He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
In most games of football, the referee (if there is one!) only gets involved when the players cannot agree about something. Good referees just let the players get on with it.
But it is virtually impossible to play rugby without a referee. The referee often tells the players what to do while the ball is in play and gives penalties if they don't do what he/she says.
Simply difference is rugby refs punish any form of dissent with quite a strong punishment whereas the likes of Rooney and co get away with blue murder pretty much.
I just think the refs don't have the bottle or strength to book/sent off players in football for verbal abuse.
Some get booked for kicking the ball away and the goalie does on occasion for time wasting but never for dissent.
and at the same time, you can batter someone and only get a little spell on the naughty step...
I think it is quite sad, and a reflection of the world in general that the amount of money at stake is an issue to some. As if any top level sportsman ever took to the pitch and thought, "I'm only earning two grand a month for doing this, I don't think I'll try too hard today".
Like people who feel they have to have a bet because "It matters more when there's money on it".
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
What makes kicking a ball so much more skillfull than throwing a ball? Throwing a rugby ball at pace, and with accuracy, is just as hard as punting a ball 30 yards.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
What makes kicking a ball so much more skillfull than throwing a ball? Throwing a rugby ball at pace, and with accuracy, is just as hard as punting a ball 30 yards.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Love rugby at Blackheath. I go because Charlton invariably piss me off when i watch them live. Rugby is by no means a better game than football, its rules are inexplicable and it could never give me the buzz a good football game can. As for all the keyboard warriors on here though with all the "fat blokes" jibes... please PLEASE pop along and re-iterate that to the lads, that would round off the days entertainment nicely.
Love rugby at Blackheath. I go because Charlton invariably piss me off when i watch them live. Rugby is by no means a better game than football, its rules are inexplicable and it could never give me the buzz a good football game can. As for all the keyboard warriors on here though with all the "fat blokes" jibes... please PLEASE pop along and re-iterate that to the lads, that would round off the days entertainment nicely.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl) n. 1. a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. b. A developed talent or ability. c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
What has shown up rugger buggers in this interesting thread, is that they go on about all footballers being 'poofs and fairies' etc but as soon as you sling some back i.e. 'played by fat blokes' they get all hand waving protective, intimating, go and tell Blackheaths No 8 that, after he's finished drinking a pint of piss he's gonna fill you in....really! Do f*uk off!
What has shown up rugger buggers in this interesting thread, is that they go on about all footballers being 'poofs and fairies' etc but as soon as you sling some back i.e. 'played by fat blokes' they get all hand waving protective, intimating, go and tell Blackheaths No 8 that, after he's finished drinking a pint of piss he's gonna fill you in....really! Do f*uk off!
Pretty sure no footballers have been called 'poofs' etc on this thread. You are forgetting that those of us on here are football fans, who also happen to like another sport. What has been said numerous times is, comparing the sports is stupid as they are different, but one thing that football could take would be respecting the referee.
Not really sure why any decent human wouldn't want that to be honest.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl) n. 1. a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. b. A developed talent or ability. c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
I dont remember calling you names. Keep it relevant and above board, I thought you rugger types had class....oh well!
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do. When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl) n. 1. a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. b. A developed talent or ability. c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
I dont remember calling you names. Keep it relevant and above board, I thought you rugger types had class....oh well!
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do. When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
We are going to keep going round in circles until you can grasp what a skill actually is.
Even a front row forward getting his technique right in a scrum is a skill. Under appreciated by me, and I imagine not at all appreciated by you, but a skill nonetheless.
These are different types of skill to what is required in football. In football there are a lot less skill types required, as effectively 'kicking' covers a lot of it. (That's not a dig, that's a fact, and that is why football is the most globally played sport as fundamentally it is simple).
To say that rugby is a game devoid of skill is laughable, and while you may not appreciate the skills on show, they are skills nonetheless.
Your argument is a bit like me saying Lewis Hamilton isn't a skilled driver. I don't like motorsport, and I drive everyday so it must be easy right?
