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Soft tyres should allow Verstappen to get off the line faster at the start, but they will degrade faster and lose peak performance earlier in the race.MrOneLung said:Ok, can someone in layman’s terms explain how Verstappen starting on softs will affect the strategy of the two teams?
They will be be faster initially but possibly slower over the entirety of the stint.
The fastest strategy is a balance of how hard you can push on a set of tyres while making tyres last, time lost on track due to tyre degradation, and time lost due to slowing down to make a pit stop. I believe a one stop race is expected to be the fastest way to run this race, but things can change once the race starts.
If they can make the soft tyres last well enough they may be able to switch to the hard tyres and do a one stop race. The cooler night time temps will possibly help. If that happens, we can expect Verstappen to be leading the final phase of the race with Hamilton trying to catch him on younger tyres (Hamilton’s stop will likely be later than Verstappen’s because his medium tyres should last longer).If the softs ‘go off’ too quickly, Red Bull may be forced into a two stop strategy. If that happens, we can expect Hamilton to lead the final phase of the race with Verstappen trying to catch him on fresher and possibly softer (faster) tyres.That’s my layman’s understanding. There are large teams of people paid lots of money by each team to come up with smarter ideas than that so don’t rule out a surprise.I think it does make it more likely, though, that we will see the winner decided by an overtake on the track.2 -
Or Hamilton waits for Verstappen to change his tyres during the race and yellows are flagged before Hamilton has to change his - meaning his stop will be about 10 seconds quicker.0
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Really not clearing our lines at all well today.Right, over to match thread to chat tyre degradation.4
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Yeah, a safety car and the timing of it could be highly significant. An early one that allows Verstappen to get off the softs - do Mercedes stick or twist? If it comes after Verstappen changes tyres it could help Hamilton hugely. Late in the race and it might neutralize any advantage one or the other has by being on fresh rubber.Addickted said:Or Hamilton waits for Verstappen to change his tyres during the race and yellows are flagged before Hamilton has to change his - meaning his stop will be about 10 seconds quicker.0 -
The Dutch love it, when i went to the Abu Dhabi grand prix a few years back almost every boat party in the marina was full of Dutch fans going mentalDamoNorthStand said:
Indeed it was - props for a stunning lap. The Dutch going crazy in the stands. It’s big for motorsport in the Netherlands - they have never had a title winning driver I don’t thinksam3110 said:The slipstream took a couple of tenths off the lap, so by my reckoning Verstappen was still nearly 2 tenths faster overall.
Regardless off who you support, that was a hell of a lap0 -
There was always loads of Dutch fans supporting Jans Lammers at Le Mans. Was in the Terte Rouge bar one evening when Holland were playing in the Euros. Decent guys, who liked a drink and a laugh.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
The Dutch love it, when i went to the Abu Dhabi grand prix a few years back almost every boat party in the marina was full of Dutch fans going mentalDamoNorthStand said:
Indeed it was - props for a stunning lap. The Dutch going crazy in the stands. It’s big for motorsport in the Netherlands - they have never had a title winning driver I don’t thinksam3110 said:The slipstream took a couple of tenths off the lap, so by my reckoning Verstappen was still nearly 2 tenths faster overall.
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Verstappen has no medium tyres available. An early stop could mean he's pushing the hard tyres at the en of the race.Exiled_Addick said:
Yeah, a safety car and the timing of it could be highly significant. An early one that allows Verstappen to get off the softs - do Mercedes stick or twist? If it comes after Verstappen changes tyres it could help Hamilton hugely. Late in the race and it might neutralize any advantage one or the other has by being on fresh rubber.Addickted said:Or Hamilton waits for Verstappen to change his tyres during the race and yellows are flagged before Hamilton has to change his - meaning his stop will be about 10 seconds quicker.
Hamilton has all three compounds available.2 -
Did I see that RB increased the downforce to add speed. That’s not going to help with tyre wear.1
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Advantage max so far. Hope Lewis can pull something out tomorrow wouldn't rule it out0
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It normally works the opposite way round. Less downforce (ie smaller rear wing) means less drag, less air resistance and results in a quicker car. Normally the downside of course is less grip!SomervilleAddick said:Did I see that RB increased the downforce to add speed. That’s not going to help with tyre wear.0 - Sponsored links:
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1pm race start and it’s available on Channel 4 as well as the usual on Sky0
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Just the 19 starters today...
Seems that Max Verstappen has tested positive for COVID so will miss the race
Only kidding, its Mazepin that'll be absent from the Grid
Means that the Russian will finish 21st in a 20-man Drivers Championship
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ForeverAddickted said:Just the 19 starters today...
Seems that Max Verstappen has tested positive for COVID so will miss the race
Only kidding, its Mazepin that'll be absent from the Grid
Means that the Russian will finish 21st in a 20-man Drivers ChampionshipI think he's had a remarkable season!I do not recall seeing a more inept, dangerous, and clearly out of his depth driver in what is the pinnacle of motor sport. How the hell does he get on the grid........ oh wait!1 -
So Haas aren't replacing him because it has to be someone that ran FP1 and the only reserve that ran was Jack Atiken. Seems a bit odd1
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If Lewis or Max tested positive this morning do you think they'd announce it? Or keep it under wraps0
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I'm stupidly and excited nervous for the race, been a great season0
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I suspect neither would take a test unless they absolutely had toBigRedEvil said:If Lewis or Max tested positive this morning do you think they'd announce it? Or keep it under wraps1 -
I can’t see Hamilton doing it based on being pessimistic and nothing else ….0
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Maybe it will end like 2008 when Hamilton overtook Glock in the final few corners to get fifth and win his first championship by a point.Just imagine Whinger Spice's face if Lewis did Max on the last corner!! I can dream!5
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He'd complain that Lewis's visor was actually 0.01mm too thick and enabled him to have that extra tear off two laps from home.4
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I can't ever remember looking forward to a race as much as this one.
I reckon it will be explosive in parts.
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Interestingly, I think it's going to be fucking boring. Unless Max shits himself at the start, he'll get away in first no problem on the softs. Lewis may lose a place to Lando and/or Sergio. Get back into second after 4 / 5 laps. By that point Lewis will have to charge, ruin his initial long run tyre advantage. Both will two stop, Max will win by about 10 seconds.blackpool72 said:I can't ever remember looking forward to a race as much as this one.
I reckon it will be explosive in parts.
Can't wait .
Do hope not though, want to see one final duel between them.0 -
I think Max will win fairly comfortably. I think he will simply have the pace today and win which tbh if that’s the case then fair enough.1
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DamoNorthStand said:I think Max will win fairly comfortably. I think he will simply have the pace today and win which tbh if that’s the case then fair enough.
Yes, I have no problem with that. I want Lewis to win but would accept a Verstappen win as long as it's fair. No question he is a very good driver.
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Max in interview: “I’ve had it difficult my whole life.”
No irony.
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Id find it interesting if Verstappen decided to take Hamilton out
If he then got points deductions I wonder if Red Bull would argue that Hamilton got no deductions for a "similar" incident at Silverstone.0 -
More likely to have Perez take him out if they were to try and go that route, he's starting right behind Hamilton on the grid on soft tyres, so could "outbrake himself" and plough into the back of him at Turn 1ForeverAddickted said:Id find it interesting if Verstappen decided to take Hamilton out
If he then got points deductions I wonder if Red Bull would argue that Hamilton got no deductions for a "similar" incident at Silverstone.0 -
To be fair he's had to put up with an abusive prick for a Dad who left him at a track in Italy after he failed to win in karting.lordromford said:Max in interview: “I’ve had it difficult my whole life.”
No irony.5
