illness in check rather than charge £1,000 to cure it entirely.
In theory, that might be true. In actuality, if you honestly believe that drug companies really have the capacity to practice in such a manner without just ONE person from within revealing the truth, then you are a delusional idiot.
And I'm not suggesting that you personally subscribe to this conjecture. I use "you" in the general sense.
I would not be surprised if pharmaceutical companies held back cheap and effective drugs. These are some of the most powerful companies on the planet. Humans are very money hungry and people have strange ideologies.
No such thing as a cheap drug. It takes about ten years to bring a new drug to market and about 1 billion pounds. The last thing business does is refuse to take a profit and have a loss instead.
What i mean is if you can prolong someones life for £300 a month, its cheaper than giving them a cure that will cost £1000.
Until the 4th month no?
I think it is a case of drug companies make more money out of the NHS/Government/private medical by charging say £300 for each treatment to prolong a life and keep a disease/illness in check rather than charge £1,000 to cure it entirely.
In theory, that might be true. In actuality, if you honestly believe that drug companies really have the capacity to practice in such a manner without just ONE person from within revealing the truth, then you are a delusional idiot.
And I'm not suggesting that you personally subscribe to this conjecture. I use "you" in the general sense.
Indeed. Also, if anyone bothered reading my previous post, you can no more 'cure' a disease like heart disease or a stroke than you can cure someone having the leg blown off by a bomb, that's not how pathology works. The government would be better off spending £50million on improving lifestyles than £50billion trying to find a miracle cure.
Ask yourselves which of the two following scenarios is most likely:
1. Drug company spends hundreds of millions seeking a cure for cancer with research teams of hundreds. It finds a cure but then decides it makes too much money from palliative treatments. It swears all the staff (and their friends and relatives!) to secrecy, destroys the millions of pages of emails and documents. Hopes that nobody finds out (because that would be the end of the company and the executives that make the decision).
2. Drug company decides it makes too much money from palliative treatments. Doesn't bother looking for a cure.
Ask yourselves which of the two following scenarios is most likely:
1. Drug company spends hundreds of millions seeking a cure for cancer with research teams of hundreds. It finds a cure but then decides it makes too much money from palliative treatments. It swears all the staff (and their friends and relatives!) to secrecy, destroys the millions of pages of emails and documents. Hopes that nobody finds out (because that would be the end of the company and the executives that make the decision).
2. Drug company decides it makes too much money from palliative treatments. Doesn't bother looking for a cure.
Or a third option. Same as 2, except they charge a premium for the palliative treatments or the current 'best' treatment for cancer, in order to fund research into new or better treatments.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
I understand your point of view. But just give us ONE detailed fact of what you are saying.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
Yes I was thinking that - to paraphrase from Macbeth - 'the gentleman doth protest too much!'
Seriously, anyone who doesn't think our lives are controlled is living in cloud cuckoo land. It has to be as the alternative is anarchy. We have a parliament that passes laws that we must live by and a judicial system to ensure compliance with said laws. Big business controls what we believe we need to consume - that's called marketing. Big business uses the lobby system to influence the law makers - that's vested interest. Governments are party to underhand and secret activities - that's why we have the Official Secrets Act.
But to conclude that all of that global 'control' rests in the hands of some non-appointed, unelected secret society of individuals is, unless proven, a flight of fancy at best and idiocy at worst.
Yes I was thinking that - to paraphrase from Macbeth - 'the gentleman doth protest too much!'
Seriously, anyone who doesn't think our lives are controlled is living in cloud cuckoo land. It has to be as the alternative is anarchy. We have a parliament that passes laws that we must live by and a judicial system to ensure compliance with said laws. Big business controls what we believe we need to consume - that's called marketing. Big business uses the lobby system to influence the law makers - that's vested interest. Governments are party to underhand and secret activities - that's why we have the Official Secrets Act.
But to conclude that all of that global 'control' rests in the hands of some non-appointed, unelected secret society of individuals is, unless proven, a flight of fancy at best and idiocy at worst.
Yes I was thinking that - to paraphrase from Macbeth - 'the gentleman doth protest too much!'
Seriously, anyone who doesn't think our lives are controlled is living in cloud cuckoo land. It has to be as the alternative is anarchy. We have a parliament that passes laws that we must live by and a judicial system to ensure compliance with said laws. Big business controls what we believe we need to consume - that's called marketing. Big business uses the lobby system to influence the law makers - that's vested interest. Governments are party to underhand and secret activities - that's why we have the Official Secrets Act.
