Rugby does nothing for me, except for the fact that the the referees do keep a firm grip on behavior. On Saturday we had to watch one of ours nod a head butt towards an opponent (should be a red card), and another walk halfway up the pitch to get involved in an argument which was nothing to do with him (got a yellow card). The general standard of refereeing in the Championship is very poor, why with all the money in the game ?
(tbf, in Wales and NZ everyone plays it, but they're both weird and in need of a niche sport to be good at)
(also I'm probably revelling a bit too much in being CL's resident posho. but f**k me, I'm nothing - have you heard any Zafar Ansari interviews? the kid's pure cut glass)
(tbf, in Wales and NZ everyone plays it, but they're both weird and in need of a niche sport to be good at)
(also I'm probably revelling a bit too much in being CL's resident posho. but f**k me, I'm nothing - have you heard any Zafar Ansari interviews? the kid's pure cut glass)
So how posh are you Leuth?
He dictates his posts to a servant who types for him
Hmmm - the whole rugby v football debate does my head in.
Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
Whilst I will want England to do well in the Rugby World Cup, or in any sport for that matter, the inevitable "why can't the footballers be more like this" nonsense will do my head in.
Particularly coming from those who don't really watch much of either sport, but want to look as though they know what they are talking about in front of their mates. Usually women - not all the time, but often.
Hmmm - the whole rugby v football debate does my head in.
Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
And if you went to the theatre you would find all of those attributes too.
Let's be honest the reason that there's less nonsense on and off the pitch in rugby is because it matters less. There's less money riding on it, less people in the stadium, the gap (economically) between the players come from and to whence they'll return if things do t work out is less, and there are far, far, far fewer people around the world watching. The stress is simply less.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Hmmm - the whole rugby v football debate does my head in.
Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
And if you went to the theatre you would find all of those attributes too.
Let's be honest the reason that there's less nonsense on and off the pitch in rugby is because it matters less. There's less money riding on it, less people in the stadium, the gap (economically) between the players come from and to whence they'll return if things do t work out is less, and there are far, far, far fewer people around the world watching. The stress is simply less.
Yes I remember going to the Saracens game last March with just 84,000+ people there thinking there must be no stress for the lads on the pitch. The ghostly atmosphere at a Wasps Leicester game a few years ago with a paltry 60,000 plus was dreadful.
Top 50 games over the past decade have all been above 60,000 with 15 over 80,000. Not Man U but also way beyond the Championship.
Hmmm - the whole rugby v football debate does my head in.
Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
And if you went to the theatre you would find all of those attributes too.
Let's be honest the reason that there's less nonsense on and off the pitch in rugby is because it matters less. There's less money riding on it, less people in the stadium, the gap (economically) between the players come from and to whence they'll return if things do t work out is less, and there are far, far, far fewer people around the world watching. The stress is simply less.
That's completely ridiculous. People play the game for a living. How on earth can you tell them 'it matters less' just because it doesn't have the same Sky millions pumped into it and you personally don't like it.
Hmmm - the whole rugby v football debate does my head in.
Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
And if you went to the theatre you would find all of those attributes too.
Let's be honest the reason that there's less nonsense on and off the pitch in rugby is because it matters less. There's less money riding on it, less people in the stadium, the gap (economically) between the players come from and to whence they'll return if things do t work out is less, and there are far, far, far fewer people around the world watching. The stress is simply less.
Yes I remember going to the Saracens game last March with just 84,000+ people there thinking there must be no stress for the lads on the pitch. The ghostly atmosphere at a Wasps Leicester game a few years ago with a paltry 60,000 plus was dreadful.
Top 50 games over the past decade have all been above 60,000 with 15 over 80,000. Not Man U but also way beyond the Championship.
You aren't comparing apples for apples though are you ? A big, one off rugby game attracts a lot of people - no doubt. But rugby has nothing like the cumulative attendances that football commands, it's almost laughable to compare the two. Television deals are driven by viewing numbers, subscriptions and the value that advertisers are willing to pay - what are the revenues for England's top rugby league compared to its top football league ? Again it's hilarious to compare the two. The reason for the discrepancy is that one is the most popular sport on earth, the other isn't even the most popular sport in its county of origin. As I said, football simply matters more.
Hmmm - the whole rugby v football debate does my head in.
Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
And if you went to the theatre you would find all of those attributes too.
Let's be honest the reason that there's less nonsense on and off the pitch in rugby is because it matters less. There's less money riding on it, less people in the stadium, the gap (economically) between the players come from and to whence they'll return if things do t work out is less, and there are far, far, far fewer people around the world watching. The stress is simply less.
