Shelvey has made more forward 'significant' passes in this one game than Poyet makes in a season!
It is only San Marino ffs !!!
There is always one.
There is always one what? ...San Marino ??
No there is always one price despite everyone saying one thing says another. Today my friend that is you. We will leave it there because we will never meet. Fill your boots son
No comprendez pal. Jibberish.
I'm not your pal. You are an idiot don't call me pal. You are one of the band of merrymen that sit behind their keyboard giving stick. Where is you little Bedsaddick tonight. And before you say anything yes I'm behind a keyboard.... But I'm willing to step out. Are you?
Yeah most on here are. Shame some don't take it into the real world.
Shelvey has made more forward 'significant' passes in this one game than Poyet makes in a season!
It is only San Marino ffs !!!
There is always one.
There is always one what? ...San Marino ??
No there is always one price despite everyone saying one thing says another. Today my friend that is you. We will leave it there because we will never meet. Fill your boots son
No comprendez pal. Jibberish.
I'm not your pal. You are an idiot don't call me pal. You are one of the band of merrymen that sit behind their keyboard giving stick. Where is you little Bedsaddick tonight. And before you say anything yes I'm behind a keyboard.... But I'm willing to step out. Are you?
Yeah most on here are. Shame some don't take it into the real world.
Stop posting selfies Al, there are women on here who might like angry midgets but atleast post a pic with one decent side
Whatever people say about the quality of the group etc, qualifying with 7 straight wins is impressive.
Let's hope we can take it into a major tournament for once.
This. We have to see something next year though. If we get another abject tournament display I'll cry. I'm desperate for us to just turn up and play for that shirt. All I want is positivity and commitment. We're not of the skill level of the top teams, that's obvious.
Shelvey has made more forward 'significant' passes in this one game than Poyet makes in a season!
It is only San Marino ffs !!!
There is always one.
There is always one what? ...San Marino ??
No there is always one price despite everyone saying one thing says another. Today my friend that is you. We will leave it there because we will never meet. Fill your boots son
No comprendez pal. Jibberish.
I'm not your pal. You are an idiot don't call me pal. You are one of the band of merrymen that sit behind their keyboard giving stick. Where is you little Bedsaddick tonight. And before you say anything yes I'm behind a keyboard.... But I'm willing to step out. Are you?
Really? Threatening people on an internet forum? Inviting listers to 'step out'?
Take a minute and have a good look at yourself. What is your ridiculous aggression likely to achieve?
I always enjoy your insights into JJ. Always have done, but you've crossed a line.
Whatever people say about the quality of the group etc, qualifying with 7 straight wins is impressive.
Let's hope we can take it into a major tournament for once.
This. We have to see something next year though. If we get another abject tournament display I'll cry. I'm desperate for us to just turn up and play for that shirt. All I want is positivity and commitment. We're not of the skill level of the top teams, that's obvious.
Just be positive
Just want us to play the likes of Spain Germany italy France in the friendlies. If we get beat we get beat but it is only way to improve
Whatever people say about the quality of the group etc, qualifying with 7 straight wins is impressive.
Let's hope we can take it into a major tournament for once.
This. We have to see something next year though. If we get another abject tournament display I'll cry. I'm desperate for us to just turn up and play for that shirt. All I want is positivity and commitment. We're not of the skill level of the top teams, that's obvious.
Just be positive
Just want us to play the likes of Spain Germany italy France in the friendlies. If we get beat we get beat but it is only way to improve
Let's hope so. Technically I still think a lot of sides are better than us, which is why I just to go on the offensive
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
Jonjo's lucky that his main competition for the playmaker role hasn't managed a full season since he was a teenager.
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
Think it was more a fact of using the squad due to weak opposition, having already pretty much qualified and a more difficult game in 4 days.
I think Shelvey has done his case no harm with his performance and neither did Stones.
Delph wasn't in a top 4 side and he played regularly for England.
It's difficult for Hodgson cos players like Ox and Walcott aren't playing regularly for Arsenal but they offer something different for England, and they usually turn in a good performance.
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
Sven looked outside the biggest clubs, that's why the tabloids had it in for him.
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
Sven looked outside the biggest clubs, that's why the tabloids had it in for him.
That and *gasp* he wasn't English. I'm glad hysteria about the England team in the media has died down in recent years
Whatever people say about the quality of the group etc, qualifying with 7 straight wins is impressive.
Let's hope we can take it into a major tournament for once.
This. We have to see something next year though. If we get another abject tournament display I'll cry. I'm desperate for us to just turn up and play for that shirt. All I want is positivity and commitment. We're not of the skill level of the top teams, that's obvious.
Just be positive
Just want us to play the likes of Spain Germany italy France in the friendlies. If we get beat we get beat but it is only way to improve
Well, of course that is not always possible to play those teams, but we do on a reasonably regular basis. We have played all the above in the past five years, Italy twice in fact. Plus Brazil (twice), Holland and Belgium. Before World Cups friendlies tend to be against opposition from different continents, for obvious reasons. Our next two announced friendlies are against France and Germany...
Those outside those parameters are Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Ireland and Scotland, twice each, Hungary and Ghana. I would argue that of that list, the only one that had no value was Hungary?
So by the start of the next major tournament, 11 matches against top quality opposition and 12 against supposedly less challenging opponents. I don't think that is a bad ratio?
Whatever people say about the quality of the group etc, qualifying with 7 straight wins is impressive.
Let's hope we can take it into a major tournament for once.
This. We have to see something next year though. If we get another abject tournament display I'll cry. I'm desperate for us to just turn up and play for that shirt. All I want is positivity and commitment. We're not of the skill level of the top teams, that's obvious.