But to conclude that all of that global 'control' rests in the hands of some non-appointed, unelected secret society of individuals is, unless proven, a flight of fancy at best and idiocy at worst.
Best post on the thread.
Prove it : - )
Well said Bob.
We all know there are vested interests, lobby groups, money men but going back 6000 years (why 4000 BC?), Illumnati etc etc. Give me strength.
I would not be surprised if pharmaceutical companies held back cheap and effective drugs. These are some of the most powerful companies on the planet. Humans are very money hungry and people have strange ideologies.
No such thing as a cheap drug. It takes about ten years to bring a new drug to market and about 1 billion pounds. The last thing business does is refuse to take a profit and have a loss instead.
What i mean is if you can prolong someones life for £300 a month, its cheaper than giving them a cure that will cost £1000.
Until the 4th month no?
I think it is a case of drug companies make more money out of the NHS/Government/private medical by charging say £300 for each treatment to prolong a life and keep a disease/illness in check rather than charge £1,000 to cure it entirely.
Which diseases/conditions in particular?
Your face
But no I wasn't saying a particular condition I was saying how I read the £300 - £1,000 comment.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
Thanks for the advice.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
Thanks for the advice.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
henry my old son, stop hiding behind lazziness and go and look. ive given you some pointers.
im happy to debate with you once you have something to say other than do my work for me.
its a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself so go find out.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
Thanks for the advice.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
henry my old son, stop hiding behind lazziness and go and look. ive given you some pointers.
im happy to debate with you once you have something to say other than do my work for me.
its a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself so go find out.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
Thanks for the advice.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
henry my old son, stop hiding behind lazziness and go and look. ive given you some pointers.
im happy to debate with you once you have something to say other than do my work for me.
its a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself so go find out.
I haven't got a scooby. i'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
Thanks for the advice.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
henry my old son, stop hiding behind lazziness and go and look. ive given you some pointers.
im happy to debate with you once you have something to say other than do my work for me.
its a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself so go find out.
Your elitist and condescending demeanour is laughable given that, despite being asked at least three times, you've failed to provide a molecule of evidence to substantiate what can otherwise only appear to be a series of ridiculous claims.
The "pointers" you allude to are simply documenting a list of world events, as if that gives your argument a degree of credibility.
"It's a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself" - a cop out/admission of failure if ever I've seen one. I wonder why.
Millions of Americans believe they've been abducted by aliens. They're batshit crazy - just like people who believe that 'The Illuminati' exists in any way, shape or form. Are there extremely powerful people who shape the destiny of the world? Yes. Does it have anything to do with 'secret societies'? No.
nobody wants to feel they have been made of mug of all their life which is partly why people rebuff the idea that their life is so heavily controlled. the other part to that is an environment has been created where anyone who is seen to be thinking in an alternative or anti view to the controllers they are villified by the masses usually by laughter.
if people are unable to see through what is currently going on (lets just look at the last 15 years briefly as some wont have been alive long enough to go from 9/11, the following fake wars on terror, recession -the so called bank crisis (they stole your money!), uk top brass banging and possibly killing kids, greece being screwed by investments banks then screwed again by the bigger boys in banking, the displacement of innocent people trying to survive by getting to a better place after west systematically f+cks their countries) then these groups will always win and there is an argument to say you all deserve what you get from them because you let them do it.
they dont exist right? but the evidence is all around you.
your life is very heavily controlled from what you eat to what you read, see and think. but we are all too intelligent to fall for it right?
call them what you like but the do exist and they control your life.
Prove it.
And I don't mean by asking questions such
"Why do think all this happened?"
put politely you are asking for a sound bite answer to 6,000 + years of human history so in the spirit of your reply to me how about you disprove it
You stated that they exist so up to you to back that up, not up to me to prove a negative.
doesn't have to be a soundbite, just no rhetorical questions or links to loony websites.
ive stated what i believe and dont feel i have to prove any thing to anyone other than myself. if you want more dont be lazy do some reseasrch of your own. or dont im easy. im not david icke or alex jones.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
So you are quite happy to label the vast majority of people as "mugs", throw about mentions of 9/11, war on terror, child abuse etc etc but when asked to provide proof you suddenly back off.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
ive given an opion based on my findings. dude, go do some research then make an opinion based on your own findings. read a book, go interview some people.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
Thanks for the advice.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
henry my old son, stop hiding behind lazziness and go and look. ive given you some pointers.
im happy to debate with you once you have something to say other than do my work for me.
its a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself so go find out.