Let's be honest, he's pretty skillful though isn't he?
Greenie, by your logic table tennis doesn't involve any skill because they use their hands.
You rightly say that kicking accurately is a difficult skill - well it is needed quite a lot in rugby, not just for conversions but for when the ball is kicked over the top for the forwards to run on to or when they try and kick it into touch with one bounce.
A key aspect of skill is judgement, for example in judging just how hard to kick or when to time a pass. Both are crucial in rugby.
Greenie said............"And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!"
Tackling front on Tackling from the side Tackling from behind ( oooher) Tackling into touch Tackling a receiver from a high kick Tap Tackle Line out throwing Line out receiving Srummaging Clearing out a ruck Rucking Mauling Defending a maul Catching and calling the mark Patterns of attack play Defending said attacks Grubber kick Up and Under kick Cross field kick One handed release from tackle Kicking down the line Drop goal Charging down Rush Defense
Greenie, by your logic table tennis doesn't involve any skill because they use their hands.
You rightly say that kicking accurately is a difficult skill - well it is needed quite a lot in rugby, not just for conversions but for when the ball is kicked over the top for the forwards to run on to or when they try and kick it into touch with one bounce.
A key aspect of skill is judgement, for example in judging just how hard to kick or when to time a pass. Both are crucial in rugby.
No it does not, there is a great amount of skill, because the player is using an object, the bat, to hit and spin the ball, very skilful, same as cricket a very skilful game, whether batsmen or bowler.
Greenie said............"And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!"
Tackling front on Tackling from the side Tackling from behind ( oooher) Tackling into touch Tackling a receiver from a high kick Tap Tackle Line out throwing Line out receiving Srummaging Clearing out a ruck Rucking Mauling Defending a maul Catching and calling the mark Patterns of attack play Defending said attacks Grubber kick Up and Under kick Cross field kick One handed release from tackle Kicking down the line Drop goal Charging down Rush Defense
Not a hundred .........Greenie must be right
Ill give you the kicking (but for real skill watch the beautiful game), but please explain tacking as a skill??? And as for 'charging down' do me a favour, that gave me right laugh.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl) n. 1. a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. b. A developed talent or ability. c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
I dont remember calling you names. Keep it relevant and above board, I thought you rugger types had class....oh well!
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do. When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
We are going to keep going round in circles until you can grasp what a skill actually is.
Even a front row forward getting his technique right in a scrum is a skill. Under appreciated by me, and I imagine not at all appreciated by you, but a skill nonetheless.
These are different types of skill to what is required in football. In football there are a lot less skill types required, as effectively 'kicking' covers a lot of it. (That's not a dig, that's a fact, and that is why football is the most globally played sport as fundamentally it is simple).
To say that rugby is a game devoid of skill is laughable, and while you may not appreciate the skills on show, they are skills nonetheless.
Your argument is a bit like me saying Lewis Hamilton isn't a skilled driver. I don't like motorsport, and I drive everyday so it must be easy right?
Let's be honest, he's pretty skillful though isn't he?
It isn't though is it, I never said rugby is not skilled because I dont like it, did I. WTF? Ridiculous comment.
He just wants to referee a sport that that has some skill. Always makes me laugh when rugger buggers give it the big un about lack of discipline in football, when the reality is that in rugby the snide shit that goes on in the scums and rucks and also blind side punching etc is far worse. Shit sport for fat blokes.
Oh how I would LOVE you to say that to, oh I dont know, Dan Carter. I would pay to see the result. Or this fat bloke
I'd pay double to see you whisper that in front of this lot.
Why what would they do? Will I get duffed up? They wouldn't change my mind! Shit sport with fuck all skill level unless they're kicking a conversion.
A more ignorant comment has not been posted since someone last defended Tony Blair.
A sport for fat blokes - no retraction forthcoming?
No mate. I don't know how many times I gotta say it.