Just be positive
Just want us to play the likes of Spain Germany italy France in the friendlies. If we get beat we get beat but it is only way to improve
Well, of course that is not always possible to play those teams, but we do on a reasonably regular basis. We have played all the above in the past five years, Italy twice in fact. Plus Brazil (twice), Holland and Belgium. Before World Cups friendlies tend to be against opposition from different continents, for obvious reasons. Our next two announced friendlies are against France and Germany...
Those outside those parameters are Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Ireland and Scotland, twice each, Hungary and Ghana. I would argue that of that list, the only one that had no value was Hungary?
So by the start of the next major tournament, 11 matches against top quality opposition and 12 against supposedly less challenging opponents. I don't think that is a bad ratio?
Big teams like Spain Italy France etc don't treat friendlies like england do. We play our best team and give maybe one or two a little run out. The big teams often play completely random squads to give others a chance to shine. It's in tournaments when these teams become lethal.
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
Sven looked outside the biggest clubs, that's why the tabloids had it in for him.
That and *gasp* he wasn't English. I'm glad hysteria about the England team in the media has died down in recent years
I think the media like the rest of us have gradually accepted how poor we've become. Last year's WC was a low even for us. Masked by 70 mins of competing against Italy. That 70 mins was quickly followed by a typical abject performance against Uruguay, where Suarez showed us what 'world class' really is. The Costa Rica game went under the radar given we were already out.
Combine this with 2012's QF against Italy where we sat so deep we could've been watching the game in our living rooms with the England team, and the 2010 WC, missing out on Euro 2008, it's been shit.
I accept now we're miles behind in terms of technical ability, so I would rather see us adopt the attitude of the Irish teams around the turn of the millennium. Those boys really played for their shirts. That's all I ask from England now.
Unfortunately, and not for this thread, bigger questions have to be asked about how we are changing the game for the future generations to compete
Well, 2012 was a lesson in trying not to lose. If we'd won the penalties (ha!) It would go down at a great tournament
The world cup we clearly thought we'd cracked it and it was an utter shambles. But... Despite out piss easy group I think England could actually play without fear and express themselves Ok we aren't good, but it'll be nice not to be embarrassed for a change
The England team has always been a joke. If you play for one of the big 4 you are almost guaranteed to play for England even if you are not first choice at your club. Form has never come into it. It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
Sven looked outside the biggest clubs, that's why the tabloids had it in for him.
That and *gasp* he wasn't English. I'm glad hysteria about the England team in the media has died down in recent years
I think the media like the rest of us have gradually accepted how poor we've become. Last year's WC was a low even for us. Masked by 70 mins of competing against Italy. That 70 mins was quickly followed by a typical abject performance against Uruguay, where Suarez showed us what 'world class' really is. The Costa Rica game went under the radar given we were already out.
Combine this with 2012's QF against Italy where we sat so deep we could've been watching the game in our living rooms with the England team, and the 2010 WC, missing out on Euro 2008, it's been shit.
I accept now we're miles behind in terms of technical ability, so I would rather see us adopt the attitude of the Irish teams around the turn of the millennium. Those boys really played for their shirts. That's all I ask from England now.
Unfortunately, and not for this thread, bigger questions have to be asked about how we are changing the game for the future generations to compete
But we're not that bad though. We consistently qualify for major tournaments, and are usually in or just outside the FIFA top 10, we are always top seeds in the qualifying groups. WC 94 and Euro 08 are the only qualification failures in the last 25 years.
Does that mean we are good enough to expect to win? No. Does that mean we should be doing better in tournaments? Yes. Whether it's tactics, tiredness, apathy or penalty shootouts, we've underperformed in too many recent tournaments. Under Eriksson we consistently got to the QF stage, which is about our level.
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name a more forward thinking English central midfielder?
Just be positive
Take a minute and have a good look at yourself.
What is your ridiculous aggression likely to achieve?
I always enjoy your insights into JJ. Always have done, but you've crossed a line.
It's great to see Shelvey play and play well but would he have been picked if others had been fit, despite deserving it.
I think Shelvey has done his case no harm with his performance and neither did Stones.
Delph wasn't in a top 4 side and he played regularly for England.
It's difficult for Hodgson cos players like Ox and Walcott aren't playing regularly for Arsenal but they offer something different for England, and they usually turn in a good performance.
Those outside those parameters are Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Ireland and Scotland, twice each, Hungary and Ghana. I would argue that of that list, the only one that had no value was Hungary?
So by the start of the next major tournament, 11 matches against top quality opposition and 12 against supposedly less challenging opponents. I don't think that is a bad ratio?
Combine this with 2012's QF against Italy where we sat so deep we could've been watching the game in our living rooms with the England team, and the 2010 WC, missing out on Euro 2008, it's been shit.
I accept now we're miles behind in terms of technical ability, so I would rather see us adopt the attitude of the Irish teams around the turn of the millennium. Those boys really played for their shirts. That's all I ask from England now.
Unfortunately, and not for this thread, bigger questions have to be asked about how we are changing the game for the future generations to compete
The world cup we clearly thought we'd cracked it and it was an utter shambles. But... Despite out piss easy group I think England could actually play without fear and express themselves
Ok we aren't good, but it'll be nice not to be embarrassed for a change
Does that mean we are good enough to expect to win? No. Does that mean we should be doing better in tournaments? Yes. Whether it's tactics, tiredness, apathy or penalty shootouts, we've underperformed in too many recent tournaments. Under Eriksson we consistently got to the QF stage, which is about our level.