That's completely ridiculous. People play the game for a living. How on earth can you tell them 'it matters less' just because it doesn't have the same Sky millions pumped into it and you personally don't like it.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
It matters more to football fans. Only. Try and see the point.
As a % of the world population football matters to far, far more than rugby - try and understand statics.
Relatively of course your right, but that same argument makes the tiddlywinks final as important as the (football) World Cup final.
Football simply matters more (to more).
But your original argument was that rugby players respect the ref and the fans treat each other better as 'it matters less'. So why would more people liking football make rugby not matter to those that are there watching and playing, and the basis for your argument?
(tbf, in Wales and NZ everyone plays it, but they're both weird and in need of a niche sport to be good at)
(also I'm probably revelling a bit too much in being CL's resident posho. but f**k me, I'm nothing - have you heard any Zafar Ansari interviews? the kid's pure cut glass)
It matters more to football fans. Only. Try and see the point.
As a % of the world population football matters to far, far more than rugby - try and understand statics.
Relatively of course your right, but that same argument makes the tiddlywinks final as important as the (football) World Cup final.
Football simply matters more (to more).
But your original argument was that rugby players respect the ref and the fans treat each other better as 'it matters less'. So why would more people liking football make rugby not matter to those that are there watching and playing, and the basis for your argument?
Because there's much less riding on it, thus less pressure on the players.
Don't get me wrong footballers aren't saints, and I don't dislike rugby, but to compare the pressure and scrutiny (apples for apples) that footballers are under to rugby is madness.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
It matters more to football fans. Only. Try and see the point.
As a % of the world population football matters to far, far more than rugby - try and understand statics.
Relatively of course your right, but that same argument makes the tiddlywinks final as important as the (football) World Cup final.
Football simply matters more (to more).
But your original argument was that rugby players respect the ref and the fans treat each other better as 'it matters less'. So why would more people liking football make rugby not matter to those that are there watching and playing, and the basis for your argument?
Because there's much less riding on it, thus less pressure on the players.
Don't get me wrong footballers aren't saints, and I don't dislike rugby, but to compare the pressure and scrutiny (apples for apples) that footballers are under to rugby is madness.
Can see where you are coming from but still disagree that is what makes people behave badly.
Just as an example, the following is Sam Warburton (the Wales captain) getting sent off, harshly, in the 2011 RWC. Firstly, this was the only time Wales have ever reached the semi finals. Secondly, remember rugby is much bigger in Wales than football, so you'd argue that your stats about people caring are flipped in this case.
Anyway watch his reaction (you have to wait for the replays) to the red card that pretty much cost his team a world cup final. No arguing, nothing.
As I've stated earlier in this thread, people comparing the morales of the two sports does get on my tits. They are different sports, and followers of each sport are just as bad at doing it. Having said that, I have put this post up to show that rugby players can be under more pressure, and still respect referees. Something, as a football fan, I wish footballers could do as well.
Scrum and fly halves have to be way more intelligent and read a game far more than any footballer but if you haven't played the game or don't like it then I wouldn't expect anyone to understand that. The dirty stuff that goes on in rugby can genuinely hurt (thumb in eye socket stands out, and having my testicles crushed) but generally there is a kind of honour in rugby that there isn't in football. The stuff with referees is a load of bollocks in football, the only thing I'd like to see come over from rugby to football is the behaviour towards the referee
Other than that, they are different games and should not generally be compared. I love both for different reasons
It matters more to football fans. Only. Try and see the point.
As a % of the world population football matters to far, far more than rugby - try and understand statics.
Relatively of course your right, but that same argument makes the tiddlywinks final as important as the (football) World Cup final.
Football simply matters more (to more).
But your original argument was that rugby players respect the ref and the fans treat each other better as 'it matters less'. So why would more people liking football make rugby not matter to those that are there watching and playing, and the basis for your argument?
Because there's much less riding on it, thus less pressure on the players.
Don't get me wrong footballers aren't saints, and I don't dislike rugby, but to compare the pressure and scrutiny (apples for apples) that footballers are under to rugby is madness.
Can see where you are coming from but still disagree that is what makes people behave badly.
Just as an example, the following is Sam Warburton (the Wales captain) getting sent off, harshly, in the 2011 RWC. Firstly, this was the only time Wales have ever reached the semi finals. Secondly, remember rugby is much bigger in Wales than football, so you'd argue that your stats about people caring are flipped in this case.
Anyway watch his reaction (you have to wait for the replays) to the red card that pretty much cost his team a world cup final. No arguing, nothing.