Look, I know we lost, but slagging off another sport with a demonstrably false statement isn't helping your case. Saying something that is patently wrong many times doesn't make it right. But carry on saying it if it makes you feel better.
Look, I said it before we lost, not that has anything to do with it. You like the game for fatties, I don't. If you enjoy it crack on I prefer sports based on skill and not brute force.
No issue with people not liking other sports, hey I find F1 very dull when others find it thrilling, but to slag something off with ridiculous made up statements is slightly off IMO.
'Only played by fatties'....'no skill involved'....hmm. I suggest you go against everything you believe in and tune into a couple of the world cup games if you want to see what it is really about.
Show me an everyday example of skill in rugby then. Lets look at it objectively, the ball (shaped for catching) is passed directly to someone, not in front and not behind, lets face it most people can catch. At the line outs they dont even have to jump, they are lifted, so brute force not skill. You have two types of rugby players, those that can run fast (not a skill) and those that are big units (again being a big guy is not a skill). The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion, but if kicking a ball floats your boat then watch the beautiful game (its called that for a reason). Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill. Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl) n. 1. a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. b. A developed talent or ability. c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
I dont remember calling you names. Keep it relevant and above board, I thought you rugger types had class....oh well!
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do. When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
We are going to keep going round in circles until you can grasp what a skill actually is.
Even a front row forward getting his technique right in a scrum is a skill. Under appreciated by me, and I imagine not at all appreciated by you, but a skill nonetheless.
These are different types of skill to what is required in football. In football there are a lot less skill types required, as effectively 'kicking' covers a lot of it. (That's not a dig, that's a fact, and that is why football is the most globally played sport as fundamentally it is simple).
To say that rugby is a game devoid of skill is laughable, and while you may not appreciate the skills on show, they are skills nonetheless.
Your argument is a bit like me saying Lewis Hamilton isn't a skilled driver. I don't like motorsport, and I drive everyday so it must be easy right?
Let's be honest, he's pretty skillful though isn't he?
It isn't though is it, I never said rugby is not skilled because I dont like it, did I. WTF? Ridiculous comment.
You said it's not skilled because it is simply doing something that we do everyday and everybody can do.
As demonstrated above, catching is not the only skill involved in rugby so that effectively undermines the basis for your argument.
To be honest though, this is going round in circles. It is clear you only recognise skills that you want to, and only when you can grasp that skills can take many different guises will you understand why people are disagreeing with your broad statement of 'rugby has no skill'.
The World Cup. The Final. The last second. The most important match of your life. That is the point at which you can demonstrate how much skill you've got. Get it right and you win the World Cup, you're immortalised in English sport and you're knighted.
"The ball came to me. I ran forwards and looked up. I thought to myself "hit it as hard as you can". I knew that, if I hit it hard enough, it would fly miles past, into the crowd, and, by the time the ball had come back, the ref would have blown the whistle and the game would be over and we'd have won. I hit it and, to my surprise, it went in".
"The ball came to me. I shaped to kick with my left foot, but the angle was covered by an opponent. So I shifted my weight, sent the opponent the wrong way and kicked for goal with my right foot. I knew it would go over as I had practised and practised and practised scoring, with either foot, for years".
Now, tell me again, what was the sport you said required no skill..?
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl) n. 1. a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. b. A developed talent or ability. c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
I dont remember calling you names. Keep it relevant and above board, I thought you rugger types had class....oh well!
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do. When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
We are going to keep going round in circles until you can grasp what a skill actually is.
Even a front row forward getting his technique right in a scrum is a skill. Under appreciated by me, and I imagine not at all appreciated by you, but a skill nonetheless.
These are different types of skill to what is required in football. In football there are a lot less skill types required, as effectively 'kicking' covers a lot of it. (That's not a dig, that's a fact, and that is why football is the most globally played sport as fundamentally it is simple).
To say that rugby is a game devoid of skill is laughable, and while you may not appreciate the skills on show, they are skills nonetheless.
