RD & KM (ed. insightful interview with Katrien, page 5)
It's like they are dangling a bit of cheese on a bit of string and every time we get a nibble and want more they move it away again and say fuck you thats your lot for a while. This is not just on the pitch with the squad its off the pitch too, Things like catering was supposed to be all brilliant then 5 minutes later just everyone was enjoying it, it went shit again.
Programme sellers disappeared. The £10 voucher for west upper fans who had to be moved was an absolute shambles and even resolving it was a joke.
Pretty bored of it all at the minute.
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Your last line says it all mate.
Don't understand what the aim is, don't really understand what it is that I'm supporting, don't really care that much anymore.12 -
JBG must be happy, sold the line that we were bringing in quality to get him to sign a new contract & we're a fucking shambles.25
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no. but i'm sure you will.colin1961 said:
Only few weeks back that Kashi was the bargain of the season , Big Mc was an idol of the fans all ready shall I go on .........Nicholas said:2 seasons on the trot we are 5 or 6 players short of a championship squad. Too many crappy foreigners who no one has ever heard for being brought in, in the hope that one or two may be decent so we can sell on for a profit. Too many crappy players again being brought on the cheap with the hope they are miraculously over their injuries problems.
It's like they are dangling a bit of cheese on a bit of string and every time we get a nibble and want more they move it away again and say fuck you thats your lot for a while. This is not just on the pitch with the squad its off the pitch too, Things like catering was supposed to be all brilliant then 5 minutes later just everyone was enjoying it, it went shit again.
Programme sellers disappeared. The £10 voucher for west upper fans who had to be moved was an absolute shambles and even resolving it was a joke.
Pretty bored of it all at the minute.39 -
Or maybe they just said we will double your money and no one else was that keen?charltonbob said:JBG must be happy, sold the line that we were bringing in quality to get him to sign a new contract & we're a fucking shambles.
As for RD, I like the idea of him (a genuine businessman who appears to have made a lot of money honourably), but his football philosophy is not successful so far in terms of results on the pitch. KM I have never thought to much of. Young, naive and no pedigree or experience. She is learning on the job but seems to lack the forethought to listen to others with experience.
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Who knows if they're that cheap , I wouldn't be so sure ...... Undisclosed bla blah blahNicholas said:Too many crappy players again being brought on the cheap with the hope they are miraculously over their injuries problems..
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Yeah we need FI and CY
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How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?25 -
Things could be worse, so nothing can be criticised. Helpful attitude that.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?31 -
Here they come.......
6 weeks ago all the "bloody foreigners"we're the bargains of the century, cool thread!12 - Sponsored links:
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Yeah the great players they signed when they first turned up, the genius that is Le Point, Who said Ba, Bergdich, Cabellos, Sarr were all bargains.
Ok your right they are wonderful. How do I buy a season ticket to see the new training ground.5 -
Spend in january.1
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Oh wow nice grass and training ground planning.Garrymanilow said:
Things could be worse, so nothing can be criticised. Helpful attitude that.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?
Other clubs must be so jealous, because they only have a decent football team.7 -
The trouble is unless we are in contention by January RD won't spend . Exactly the same as last year.Valley27000 said:Spend in january.
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All It takes is 2 or 3 games for things to swing either way...where we might be looking up the table again.
End of august, everything was looking great. All of a sudden in a matter of weeks, it's now looking typically the charlton complete sh*t style of hopelessness.
My fear, on this occasion is that I can't see us regaining positive form anytime soon, but football in general can suddenly surprise and be unpredictable.
The club is not what it used to be and it does not feel quite the same. This has been going on for years and talked about on here many with plenty of open heart honest essays.
Supporting any football club you have to prepare to take the rough with the smooth, but this is a different kind of rough that is hard to explain.
Initially, I think supporting this club, a lot of people partly fell in love with Charlton for certain reasons.... and some of those reasons most likely seem to be distant memories now...but you do have to move on with stuff if you can and try to get used to change.
I understand why so many fans say they now feel disconnected and bored. If we are winning, then it is bearable and good enough, but if where on a bad run then the whole thing is too overly sour and dull.
I actually miss the days when charlton lost a game and it would have a big enough impact to ruin my weekend.
I seem to have trailed off, ah yes Roland and Katrien...
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If I could write I would have also added something like this to my original post. My thoughts exactly.Dave2l said:All It takes is 2 or 3 games for things to swing either way...where we might be looking up the table again.
