Said it was a waste of time! You don't understand what the Teesside branch did and how the tweet above means you can't blame Corbyn for it. Then another personal attack. Someone fetch the dunce hat.
It's also awful and disgusting that you found a way to use the deadliest antisemitic attack in modern American history as a way to turn it around into your pet cause of how much you hate Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.
If he, or significant or even not massive numbers of Labour Party MPs took this approach I'd be standing alongside you. And if they have, please point it out to me. But instead, you've had to go to the Stockton-on-Tees council. My knowledge of local British politics isn't great, but I'm pretty sure there's no saying of "As Stockton-on-Tees Council goes, so goes Britain."
Again, it's awful and disgusting and completely inexcusable. But so is trying to forward your own cause like this.
To be fair, HI hasn't had to go to Stockton-on-Tees, The Independent has done it for him, because virtually the entire media has a vested interest in ensuring Labour don't win the next election.
Now obviously the people involved in this refusal to condemn are twats, but they've obviously become entrenched in one half of a largely fabricated culture war, meaning that when the 'antisemitism' buzzword comes up, their predominant feeling is defensive and wanting nothing to do with it. When push comes to shove, these people almost certainly wouldn't actually oppress or harm Jewish people. I've seen no evidence that the Labour Party would do anything even remotely like that in practice (despite a few bad apples mouthing off).
Now we could either talk about racism by Tory voters, or we could get back on topic.
It's also awful and disgusting that you found a way to use the deadliest antisemitic attack in modern American history as a way to turn it around into your pet cause of how much you hate Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.
If he, or significant or even not massive numbers of Labour Party MPs took this approach I'd be standing alongside you. And if they have, please point it out to me. But instead, you've had to go to the Stockton-on-Tees council. My knowledge of local British politics isn't great, but I'm pretty sure there's no saying of "As Stockton-on-Tees Council goes, so goes Britain."
Again, it's awful and disgusting and completely inexcusable. But so is trying to forward your own cause like this.
To be fair, HI hasn't had to go to Stockton-on-Tees, The Independent has done it for him, because virtually the entire media has a vested interest in ensuring Labour don't win the next election.
Now obviously the people involved in this refusal to condemn are twats, but they've obviously become entrenched in one half of a largely fabricated culture war, meaning that when the 'antisemitism' buzzword comes up, their predominant feeling is defensive and wanting nothing to do with it. When push comes to shove, these people almost certainly wouldn't actually oppress or harm Jewish people. I've seen no evidence that the Labour Party would do anything even remotely like that in practice (despite a few bad apples mouthing off).
Now we could either talk about racism by Tory voters, or we could get back on topic.
Please do talk about racism in the Tory party. I condemn it in that party, from Trump, From Yaxley- Lennon, from Hames and from Labour.
Or is it ok to dismiss Tory racism as a "few bad apples" in the same way you can with the Corbyn party?
Labour councils don't help themselves when they mealy-mouth antisemitism - it's a cut-and-dried issue, and they're simply giving their enemies ammunition when they don't stand with Jewish people at times like this.
It does bear mentioning that in the very same article quoted, the secretary of the branch expressed his disagreement and dismay with the vote. So yes there are antisemitic elements of the Labour Party, same as there are members of every other party with appalling views. However until we get reports of a left wing nut job committing a mass shooting it remains an unequal comparison to me.
It does bear mentioning that in the very same article quoted, the secretary of the branch expressed his disagreement and dismay with the vote. So yes there are antisemitic elements of the Labour Party, same as there are members of every other party with appalling views. However until we get reports of a left wing nut job committing a mass shooting it remains an unequal comparison to me.
It does bear mentioning that in the very same article quoted, the secretary of the branch expressed his disagreement and dismay with the vote. So yes there are antisemitic elements of the Labour Party, same as there are members of every other party with appalling views. However until we get reports of a left wing nut job committing a mass shooting it remains an unequal comparison to me.
Pol pot didn't want to waste money on bullets.
Racism exists in all sectors of society - how it's addressed is the big issue.
It does bear mentioning that in the very same article quoted, the secretary of the branch expressed his disagreement and dismay with the vote. So yes there are antisemitic elements of the Labour Party, same as there are members of every other party with appalling views. However until we get reports of a left wing nut job committing a mass shooting it remains an unequal comparison to me.
Pol pot didn't want to waste money on bullets.
Racism exists in all sectors of society - how it's addressed is the big issue.
It does bear mentioning that in the very same article quoted, the secretary of the branch expressed his disagreement and dismay with the vote. So yes there are antisemitic elements of the Labour Party, same as there are members of every other party with appalling views. However until we get reports of a left wing nut job committing a mass shooting it remains an unequal comparison to me.
I agree that it's not a problem restricted to the Labour party. The person who proposed the motion and many others clearly don't share the view.
It was never a comparison between the shooting and the failure to condemn it. It was a valid comment on how certain people, who are activists within their party, reacted to the shooting and that the leadership of that party continues to be far too weak and slow to address the issue on their doorstep. One example could be dismissed as "bad apples", hundred of cases can't.