Your argument is a bit like me saying Lewis Hamilton isn't a skilled driver. I don't like motorsport, and I drive everyday so it must be easy right?
Let's be honest, he's pretty skillful though isn't he?
It isn't though is it, I never said rugby is not skilled because I dont like it, did I. WTF? Ridiculous comment.
You said it's not skilled because it is simply doing something that we do everyday and everybody can do.
As demonstrated above, catching is not the only skill involved in rugby so that effectively undermines the basis for your argument.
To be honest though, this is going round in circles. It is clear you only recognise skills that you want to, and only when you can grasp that skills can take many different guises will you understand why people are disagreeing with your broad statement of 'rugby has no skill'.
You haven't demonstrated it though have you, its just your opinion. Some are disagreeing, and that is great, but most recognise Rugby as a minority game of very little skill, played by blokes who can either run fast or are lumps, a bit like Basketball, if you are under 6 foot you wont have a chance, however the dribbling involved in basketball is very skilful. Also the not passing forward in Rugby is ridiculous and makes no sense, its almost as if the law writers said, "look its pretty crap. lets only pass the ball backwards to make it interesting." Its a bit like saying Football is too skilful, I know lets tie their showcase tougher to make it less so (actually I think Fox did this last night). I never said Rugby matches are not exciting, they can be and I hope we win the WC, but just see it for what it is....80 mins of fun for wobble bottoms.
The World Cup. The Final. The last second. The most important match of your life. That is the point at which you can demonstrate how much skill you've got. Get it right and you win the World Cup, you're immortalised in English sport and you're knighted.
"The ball came to me. I ran forwards and looked up. I thought to myself "hit it as hard as you can". I knew that, if I hit it hard enough, it would fly miles past, into the crowd, and, by the time the ball had come back, the ref would have blown the whistle and the game would be over and we'd have won. I hit it and, to my surprise, it went in".
"The ball came to me. I shaped to kick with my left foot, but the angle was covered by an opponent. So I shifted my weight, sent the opponent the wrong way and kicked for goal with my right foot. I knew it would go over as I had practised and practised and practised scoring, with either foot, for years".
Now, tell me again, what was the sport you said required no skill..?
FFS - the kicking is the skilled part, never argued that, as for dropping a shoulder with the ball at your feet, like that? Then watch football.
The World Cup. The Final. The last second. The most important match of your life. That is the point at which you can demonstrate how much skill you've got. Get it right and you win the World Cup, you're immortalised in English sport and you're knighted.
"The ball came to me. I ran forwards and looked up. I thought to myself "hit it as hard as you can". I knew that, if I hit it hard enough, it would fly miles past, into the crowd, and, by the time the ball had come back, the ref would have blown the whistle and the game would be over and we'd have won. I hit it and, to my surprise, it went in".
"The ball came to me. I shaped to kick with my left foot, but the angle was covered by an opponent. So I shifted my weight, sent the opponent the wrong way and kicked for goal with my right foot. I knew it would go over as I had practised and practised and practised scoring, with either foot, for years".
Now, tell me again, what was the sport you said required no skill..?
FFS - the kicking is the skilled part, never argued that, as for dropping a shoulder with the ball at your feet, like that? Then watch football.
"The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion"..?
You haven't demonstrated it though have you, its just your opinion. Some are disagreeing, and that is great, but most recognise Rugby as a minority game of very little skill, played by blokes who can either run fast or are lumps, a bit like Basketball, if you are under 6 foot you wont have a chance, however the dribbling involved in basketball is very skilful. Also the not passing forward in Rugby is ridiculous and makes no sense, its almost as if the law writers said, "look its pretty crap. lets only pass the ball backwards to make it interesting." Its a bit like saying Football is too skilful, I know lets tie their showcase tougher to make it less so (actually I think Fox did this last night). I never said Rugby matches are not exciting, they can be and I hope we win the WC, but just see it for what it is....80 mins of fun for wobble bottoms.
