No one is suggesting arming school children, and you know it.
Who says the teachers or security team are 'good guys'?
Arming security will lead to innocent children being shot as a preventative because the security guards thought they had a gun. Just like the police in America do currently.
People who wish to commit illegal acts will do so no matter what laws are in place. Guns will always be available to those who want to commit a crime such as this, and they choose their targets where they can do the most damage. This campus was a "no gun zone", with no armed security. He was stopped as soon as another gun arrived, about eight minutes after he started shooting. He apparently was shooting people who identified themselves as Christians, and reports are saying that he admired the perpetrators of previous shootings. It's time to consider how these incidents are reported.
I very often want to commit mass murder at work but the fact that i don't have a gun in my glove box, man bag or desk has frustratingly stopped me so far. Perhaps if I move to the USA things will change for me.
I sometimes feel the same. I've come to the conclusion that poisoning the communal coffee would be just as effective as using a gun. Hope I've helped.
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
People who wish to commit illegal acts will do so no matter what laws are in place. Guns will always be available to those who want to commit a crime such as this, and they choose their targets where they can do the most damage. This campus was a "no gun zone", with no armed security. He was stopped as soon as another gun arrived, about eight minutes after he started shooting. He apparently was shooting people who identified themselves as Christians, and reports are saying that he admired the perpetrators of previous shootings. It's time to consider how these incidents are reported.
I very often want to commit mass murder at work but the fact that i don't have a gun in my glove box, man bag or desk has frustratingly stopped me so far. Perhaps if I move to the USA things will change for me.
Could you not use the most deadly joke ever written a la Monty Python?
Worked a treat when i was last tenpted to perform mass genocide.
No one is suggesting arming school children, and you know it.
Isn't that denying them their constitutional right to bear arms?
If it weren't true that would be funny. Lots of those at the college were of course adults so presumably could have pulled out their own piece if only the school rules had allowed them to carry and not get detention for it...
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
Yes it would. Like every other country that did it. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to get a gun illegally in the UK, even if I snapped tomorrow.
As an aside, you do realise how expensive hiring a security team for every single school in America would be right? Paid for by whom?
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
What is the point of us coming up with sensible ideas when for the last 7 years the most intelligent, balanced and visionary leader of any country in the world since ww2 has been pleading with the Fox News watching, bible bashing, nut jobs that seem to constitute a 1/3 of the population, to accept even smallest changes to gun control laws but to no avail?
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
Yes. Yes it would.
If only.
Fair enough but take me through the logic that massively reducing access to firearms would not result in less crime as a result of access to said weapons then, because I'm missing something in that case.
Oh dear, that's because nobody's paid a bit of attention to anything the weakest American President since WW2 has said in seven years.
That's OK then.
doesn't matter if people are killed all the time, let's not listen to the president because on mass killings because we don't like his other policies.
Let's pretend nothing can be done let's ignore what countries like Australia did to end masses killings.
Just as long as the constitutional right to own an AK47 or some other assault rifle isn't touched it doesn't matter if people get slaughtered. Their own fault for not being armed themselves, everyone else is to blame but not the lack of gun control, that is impossible.
I just don't understand any of it. Why would anyone want a gun that is only, really, useful for shooting at humans. It's not as though one can go 'hunting' with a handgun is it?
I understand why criminal gangs would want a gun, although as I understand it those people don't go into schools shooting children, but why would anyone else want one? A gun that you can attach to your belt to go to the supermarket? What possible event can they be expecting? If someone pulls a gun on me and asks me to give them my wallet, phone or watch I'd rather not have a gun otherwise I could give the impression that I'm going to use it and get shot. I don't own anything I'd risk getting shot to keep.
It's also disturbing that one has to announce that they are against guns. Fancy feeling the need to explain why you don't want everyone in Waitrose to have a gun on their belt. Until it is the norm for people to want fewer guns in the hands of the population I don't see how they can ever stop these mass murders from happening.