End of august, everything was looking great. All of a sudden in a matter of weeks, it's now looking typically the charlton complete sh*t style of hopelessness.
My fear, on this occasion is that I can't see us regaining positive form anytime soon, but football in general can suddenly surprise and be unpredictable.
The club is not what it used to be and it does not feel quite the same. This has been going on for years and talked about on here many with plenty of open heart honest essays.
Supporting any football club you have to prepare to take the rough with the smooth, but this is a different kind of rough that is hard to explain.
Initially, I think supporting this club, a lot of people partly fell in love with Charlton for certain reasons.... and some of those reasons most likely seem to be distant memories now...but you do have to move on with stuff if you can and try to get used to change.
I understand why so many fans say they now feel disconnected and bored. If we are winning, then it is bearable and good enough, but if where on a bad run then the whole thing is too overly sour and dull.
I actually miss the days when charlton lost a game and it would have a big enough impact to ruin my weekend.
I seem to have trailed off, ah yes Roland and Katrien...3 -
Oh, sorry. I didn't realise this was a one-sided thread, with no opportunity to present a counter-argument. I'll leave you to the gloom. Fill your boots.Garrymanilow said:
Things could be worse, so nothing can be criticised. Helpful attitude that.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?4 -
Both exaggerations, perhaps ?colin1961 said:
Only few weeks back that Kashi was the bargain of the season , Big Mc was an idol of the fans all ready shall I go on .........Nicholas said:2 seasons on the trot we are 5 or 6 players short of a championship squad. Too many crappy foreigners who no one has ever heard for being brought in, in the hope that one or two may be decent so we can sell on for a profit. Too many crappy players again being brought on the cheap with the hope they are miraculously over their injuries problems.
It's like they are dangling a bit of cheese on a bit of string and every time we get a nibble and want more they move it away again and say fuck you thats your lot for a while. This is not just on the pitch with the squad its off the pitch too, Things like catering was supposed to be all brilliant then 5 minutes later just everyone was enjoying it, it went shit again.
Programme sellers disappeared. The £10 voucher for west upper fans who had to be moved was an absolute shambles and even resolving it was a joke.
Pretty bored of it all at the minute.0 -
I make Colin right on that one (ouch)6
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I don't go to Charlton to admire the pitch, and whilst I am well aware of the benefits, I'm not that bothered about our training facilities. I've had great enjoyment over the years watching Charlton play on a crap pitch having spent the week training at ramshackle training ground.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?
We're not going bust - granted.
As for being relegated, that's part of football. I can live with that if we're skint, if people have made mistakes, if we've appointed a manager who we thought would be good but turned out to be terrible, or signed players who weren't as good as they were supposed to be. As long as the ultimate aim was to be the best that we could be, I don't mind if we fail.
Roland seems to aspire to tread water, to muddle through, to achieve mediocrity whilst balancing the books. Difficult to put into words, you either get it or you don't.31 - Sponsored links:
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There is nothing wrong with either of them.What is wrong is that 12 of the 18 squad today were inexperienced or unproven at this level-we don't have that many injured experienced players waiting to come back. The squad is too thin,full stop. Not the players or the manager's fault.razil said:I make Colin right on that one (ouch)
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How can a player be a bargain if his transfer fee is undisclosed?11
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Don't worry about JBG, he's earning a fortune. Worry about me who pays for my season ticket out of my salary which is probably a couple of weeks work for him.charltonbob said:JBG must be happy, sold the line that we were bringing in quality to get him to sign a new contract & we're a fucking shambles.
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You haven't presented a counter-argument though. You've just pointed out that things could be worse. That's not a counter-argument, it's a straw man. Incidentally, I never put forward a criticism either. I don't think things are that bad and I'm not in the gloom yet as things can turn around quickly, but there's a lot of things that can be improved about the current ownership and shooting down other people's arguments because we're not being run by the reincarnated Hitler isn't a sensible standpoint. It's just being silly.Chizz said:
Oh, sorry. I didn't realise this was a one-sided thread, with no opportunity to present a counter-argument. I'll leave you to the gloom. Fill your boots.Garrymanilow said:
Things could be worse, so nothing can be criticised. Helpful attitude that.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?17 -
Not every club in the championship is ready or capable of promotion. Those in the main that are, are spending more than they can afford in the vain hope of hitting the PL jackpot.