I thought the definition of 'skill', taken from the dictionary, would have cleared it up for you that things beside catching and kicking can be skills, but clearly not. It is not my opinion. Tackling, and getting the correct technique etc etc, for example is a skill. In your opinion it isn't, but factually, it is.
I never said you didn't say rugby couldn't be exciting. This whole debate has not been about that. It has been about the fact you said rugby requires no skill. It does, just you don't recognise it as such.
Starting to think you are just on the wind up now as your posts are getting more ridiculous as you go and I'm going to stop biting now. Enjoy the World Cup.
Ps. Google Shane Williams, Jason Robinson or Matt Giteau if you want three examples of players who had a chance despite being under 6foot. And no not just because they are fast or can catch well.
I'd like to see someone with no skill reverse pass the ball 30M whilst taking man and ball
Perhaps the skills in footie are more specific and concentrated. I remember when addidas did a campaign with Wilko and Beckham. To be fair becks took all of three attempts before he was converting kicks from half way line. In wilkos own words, "his foot is like my hand, his skill is out of this world"
Different gravy but hardly a game for fat mans, not been like that for 15-20 years
most recognise Rugby as a minority game of very little skill
Evidence?
You've accepted that the kicking is a real skill, and there is a lot of it in rugby, so surely that disproves your 'very little skill' comment.
When you're running at speed with the ball you need skill to know the exact moment to pass it, and to flick it so that it spins the way it does (I could never do that when I played rugby at school), plus the accuracy to get it to the man so that he hopefully doesn't have to break his stride. I don't know any everyday life situation when we need to do that.
As for tackling... if you get a tackle wrong then it can be very dangerous. Getting it right so that it stops the man without risking injury to either player is a skill.
The World Cup. The Final. The last second. The most important match of your life. That is the point at which you can demonstrate how much skill you've got. Get it right and you win the World Cup, you're immortalised in English sport and you're knighted.
"The ball came to me. I ran forwards and looked up. I thought to myself "hit it as hard as you can". I knew that, if I hit it hard enough, it would fly miles past, into the crowd, and, by the time the ball had come back, the ref would have blown the whistle and the game would be over and we'd have won. I hit it and, to my surprise, it went in".
"The ball came to me. I shaped to kick with my left foot, but the angle was covered by an opponent. So I shifted my weight, sent the opponent the wrong way and kicked for goal with my right foot. I knew it would go over as I had practised and practised and practised scoring, with either foot, for years".
Now, tell me again, what was the sport you said required no skill..?
FFS - the kicking is the skilled part, never argued that, as for dropping a shoulder with the ball at your feet, like that? Then watch football.
"The only skill in rugby is when a player takes a conversion"..?
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Now, I have never said that Rugby matches cannot be exciting, Im sure some are, but do not confuse your love and excitement for a sport as skill.
Oh yes BTW I played the game for 3 years.
But it is virtually impossible to play rugby without a referee. The referee often tells the players what to do while the ball is in play and gives penalties if they don't do what he/she says.
Like people who feel they have to have a bet because "It matters more when there's money on it".
It doesn't if you are a real sports fan.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl)
n.
1.
a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience.
b. A developed talent or ability.
c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
Not really sure why any decent human wouldn't want that to be honest.
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do.
When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
We are going to keep going round in circles until you can grasp what a skill actually is.
Even a front row forward getting his technique right in a scrum is a skill. Under appreciated by me, and I imagine not at all appreciated by you, but a skill nonetheless.
These are different types of skill to what is required in football. In football there are a lot less skill types required, as effectively 'kicking' covers a lot of it. (That's not a dig, that's a fact, and that is why football is the most globally played sport as fundamentally it is simple).
To say that rugby is a game devoid of skill is laughable, and while you may not appreciate the skills on show, they are skills nonetheless.
Your argument is a bit like me saying Lewis Hamilton isn't a skilled driver. I don't like motorsport, and I drive everyday so it must be easy right?