Confiscating legal firearms is not going to happen. The argument that "if guns were made illegal, only criminals would have guns" cannot be argued. The only people who would give up their guns are those who got them legally. I have to go into Baltimore regularly, to areas I wouldn't go out of choice. I have no protection as the gun carry laws are so stringent in Maryland. Those same laws do not stop Baltimore City having one of the highest gun murder rates in The U.S.
One of the things you hear about constantly over here is the War on Terror - Terrorism - the huge threat to our massive continent from the foreign bogey man. We are in the middle of an election campaign in Canada - it's a major election point. Everybody, especially those in the remotest rural hideouts in the middle of the prairies, needs to be protected from imminent death at the hands of a crazy terrorist. I don't recall a single mention of gun control in the election so far.
In the U.S. In the last 10 years
Deaths from terrorism - 300 Deaths from gun incidents - 300,000+
Unfortunately there is an increasingly US style mentality to gun control in Canada thanks to the odious Harper and his backers.
One of the things you hear about constantly over here is the War on Terror - Terrorism - the huge threat to our massive continent from the foreign bogey man. We are in the middle of an election campaign in Canada - it's a major election point. Everybody, especially those in the remotest rural hideouts in the middle of the prairies, needs to be protected from imminent death at the hands of a crazy terrorist. I don't recall a single mention of gun control in the election so far.
In the U.S. In the last 10 years
Deaths from terrorism - 300 Deaths from gun incidents - 300,000+
Unfortunately there is an increasingly US style mentality to gun control in Canada thanks to the odious Harper and his backers.
One of the things you hear about constantly over here is the War on Terror - Terrorism - the huge threat to our massive continent from the foreign bogey man. We are in the middle of an election campaign in Canada - it's a major election point. Everybody, especially those in the remotest rural hideouts in the middle of the prairies, needs to be protected from imminent death at the hands of a crazy terrorist. I don't recall a single mention of gun control in the election so far.
In the U.S. In the last 10 years
Deaths from terrorism - 300 Deaths from gun incidents - 300,000+
Unfortunately there is an increasingly US style mentality to gun control in Canada thanks to the odious Harper and his backers.
Forgetting 9/11?
Admittedly maths isn't my strong point, but the last time I checked 14 was more than 10....
One of the things you hear about constantly over here is the War on Terror - Terrorism - the huge threat to our massive continent from the foreign bogey man. We are in the middle of an election campaign in Canada - it's a major election point. Everybody, especially those in the remotest rural hideouts in the middle of the prairies, needs to be protected from imminent death at the hands of a crazy terrorist. I don't recall a single mention of gun control in the election so far.
In the U.S. In the last 10 years
Deaths from terrorism - 300 Deaths from gun incidents - 300,000+
Unfortunately there is an increasingly US style mentality to gun control in Canada thanks to the odious Harper and his backers.
Forgetting 9/11?
The yearly death rate from gun violence is around 30,000 so even factoring in that - the ratio is still skewed. I don't dispute that the prevention of terrorism is important, but the relevance of terrorism to every day life over here pales when compared to the chances of being gunned down by some loon with a gun legally purchased at the local gun fair with absolutely no background checks.
So serious question, given that there are millions of guns, legally owned and not, what is the answer? Confiscate the guns? Good luck with that. If not a single gun were sold from this day on, and all of the legal guns were turned in, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. If the NRA went away today, would gun crime be reduced? I think not. There are some clever people on here, what are their suggestions? Instead of criticizing American gun owners as "gun-toting nuts" come up with some sensible ideas, but keep in mind that new laws are ignored in just the same way that old laws are ignored by those that choose to ignore them.
Yes it would. Like every other country that did it. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to get a gun illegally in the UK, even if I snapped tomorrow.
As an aside, you do realise how expensive hiring a security team for every single school in America would be right? Paid for by whom?
Find a drug dealer, build up a rapport, ask about getting hold of a gun. Buy gun.