One of my first jobs was in Thousand Oaks. My first girlfriend lived there. My mum used to work there. A close friend lived there up until very recently.
Another senseless tragedy and it just seems so regular now with no solution in sight, or at least a will to try to address it. There's just too much money and power in the gun industry in the US, and unless a President comes in that owes nothing to the gun lobbies sadly it won't change.
Another senseless tragedy and it just seems so regular now with no solution in sight, or at least a will to try to address it. There's just too much money and power in the gun industry in the US, and unless a President comes in that owes nothing to the gun lobbies sadly it won't change.
Could anyone openly anti-gun even get elected in the first place? I seriously doubt it。
Another senseless tragedy and it just seems so regular now with no solution in sight, or at least a will to try to address it. There's just too much money and power in the gun industry in the US, and unless a President comes in that owes nothing to the gun lobbies sadly it won't change.
Could anyone openly anti-gun even get elected in the first place? I seriously doubt it。
That is the NRA false argument
They pitch it as pro-gun or anti-gun when it reality it should be no gun control v some gun control.
Another senseless tragedy and it just seems so regular now with no solution in sight, or at least a will to try to address it. There's just too much money and power in the gun industry in the US, and unless a President comes in that owes nothing to the gun lobbies sadly it won't change.
Could anyone openly anti-gun even get elected in the first place? I seriously doubt it。
That is the NRA false argument
They pitch it as pro-gun or anti-gun when it reality it should be no gun control v some gun control.
In 2010 Trump praised Obama for his stance for a ban on automatic weapons. Funny how he changed his mind when running for President.
evidently the suspect/shooter was .. (copied from BBC website report) Earlier this year, police mental health professionals interviewed and cleared him after sheriffs' deputies found him behaving "irate" and "erratically" at his home, said authorities. UNQUOTE .. this shows a flaw in the concept of 'due process', a fundamental democratic principle. Long was allowed to go about his business because there was no proof he'd committed a crime. He was suspect, but that is not good enough to get him locked up. In other lands where human rights and the rule of law applies only to what the authorities/government deem 'right' and the 'subject's rights' are either secondary or non-existent, Long might well have been confined to a prison or sanatorium until he proved his behaviour was satisfactory enough to allow him back into society.
USA is a democracy where it's a fundamental right in most states of the union to carry weapons, guns, even weapons capable of mass killings. The majority of the people of the USA and the US government so far deem that the incidence of mass shootings, or 'even' single murderous shootings are a price worth paying to maintain 'freedom for the individual'
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Now obviously the people involved in this refusal to condemn are twats, but they've obviously become entrenched in one half of a largely fabricated culture war, meaning that when the 'antisemitism' buzzword comes up, their predominant feeling is defensive and wanting nothing to do with it. When push comes to shove, these people almost certainly wouldn't actually oppress or harm Jewish people. I've seen no evidence that the Labour Party would do anything even remotely like that in practice (despite a few bad apples mouthing off).
Now we could either talk about racism by Tory voters, or we could get back on topic.
Or is it ok to dismiss Tory racism as a "few bad apples" in the same way you can with the Corbyn party?
Labour councils don't help themselves when they mealy-mouth antisemitism - it's a cut-and-dried issue, and they're simply giving their enemies ammunition when they don't stand with Jewish people at times like this.
However until we get reports of a left wing nut job committing a mass shooting it remains an unequal comparison to me.
RIP
It was never a comparison between the shooting and the failure to condemn it. It was a valid comment on how certain people, who are activists within their party, reacted to the shooting and that the leadership of that party continues to be far too weak and slow to address the issue on their doorstep. One example could be dismissed as "bad apples", hundred of cases can't.
One of my first jobs was in Thousand Oaks. My first girlfriend lived there. My mum used to work there. A close friend lived there up until very recently.
This one hits close to home.
Could also say ;
In short no. Knives are so ingrained in UK youth culture. Sadly these don't even shock me anymore
Could also say ;
In short no. Knives are so ingrained in UK youth culture. Sadly these don't even shock me anymore
Over 15000 gun deaths in the USA in 2017 - I think it may be a bigger problem.
Sounds like one of those immigrants from the Middle East or at least a dangerous person on that caravan from South America.
Shows how easy bullsh*t spreads.
At least the current President didn't revoke gun checks for mental illness...
They pitch it as pro-gun or anti-gun when it reality it should be no gun control v some gun control.
this shows a flaw in the concept of 'due process', a fundamental democratic principle. Long was allowed to go about his business because there was no proof he'd committed a crime. He was suspect, but that is not good enough to get him locked up.
In other lands where human rights and the rule of law applies only to what the authorities/government deem 'right' and the 'subject's rights' are either secondary or non-existent, Long might well have been confined to a prison or sanatorium until he proved his behaviour was satisfactory enough to allow him back into society.
USA is a democracy where it's a fundamental right in most states of the union to carry weapons, guns, even weapons capable of mass killings. The majority of the people of the USA and the US government so far deem that the incidence of mass shootings, or 'even' single murderous shootings are a price worth paying to maintain 'freedom for the individual'