Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??
They had more experience than Peeters, Luzon and Fraeye
I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.
Ignoring the laughable comparison to Champions League finalist and two time Bundesliga winner Jurgen Klopp, the difference to the Watford appointments is that two of their managers did actually have English experience (Zola, Oscar Garcia) and the other two had no connection to the Pozzo family of clubs in Sannino and Jokanovic. Sannino is probably the most similar appointment to Bob Peeters in that he was recognised from working in the same country as the owner and even though we/Watford fans would not have known him, he would have got it on merit.
The difference with Fraeye and Luzon is that they are in Roland's merry-go-round of managers who have not got the job on merit, they just happen to be the next one available when an opening arises and it does not appear to be a fair application process.
Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...
Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...
The best example in this case is Christian Gross
Jozef Venglos?
Another good one. Just goes to show this sort of thing was going on even before the advent of the premiership!
I have serious doubts that he is the right person for the job.
He does have 6 months experience as an assistant manager in England.
He has his coaching Uefa A licence.
He knows nearly all the players as he is Roland's top scout/recruiter.
He is listened to by Roland so might actually convince RD that more and better players are needed.
On the down side.
His management experience is very limited and at a very low level.
He has made numerous errors when scouting players for us.
He is part a network system that has consistently failed.
He has no existing first team coaches with current knowledge of the team to assist him.
we're on a bad run and in the relegation zone so attracting UK players will be hard.
The transfer window for Belgium players is closed.
His independence is debatable.
Having recommended so many if not all the signings he may feel the need to play them regardless of whether they are the best option so as to justify his recommendations.
His background and links to the network mean that many fans will react negatively so negating the usual new manager lift
His background and links to the network mean that some players will react negatively to him so negating the usual new manager lift.
Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...
The best example in this case is Christian Gross
Jozef Venglos?
Another good one. Just goes to show this sort of thing was going on even before the advent of the premiership!
Actually, thinking about it, not one British manager or coach had any experience of managing or coaching before they were given their first job as a manager or coach, did they... Didn't think of that, did you Colin - ha!
On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
So Cawley saying Fraeye is in. So glad a lot of thought went into that. To appoint a caretaker from abroad for the rest of the season shows they don't have a clue and take us for fools. Surely the best thing is to take some time and get the right person in long term even if it takes a week or two. Euell could have done as caretaker surely. But no they go for the first network manager they can think of. Brilliant
On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
Glad I read this because I was just about to start a new thread based on that quote!
On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
Glad I read this because I was just about to start a new thread based on that quote!
I don't hate Fraeye I hate that he represents a clueless dictator-type owner that is determined on sending us back to League One by appointing mindless yes men with little experience.
The club is a complete joke. The only way to stop this crap is to vote with your feet. I stopped going to The Valley and just go to away games. I feel much better that I can support my team without lining The Dictator's pockets.
Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??
Colin, you get lots of LOLs but I've never seen you post a joke.
Keith Peacock and Jason Euell would be a caretaker arrangement. Branding Fraeye as that is likely to be a way of easing him in in the hope a couple of results pacify the natives. Think Phil Parkinson in 2008. Murray went the opposite way wth Les Reed in 2006 and it backfired badly.
On Charlton Way it says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The appointment of Karel Fraeye fits into this category.
I agree with you except Duchatelet probably thinks it has worked well so far as the previous mid season managerial changes have resulted in us not being relegated. Whether he gets away with it for a third time..... I am not so sure.
Keith Peacock and Jason Euell would be a caretaker arrangement. Branding Fraeye as that is likely to be a way of easing him in in the hope a couple of results pacify the natives. Think Phil Parkinson in 2008. Murray went the opposite way wth Les Reed in 2006 and it backfired badly.
But what happens if the Fraeye appointment does not bring an improvement of results and Charlton go on a record run of not winning a game ? Would that result in a danger of Fraeye not getting the job.........
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NI one hated Luzon.
No one hated Riga
No one hated Peeters
1 phone call" yes RD" ----about 2 seconds i should think.
The difference with Fraeye and Luzon is that they are in Roland's merry-go-round of managers who have not got the job on merit, they just happen to be the next one available when an opening arises and it does not appear to be a fair application process.
Worrying times
I want him to be a huge success.
I have serious doubts that he is the right person for the job.
He does have 6 months experience as an assistant manager in England.
He has his coaching Uefa A licence.
He knows nearly all the players as he is Roland's top scout/recruiter.
He is listened to by Roland so might actually convince RD that more and better players are needed.
On the down side.
His management experience is very limited and at a very low level.
He has made numerous errors when scouting players for us.
He is part a network system that has consistently failed.
He has no existing first team coaches with current knowledge of the team to assist him.
we're on a bad run and in the relegation zone so attracting UK players will be hard.
The transfer window for Belgium players is closed.
His independence is debatable.
Having recommended so many if not all the signings he may feel the need to play them regardless of whether they are the best option so as to justify his recommendations.
His background and links to the network mean that many fans will react negatively so negating the usual new manager lift
His background and links to the network mean that some players will react negatively to him so negating the usual new manager lift.
Charlton we are officially on a break
After all, it's not like Roland (who is a successful businessman) ever wastes money ;-)
The club is a complete joke. The only way to stop this crap is to vote with your feet. I stopped going to The Valley and just go to away games. I feel much better that I can support my team without lining The Dictator's pockets.