As I've stated earlier in this thread, people comparing the morales of the two sports does get on my tits. They are different sports, and followers of each sport are just as bad at doing it. Having said that, I have put this post up to show that rugby players can be under more pressure, and still respect referees. Something, as a football fan, I wish footballers could do as well.
Absolutely- it was incredibly upsetting for him the poor lamb, and I'm sure for his principality it was very sad too, but in general terms it really didn't matter.
Assuming you accept that the footballing equivalent is being sent off harshly in the football World Cup there would be ten times (probably literally) as many people watching you - therefore the pressure is greater and thus your actions are going to be less rational as a consequence of that - that could even go as far as saying nasty things to a referee.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Simply difference is rugby refs punish any form of dissent with quite a strong punishment whereas the likes of Rooney and co get away with blue murder pretty much.
I just think the refs don't have the bottle or strength to book/sent off players in football for verbal abuse.
Some get booked for kicking the ball away and the goalie does on occasion for time wasting but never for dissent.
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Clearly I am a bigger football fan - to spend the time and money we do on Charlton Athletic requires that and then some!
But I also like other sports - so many football fans cant open their eyes to any other sport and think the whole world revolves around a game which lets not forget is governed by FIFA. Its not exactly without flaw!
As I said, football will always be my preference. But I will be watching the World Cup with interest. Not only do we have a team that are not a bunch of chavvy losers like the football team, but it will be a great occasion for the country. Other aspects that I prefer about the whole rugby experience:
- Fans are not so neanderthal in nature that they cant be trusted to sit together
- I can take my son to Twickenham without worrying about some pikey chav screaming swear words in his ear every 10 seconds.
- Fans can be trusted to have a drink in their seats and not kill each other
- Players have respect for the referee and the ref is allowed to be heard by microphone on air (the footballers would turn the air blue after 10 secs)
- Can you imagine the Adams Family song being sung at Twickenham?
Particularly coming from those who don't really watch much of either sport, but want to look as though they know what they are talking about in front of their mates. Usually women - not all the time, but often.
"Real mans game" - do one.
Let's be honest the reason that there's less nonsense on and off the pitch in rugby is because it matters less. There's less money riding on it, less people in the stadium, the gap (economically) between the players come from and to whence they'll return if things do t work out is less, and there are far, far, far fewer people around the world watching. The stress is simply less.
I would pay to see the result.
Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
The ghostly atmosphere at a Wasps Leicester game a few years ago with a paltry 60,000 plus was dreadful.
Top 50 games over the past decade have all been above 60,000 with 15 over 80,000.
Not Man U but also way beyond the Championship.
Only.
Try and see the point.
#Doffs hat.
They wouldn't change my mind!
Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
Relatively of course your right, but that same argument makes the tiddlywinks final as important as the (football) World Cup final.
Football simply matters more (to more).
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
Don't get me wrong footballers aren't saints, and I don't dislike rugby, but to compare the pressure and scrutiny (apples for apples) that footballers are under to rugby is madness.
I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right.
But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Just as an example, the following is Sam Warburton (the Wales captain) getting sent off, harshly, in the 2011 RWC. Firstly, this was the only time Wales have ever reached the semi finals. Secondly, remember rugby is much bigger in Wales than football, so you'd argue that your stats about people caring are flipped in this case.
Anyway watch his reaction (you have to wait for the replays) to the red card that pretty much cost his team a world cup final. No arguing, nothing.
As I've stated earlier in this thread, people comparing the morales of the two sports does get on my tits. They are different sports, and followers of each sport are just as bad at doing it. Having said that, I have put this post up to show that rugby players can be under more pressure, and still respect referees. Something, as a football fan, I wish footballers could do as well.
No little skill involved but different skills.
Scrum and fly halves have to be way more intelligent and read a game far more than any footballer but if you haven't played the game or don't like it then I wouldn't expect anyone to understand that. The dirty stuff that goes on in rugby can genuinely hurt (thumb in eye socket stands out, and having my testicles crushed) but generally there is a kind of honour in rugby that there isn't in football. The stuff with referees is a load of bollocks in football, the only thing I'd like to see come over from rugby to football is the behaviour towards the referee
Other than that, they are different games and should not generally be compared. I love both for different reasons
Assuming you accept that the footballing equivalent is being sent off harshly in the football World Cup there would be ten times (probably literally) as many people watching you - therefore the pressure is greater and thus your actions are going to be less rational as a consequence of that - that could even go as far as saying nasty things to a referee.
You like the game for fatties, I don't.
If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
I just think the refs don't have the bottle or strength to book/sent off players in football for verbal abuse.
Some get booked for kicking the ball away and the goalie does on occasion for time wasting but never for dissent.