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That explains a lot.
And I'm not suggesting that you personally subscribe to this conjecture. I use "you" in the general sense.
1. Drug company spends hundreds of millions seeking a cure for cancer with research teams of hundreds. It finds a cure but then decides it makes too much money from palliative treatments. It swears all the staff (and their friends and relatives!) to secrecy, destroys the millions of pages of emails and documents. Hopes that nobody finds out (because that would be the end of the company and the executives that make the decision).
2. Drug company decides it makes too much money from palliative treatments. Doesn't bother looking for a cure.
as pointers do some research on the current war on terror do some research on the previous two world wars. do some research on the banking system or money since its inception. reserch TTIP and corporate america. do some research on how cereal gets to you breakfast bowl and who controls that, do some research on the royal family, the raping and murdering of kids via upper levels of society at home and abroad (though these groups are not only made up of toffs in the uk). do some research on the music industry, the pharama industry, the food industry.
go find the info for yourself its the only way you will get to a point of understanding what is going on. youve fallen into the trap of wanting it all on a plate but its not a few paragraphs conversation. or dont go find it like i say im easy.
its an extensive subject and the reason these groups win is people want quick fix answers and are too lazy to do the hard yards and find out what is really going on. they would rather get info about events from the sun, sky or bbc but such outlets are part of the problem.
Your responses so far is that I either have to prove you wrong (I can't prove a negative) or I have to do all the research myself.
But it seem I've "fallen in the trap of wanting it all on a plate".
No I haven't. I have asked you, the person who is so sure, so convinced and so able to dismiss others as "mugs" for some proof.
You haven't because you know you can't. You can only do what all conspiracy theorist do. Ask rhetotical questions, lump toghether random events without any context and say "it's obvious, look for yourself".
Sorry, but that isn't how it works in the real world. You make a claim then YOU have to back it up. But you can't.
So obviously illuminati
Seriously, anyone who doesn't think our lives are controlled is living in cloud cuckoo land. It has to be as the alternative is anarchy. We have a parliament that passes laws that we must live by and a judicial system to ensure compliance with said laws. Big business controls what we believe we need to consume - that's called marketing. Big business uses the lobby system to influence the law makers - that's vested interest. Governments are party to underhand and secret activities - that's why we have the Official Secrets Act.
But to conclude that all of that global 'control' rests in the hands of some non-appointed, unelected secret society of individuals is, unless proven, a flight of fancy at best and idiocy at worst.
Well said Bob.
We all know there are vested interests, lobby groups, money men but going back 6000 years (why 4000 BC?), Illumnati etc etc. Give me strength.
But no I wasn't saying a particular condition I was saying how I read the £300 - £1,000 comment.
what you are proving that people are ostensibly idle and want spoon feeding which is a controllers combined birthday and christmas present. convince yourself either way under your own steam. or dont. its up to you.
but you wont, people rarely do. you want it now. its not a 'now' conversation. those events and industrys are all conected. its a small part of recent human history - go find out how.
as for the real world, which real world are you talking about - the one they make for you or the one they hide from you?
conspiricy theory as a phrase was propergated to get the idle masses to ridicule the people who have started to see through the historic and daily organised lies and events these groups throw out to get their agendas through.
im not a conpsiricy theorist im just a bloke has seen through the constant stream of bullshit and lies we get from all angles that have been sent out over the years continue to be daily. in order to get to a point where you understand the deceit on a decent level you really need to get there yourself find evidence that throws a spark up for you. if you want to of course.
As it happens I've done lots of reading about history and politics and had many discussions on the same from a very early age. I think most people on here and who know me personally would say I'm quite happy to express my opinions AND back them up with some evidence even if those people disagree with me (which is not unheard of ; - )
I'm happy to debate with you or anyone but all you seem to want to do is hide behind "you're all too stupid to see it so I'm not going to tell" you when you are challenged or asked for evidence.
You made a statement that this goes back 6000 years. Tell us what happened 6000 years ago that related to secret groups controlling the world. No waffle about "you've seen through the constant stream of bullshit" nonsense.
G.K. Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Not completely true, and I'm an atheist, but it does apply to many who think that having "a different narrative" make it OK to believe rubbish.
im happy to debate with you once you have something to say other than do my work for me.
its a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself so go find out.
The "pointers" you allude to are simply documenting a list of world events, as if that gives your argument a degree of credibility.
"It's a lot more satisfying to find out for yourself" - a cop out/admission of failure if ever I've seen one. I wonder why.
Off to re-read my copy of this