We are one of those clubs not good enough or ready to to challenge for promotion but we are better than last season and so far ahead of where we were the season before.
RD is building in a sensible way year on year to put us in the frame to challenge. This is not the year but we are progressing.
Those that want instant success are going to be disappointed.
It's been said this league is about small margins in defeat or victory. At the moment I believe we are on the wrong end of that but that can soon change.
We need striker options. Watt cannot carry the weight of responsibility on his own. Mak needs to get fit and adapt to the English game. Igor has some weird issue we cannot get to grips with and I think will be gone. KAG is too young to produce week in week out.
Time to get behind the team and the owner. I don't want him to spend money the club can't afford chasing an impossible dream.
If we are not stronger this time next year then I will start to question. But for now I am happy to support the owner, manager and players.
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The only reason I think we won't go down is because last season RD went for some experienced loanees /signings to get us through the mess not the hopeful punts that get us in the mess
If this fails to happen we are in trouble
There is no leadership on the pitch , lovely fella and player but as I've said before I don think Chris Solly has the character/personality to be captain
Luzon to me doesn't appear to have them playing for him and this is where he has to earn his corn and turn it around
The alleged buy at the end of loan fee for Big Mak is £2m as decent(ish) as he has been and obviously as our shit form continues, without him playing he will become even better , I'm not sure I think he's worth that much .... Still if he's the difference between staying up and relegation he'd be a bargain4 -
When will Luzon be sacked?colin1961 said:
Only few weeks back that Kashi was the bargain of the season , Big Mc was an idol of the fans all ready shall I go on .........Nicholas said:2 seasons on the trot we are 5 or 6 players short of a championship squad. Too many crappy foreigners who no one has ever heard for being brought in, in the hope that one or two may be decent so we can sell on for a profit. Too many crappy players again being brought on the cheap with the hope they are miraculously over their injuries problems.
It's like they are dangling a bit of cheese on a bit of string and every time we get a nibble and want more they move it away again and say fuck you thats your lot for a while. This is not just on the pitch with the squad its off the pitch too, Things like catering was supposed to be all brilliant then 5 minutes later just everyone was enjoying it, it went shit again.
Programme sellers disappeared. The £10 voucher for west upper fans who had to be moved was an absolute shambles and even resolving it was a joke.
Pretty bored of it all at the minute.0 -
'Stability', we're on our fourth manager. Possibly 5 by christmas.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?
You need to get the rose tinted glasses off.11 -
For some reason, we changed the way we were playing after the Wolves game. In the opening five games, we played quick passing, direct football and pressed the opposition. We won the ball back high up the pitch and got at the opposition.
From the Rotherham game onwards, we've played sideways-backwards-sideways, before crossing the halfway line and sat off the opposition. Our style of play has changed and it's easily contained. It looks like the players are going through the motions.
Something has happened in the group to change the dynamics. If I didn't know otherwise, I'd guess that the players are not happy with the coach, for whatever reason. It wouldn't be the first time, the dressing room has got the manager/coach the sack.16 -
Final paragraph sums up the tenure of the Belgians term so far.MrLargo said:
I don't go to Charlton to admire the pitch, and whilst I am well aware of the benefits, I'm not that bothered about our training facilities. I've had great enjoyment over the years watching Charlton play on a crap pitch having spent the week training at ramshackle training ground.Chizz said:How many times have we been relegated since they took over?
How many times have we been close to bankruptcy?
How many times have we been evicted from the ground and forced to share the worst stadium in the league?
In the last, say, seventy years, when has the pitch been properly invested in and been in better condition?
Since, say, the war*, when have we had better, realistic, funded, approved plans for training facilities? (Take your pick: Iraq, Falklands, WWII).
We may not be as high up in the football league as most of us want. But without the investment, stability and security that these people have brought to the club, there was always the possibility we wouldn't *be* in the football league.
Then who would we support?
We're not going bust - granted.
As for being relegated, that's part of football. I can live with that if we're skint, if people have made mistakes, if we've appointed a manager who we thought would be good but turned out to be terrible, or signed players who weren't as good as they were supposed to be. As long as the ultimate aim was to be the best that we could be, I don't mind if we fail.
Roland seems to aspire to tread water, to muddle through, to achieve mediocrity whilst balancing the books. Difficult to put into words, you either get it or you don't.4