Let's be honest, he's pretty skillful though isn't he?
You rightly say that kicking accurately is a difficult skill - well it is needed quite a lot in rugby, not just for conversions but for when the ball is kicked over the top for the forwards to run on to or when they try and kick it into touch with one bounce.
A key aspect of skill is judgement, for example in judging just how hard to kick or when to time a pass. Both are crucial in rugby.
Tackling front on
Tackling from the side
Tackling from behind ( oooher)
Tackling into touch
Tackling a receiver from a high kick
Tap Tackle
Line out throwing
Line out receiving
Srummaging
Clearing out a ruck
Rucking
Mauling
Defending a maul
Catching and calling the mark
Patterns of attack play
Defending said attacks
Grubber kick
Up and Under kick
Cross field kick
One handed release from tackle
Kicking down the line
Drop goal
Charging down
Rush Defense
Not a hundred .........Greenie must be right
And as for 'charging down' do me a favour, that gave me right laugh.
Ridiculous comment.
As demonstrated above, catching is not the only skill involved in rugby so that effectively undermines the basis for your argument.
To be honest though, this is going round in circles. It is clear you only recognise skills that you want to, and only when you can grasp that skills can take many different guises will you understand why people are disagreeing with your broad statement of 'rugby has no skill'.
"The ball came to me. I ran forwards and looked up. I thought to myself "hit it as hard as you can". I knew that, if I hit it hard enough, it would fly miles past, into the crowd, and, by the time the ball had come back, the ref would have blown the whistle and the game would be over and we'd have won. I hit it and, to my surprise, it went in".
"The ball came to me. I shaped to kick with my left foot, but the angle was covered by an opponent. So I shifted my weight, sent the opponent the wrong way and kicked for goal with my right foot. I knew it would go over as I had practised and practised and practised scoring, with either foot, for years".
Now, tell me again, what was the sport you said required no skill..?
I'm not even going to justify this with a proper response as you clearly just won't get it, but that is frankly one of the most ridiculous post's I've seen.
Those of us that play the game, watch the game and can appreciate the game will understand why skill is involved in rugby.
I dread to think what level you played at for 3 years if you just think it is fat men running around with no skill.
Typical cop out, show me or tell me so I can understand then, the thing is, its just a came of catch, we can all catch.
I really don't want to cop out, I'm just quite frankly amazed at the stupidity of your line of argument.
Of course not everyone can catch to the same abilty. Simply get 5 people in a line, spin a ball at each of them and I bet you the catching success will differ.
Anyway, why is catching with a ball designed to be caught any different to being good at kicking with a ball designed to be kicked?!
There are hundreds of examples of skill in rugby I could show you, but unfortunately with you failing to recognise that catching is a skill then you will just dismiss them all as 'Nope, anyone can catch'.
As an aside, I have copied the definition of what a skill is below. Hopefully it will help you realise that there are other things out there besides kicking that can be a skill.
skill (skĭl)
n.
1.
a. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience.
b. A developed talent or ability.
c. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
Edit. This is of course just taking one facet of the game of rugby, catching. There are hundreds of other different skills required, a lot of which vary depending on position.
I dont remember calling you names. Keep it relevant and above board, I thought you rugger types had class....oh well!
Re Catching and kicking, you obviously dont get the difference between feet and hands....I can help, we use our hands for most things all day, our feet dont get used for much except walking, and then there is the unbelievable skill that some of the top footballers can do with their feet with a football, a skill that only a minute amount of the worlds population can do.
When I was at school and we played rugby even the Unit dwellers could catch.
And there are not 'hundreds of other different skills required', behave!
But like I say if you're happy that Rugby is your game, enjoy it. Its not for me and people who appreciate a skilled sport.
We are going to keep going round in circles until you can grasp what a skill actually is.
Even a front row forward getting his technique right in a scrum is a skill. Under appreciated by me, and I imagine not at all appreciated by you, but a skill nonetheless.
