Why does everybody hate Fraeye?
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They had more experience than Peeters, Luzon and Fraeyecolin1961 said:
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??Madz said:Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.2 -
Colin nobody takes your opinions seriously. If we end up in the second division you would still be defending them.1
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I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.0
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The Belgian Les Reed. End of.1
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No one hates him.
NI one hated Luzon.
No one hated Riga
No one hated Peeters8 -
Mate he's not even that.DamoNorthStand said:The Belgian Les Reed. End of.
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has KM had enough time to go through her very very extensive applicant review process ?
1 phone call" yes RD" ----about 2 seconds i should think.1 -
He touched me in my special place.0
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Agree - just in the sense that he is a coach / tactician who has no managerial roll of honour at all.se9addick said:
Mate he's not even that.DamoNorthStand said:The Belgian Les Reed. End of.
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Ignoring the laughable comparison to Champions League finalist and two time Bundesliga winner Jurgen Klopp, the difference to the Watford appointments is that two of their managers did actually have English experience (Zola, Oscar Garcia) and the other two had no connection to the Pozzo family of clubs in Sannino and Jokanovic. Sannino is probably the most similar appointment to Bob Peeters in that he was recognised from working in the same country as the owner and even though we/Watford fans would not have known him, he would have got it on merit.
The difference with Fraeye and Luzon is that they are in Roland's merry-go-round of managers who have not got the job on merit, they just happen to be the next one available when an opening arises and it does not appear to be a fair application process.6 - Sponsored links:
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We just hate spin, sliding into extreme mediocrity and the refusal by those in key positions to learn from their mistakesAFKABartram said:No one hates him.
NI one hated Luzon.
No one hated Riga
No one hated Peeters3 -
Jozef Venglos?Hovi's Biscuit said:
The best example in this case is Christian GrossAlgarveaddick said:
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...colin1961 said:
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??Madz said:Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.0 -
Isn't Fraeye rumoured to be the one who recommends the player's we should sign?
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Another good one. Just goes to show this sort of thing was going on even before the advent of the premiership!Algarveaddick said:
Jozef Venglos?Hovi's Biscuit said:
The best example in this case is Christian GrossAlgarveaddick said:
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...colin1961 said:
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??Madz said:Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.0 -
I don't hate him
I want him to be a huge success.
I have serious doubts that he is the right person for the job.
He does have 6 months experience as an assistant manager in England.
He has his coaching Uefa A licence.
He knows nearly all the players as he is Roland's top scout/recruiter.
He is listened to by Roland so might actually convince RD that more and better players are needed.
On the down side.
His management experience is very limited and at a very low level.
He has made numerous errors when scouting players for us.
He is part a network system that has consistently failed.
He has no existing first team coaches with current knowledge of the team to assist him.
we're on a bad run and in the relegation zone so attracting UK players will be hard.
The transfer window for Belgium players is closed.
His independence is debatable.
Having recommended so many if not all the signings he may feel the need to play them regardless of whether they are the best option so as to justify his recommendations.
His background and links to the network mean that many fans will react negatively so negating the usual new manager lift
His background and links to the network mean that some players will react negatively to him so negating the usual new manager lift.7 -
Actually, thinking about it, not one British manager or coach had any experience of managing or coaching before they were given their first job as a manager or coach, did they... Didn't think of that, did you Colin - ha!Hovi's Biscuit said:
Another good one. Just goes to show this sort of thing was going on even before the advent of the premiership!Algarveaddick said:
Jozef Venglos?Hovi's Biscuit said:
The best example in this case is Christian GrossAlgarveaddick said:
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...colin1961 said:
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??Madz said:Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
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I would very much like to know the criteria which has been used to determine that Fraeye is the best man to take us forward3
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He is available, obedient and relatively cheapse9addick said:I would very much like to know the criteria which has been used to determine that Fraeye is the best man to take us forward
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On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.1
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He's not even bloody available, presumably we'll have to pay his current club something ?Hovi's Biscuit said:
He is available, obedient and relatively cheapse9addick said:I would very much like to know the criteria which has been used to determine that Fraeye is the best man to take us forward
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So Cawley saying Fraeye is in. So glad a lot of thought went into that. To appoint a caretaker from abroad for the rest of the season shows they don't have a clue and take us for fools. Surely the best thing is to take some time and get the right person in long term even if it takes a week or two. Euell could have done as caretaker surely. But no they go for the first network manager they can think of. Brilliant
Charlton we are officially on a break2 -
Presumably severance packages in the Belgian regional leagues are not particularly expensive?se9addick said:
He's not even bloody available, presumably we'll have to pay his current club something ?Hovi's Biscuit said:
He is available, obedient and relatively cheapse9addick said:I would very much like to know the criteria which has been used to determine that Fraeye is the best man to take us forward
After all, it's not like Roland (who is a successful businessman) ever wastes money ;-)1 -
Glad I read this because I was just about to start a new thread based on that quote!vff said:On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
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I actually hate him. Sorry.AFKABartram said:No one hates him.
NI one hated Luzon.
No one hated Riga
No one hated Peeters1 -
http://thecharltonway.com/club-news/guy-luzon-sacked/Red_in_SE8 said:
Glad I read this because I was just about to start a new thread based on that quote!vff said:On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
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I don't hate Fraeye I hate that he represents a clueless dictator-type owner that is determined on sending us back to League One by appointing mindless yes men with little experience.
The club is a complete joke. The only way to stop this crap is to vote with your feet. I stopped going to The Valley and just go to away games. I feel much better that I can support my team without lining The Dictator's pockets.0 -
Colin, you get lots of LOLs but I've never seen you post a joke.colin1961 said:
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??Madz said:Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.4 -
Keith Peacock and Jason Euell would be a caretaker arrangement. Branding Fraeye as that is likely to be a way of easing him in in the hope a couple of results pacify the natives. Think Phil Parkinson in 2008. Murray went the opposite way wth Les Reed in 2006 and it backfired badly.3
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I agree with you except Duchatelet probably thinks it has worked well so far as the previous mid season managerial changes have resulted in us not being relegated. Whether he gets away with it for a third time..... I am not so sure.vff said:On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
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But what happens if the Fraeye appointment does not bring an improvement of results and Charlton go on a record run of not winning a game ? Would that result in a danger of Fraeye not getting the job.........Airman Brown said:Keith Peacock and Jason Euell would be a caretaker arrangement. Branding Fraeye as that is likely to be a way of easing him in in the hope a couple of results pacify the natives. Think Phil Parkinson in 2008. Murray went the opposite way wth Les Reed in 2006 and it backfired badly.
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