They had a gun problem, it got so bad they decided to act. They acted and it was successful. If you are saying that something similar wouldn't work in the US, at least tell us why. If everybody just keeps paraoting the line that nothing can be done then they'll be right and nothing will even be attempted.
The argument that if a security guard at the college had been armed then the massacre wouldn't have happened can neither be proved nor disproved. But arming the security guards is basically swapping the unlikely event someone will go nuts and come on campus and start shooting, with the more likely event that a low paid rent-a-cop will accidentally (or deliberately) shoot someone on campus. Bit of a sophie's choice. If you armed every college campus guard in the US I think you'd see less mass killings, but more deaths overall. Of course very few of those would be reported, and the majority that would reported would of course be "tragic accidents", but there'd be fewer headlines and everybody could keep their guns. It's the American way afterall.
Confiscating legal firearms is not going to happen. The argument that "if guns were made illegal, only criminals would have guns" cannot be argued. The only people who would give up their guns are those who got them legally. I have to go into Baltimore regularly, to areas I wouldn't go out of choice. I have no protection as the gun carry laws are so stringent in Maryland. Those same laws do not stop Baltimore City having one of the highest gun murder rates in The U.S.
Out of interest, under what circumstances would you consider using your gun then, assuming your in a place where you are allowed to carry it and not Maryland?
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Arming security will lead to innocent children being shot as a preventative because the security guards thought they had a gun. Just like the police in America do currently.
Worked a treat when i was last tenpted to perform mass genocide.
Christ you couldn't make it up.
As an aside, you do realise how expensive hiring a security team for every single school in America would be right? Paid for by whom?
1 gun = people get shot
0 guns = no one gets shot
1+ guns = people get shot
I don't understand why this is hard for some people to grasp.
That's OK then.
doesn't matter if people are killed all the time, let's not listen to the president because on mass killings because we don't like his other policies.
Let's pretend nothing can be done let's ignore what countries like Australia did to end masses killings.
Just as long as the constitutional right to own an AK47 or some other assault rifle isn't touched it doesn't matter if people get slaughtered. Their own fault for not being armed themselves, everyone else is to blame but not the lack of gun control, that is impossible.
I understand why criminal gangs would want a gun, although as I understand it those people don't go into schools shooting children, but why would anyone else want one? A gun that you can attach to your belt to go to the supermarket? What possible event can they be expecting? If someone pulls a gun on me and asks me to give them my wallet, phone or watch I'd rather not have a gun otherwise I could give the impression that I'm going to use it and get shot. I don't own anything I'd risk getting shot to keep.
It's also disturbing that one has to announce that they are against guns. Fancy feeling the need to explain why you don't want everyone in Waitrose to have a gun on their belt. Until it is the norm for people to want fewer guns in the hands of the population I don't see how they can ever stop these mass murders from happening.
In the U.S. In the last 10 years
Deaths from terrorism - 300
Deaths from gun incidents - 300,000+
Unfortunately there is an increasingly US style mentality to gun control in Canada thanks to the odious Harper and his backers.
Just restricting the sale of firearms going forward would be a start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia
They had a gun problem, it got so bad they decided to act. They acted and it was successful. If you are saying that something similar wouldn't work in the US, at least tell us why. If everybody just keeps paraoting the line that nothing can be done then they'll be right and nothing will even be attempted.
The argument that if a security guard at the college had been armed then the massacre wouldn't have happened can neither be proved nor disproved. But arming the security guards is basically swapping the unlikely event someone will go nuts and come on campus and start shooting, with the more likely event that a low paid rent-a-cop will accidentally (or deliberately) shoot someone on campus. Bit of a sophie's choice. If you armed every college campus guard in the US I think you'd see less mass killings, but more deaths overall. Of course very few of those would be reported, and the majority that would reported would of course be "tragic accidents", but there'd be fewer headlines and everybody could keep their guns. It's the American way afterall.