These are different types of skill to what is required in football. In football there are a lot less skill types required, as effectively 'kicking' covers a lot of it. (That's not a dig, that's a fact, and that is why football is the most globally played sport as fundamentally it is simple).
To say that rugby is a game devoid of skill is laughable, and while you may not appreciate the skills on show, they are skills nonetheless.
Your argument is a bit like me saying Lewis Hamilton isn't a skilled driver. I don't like motorsport, and I drive everyday so it must be easy right?
Let's be honest, he's pretty skillful though isn't he?
It isn't though is it, I never said rugby is not skilled because I dont like it, did I. WTF?
Ridiculous comment.
You said it's not skilled because it is simply doing something that we do everyday and everybody can do.
As demonstrated above, catching is not the only skill involved in rugby so that effectively undermines the basis for your argument.
To be honest though, this is going round in circles. It is clear you only recognise skills that you want to, and only when you can grasp that skills can take many different guises will you understand why people are disagreeing with your broad statement of 'rugby has no skill'.
You haven't demonstrated it though have you, its just your opinion.
Some are disagreeing, and that is great, but most recognise Rugby as a minority game of very little skill, played by blokes who can either run fast or are lumps, a bit like Basketball, if you are under 6 foot you wont have a chance, however the dribbling involved in basketball is very skilful.
Also the not passing forward in Rugby is ridiculous and makes no sense, its almost as if the law writers said, "look its pretty crap. lets only pass the ball backwards to make it interesting." Its a bit like saying Football is too skilful, I know lets tie their showcase tougher to make it less so (actually I think Fox did this last night).
I never said Rugby matches are not exciting, they can be and I hope we win the WC, but just see it for what it is....80 mins of fun for wobble bottoms.
Some are disagreeing, and that is great, but most recognise Rugby as a minority game of very little skill, played by blokes who can either run fast or are lumps, a bit like Basketball, if you are under 6 foot you wont have a chance, however the dribbling involved in basketball is very skilful.
Also the not passing forward in Rugby is ridiculous and makes no sense, its almost as if the law writers said, "look its pretty crap. lets only pass the ball backwards to make it interesting." Its a bit like saying Football is too skilful, I know lets tie their showcase tougher to make it less so (actually I think Fox did this last night).
I never said Rugby matches are not exciting, they can be and I hope we win the WC, but just see it for what it is....80 mins of fun for wobble bottoms.
I thought the definition of 'skill', taken from the dictionary, would have cleared it up for you that things beside catching and kicking can be skills, but clearly not. It is not my opinion. Tackling, and getting the correct technique etc etc, for example is a skill. In your opinion it isn't, but factually, it is.
I never said you didn't say rugby couldn't be exciting. This whole debate has not been about that. It has been about the fact you said rugby requires no skill. It does, just you don't recognise it as such.
Starting to think you are just on the wind up now as your posts are getting more ridiculous as you go and I'm going to stop biting now. Enjoy the World Cup.
Ps. Google Shane Williams, Jason Robinson or Matt Giteau if you want three examples of players who had a chance despite being under 6foot. And no not just because they are fast or can catch well.
Perhaps the skills in footie are more specific and concentrated. I remember when addidas did a campaign with Wilko and Beckham. To be fair becks took all of three attempts before he was converting kicks from half way line. In wilkos own words, "his foot is like my hand, his skill is out of this world"
Different gravy but hardly a game for fat mans, not been like that for 15-20 years
You've accepted that the kicking is a real skill, and there is a lot of it in rugby, so surely that disproves your 'very little skill' comment.
When you're running at speed with the ball you need skill to know the exact moment to pass it, and to flick it so that it spins the way it does (I could never do that when I played rugby at school), plus the accuracy to get it to the man so that he hopefully doesn't have to break his stride. I don't know any everyday life situation when we need to do that.
As for tackling... if you get a tackle wrong then it can be very dangerous. Getting it right so that it stops the man without risking injury to either player is a skill.