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  • It'll be a case of after the Lord Mayors show for Boro. They'll be elated after beating Man Utd and will have their weary eyes on the next round of the cup. As for Charlton, it's new manager bounce time. So everything looks set for a fine Addicks away win.

    Except, this is Charlton so you should always expect the worst. The new manager bounce will be more of a dead cat bounce. 1-0 Half time to the Addicks; 4-1 Full time to the Smoggies.
  • Middlesbrough advance purchase train ticket thread, please open.
  • If Boro don't win they will need a look at themselves.
    If our positions were somehow reversed I would expect victory.
    Keeping the score away from humiliation is what I hope for.
  • seth plum said:

    If Boro don't win they will need a look at themselves.
    If our positions were somehow reversed I would expect victory.
    Keeping the score away from humiliation is what I hope for.

    6-0 to Boro is 80-1
    7-0 to Boro is 200-1
  • Picking a team without responsibility is easy....so here goes.

    4-1-4-1 to cover the Boro player in the middle of their attacking midfield three, in their usual 4-2-3-1 system.

    Henderson

    Solly- Bauer- Sarr- Fox

    Diarra

    Holmes-Dennis - Cousins- Jackson- Gudmundsson

    Makienok

    If we can get to 60 mins at 0-0 or 0-1, Bring on Watt & KAG for Makienok & Jackson and go 4-1-3-2 to try and nick a goal, or change to

    4-3-2-1 going man for man on their midfield 5, with Watt & KAG supporting Big Mak.

    The main worry then, is Friend getting forward to overload Solly in the right back position. Holmes-Dennis has the energy to support him and do a defensive job. The threat of Kalas on the Boro right is less potent.

    Diarra is our best player and has the discipline to play as the defensive screen in front of the B4. I want him to pick up Boro's best player and provide insurance against Boro playing through the middle of Cousins & Jackson, as Brentford did using the same system.

    Bergdich, Ba & Moussa lack the physical strength, positional awareness and discipline to play in this system or in Championship football in General. Send them out on loan and bring back Harriott & Piggott.

    Fantasy Football.


  • as always very insightful Tutt-Tutt. If only Kashi were fit.
  • Don't go to many aways, fit them in around family life and try to arrange longer trips around visits to friends and family... Lucky me that Yorks/NE is where they are. £32 ticket, plenty more in train fares... Not looked forward less to a game in a long while

    I'm not winding people up with my notes, I'll take them off your hands at a reasonable price.

    Inbox me if you're interested.
    No wind - up assumed. But have arranged a whole weekend around this, no backing out now! Completes my Northern set (Newcastle, Sunderland, Carlisle, Hartlepool, Boro ) - 'course we'll be playing Gateshead soon at this rate
  • edited October 2015
    Tutt-Tutt said:

    seth plum said:

    If Boro don't win they will need a look at themselves.
    If our positions were somehow reversed I would expect victory.
    Keeping the score away from humiliation is what I hope for.

    6-0 to Boro is 80-1
    7-0 to Boro is 200-1
    Which are the odds and which are the scores?? Don't panic.....Van Gaal said they were lucky!
  • edited October 2015
    Tutt-Tutt, I said Pelligrni played 4-4-2 when they won the Premier.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    Since then he has tried 4-3-3 on their Pre season tour

    And this season has played 4-2-3-1 most of the time.

    When Burnley won the Championship in 2013/14
    They played a 4-4-2 pressing game which could change
    to 4-4-1-1 when they were defending.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    As they had Danny Ings and Sam Volkes fit for most of the season,
    he played a system to suit his players.

    The moral of this story is you need a plan A and a Plan B
    And players who can concentrate for 90 plus minutes and have 100% fitness
    which ever formation you use.

    We need to match up the same as Middlesbrough in this game and hope they are Knackered after their 120 minutes on Wednesday night.

  • Tutt-Tutt said:

    Picking a team without responsibility is easy....so here goes.

    4-1-4-1 to cover the Boro player in the middle of their attacking midfield three, in their usual 4-2-3-1 system.

    Henderson

    Solly- Bauer- Sarr- Fox

    Diarra

    Holmes-Dennis - Cousins- Jackson- Gudmundsson

    Makienok

    If we can get to 60 mins at 0-0 or 0-1, Bring on Watt & KAG for Makienok & Jackson and go 4-1-3-2 to try and nick a goal, or change to

    4-3-2-1 going man for man on their midfield 5, with Watt & KAG supporting Big Mak.

    The main worry then, is Friend getting forward to overload Solly in the right back position. Holmes-Dennis has the energy to support him and do a defensive job. The threat of Kalas on the Boro right is less potent.

    Diarra is our best player and has the discipline to play as the defensive screen in front of the B4. I want him to pick up Boro's best player and provide insurance against Boro playing through the middle of Cousins & Jackson, as Brentford did using the same system.

    Bergdich, Ba & Moussa lack the physical strength, positional awareness and discipline to play in this system or in Championship football in General. Send them out on loan and bring back Harriott & Piggott.

    Fantasy Football.


    The next step is how do we get the ball forward into the last third, as there is no use choosing a system without a pattern of play.

    So, Boro's weak areas, are the left centre back and the space left by Friend in the left back area when he pushes on. So it's angled passes or long balls into Big Mak coming off Amorebeita or Gibson, to set up play through the inside right channel, with Cousins, Holmes-Dennis and Solly pushing on to join in and JBG coming off the left flank into the central areas onto his right foot.

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  • Tutt-Tutt, I said Pelligrni played 4-4-2 when they won the Premier.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    Since then he has tried 4-3-3 on their Pre season tour

    And this season has played 4-2-3-1 most of the time.

    When Burnley won the Championship in 2013/14
    They played a 4-4-2 pressing game which could change
    to 4-4-1-1 when they were defending.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    As they had Danny Ings and Sam Volkes fit for most of the season,
    he played a system to suit his players.

    The moral of this story is you need a plan A and a Plan B
    And players who can concentrate for 90 plus minutes and have 100% fitness
    which ever formation you use.

    We need to match up the same as Middlesbrough in this game and hope they are Knackered after their 120 minutes on Wednesday night.

    You seem to be obsessed with Pellegrini and Man City.
  • Tutt-Tutt, I said Pelligrni played 4-4-2 when they won the Premier.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    Since then he has tried 4-3-3 on their Pre season tour

    And this season has played 4-2-3-1 most of the time.

    When Burnley won the Championship in 2013/14
    They played a 4-4-2 pressing game which could change
    to 4-4-1-1 when they were defending.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    As they had Danny Ings and Sam Volkes fit for most of the season,
    he played a system to suit his players.

    The moral of this story is you need a plan A and a Plan B
    And players who can concentrate for 90 plus minutes and have 100% fitness
    which ever formation you use.

    We need to match up the same as Middlesbrough in this game and hope they are Knackered after their 120 minutes on Wednesday night.

    Not sure we even have a Plan Z !

  • edited October 2015

    Tutt-Tutt, I said Pelligrni played 4-4-2 when they won the Premier.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    Since then he has tried 4-3-3 on their Pre season tour

    And this season has played 4-2-3-1 most of the time.

    When Burnley won the Championship in 2013/14
    They played a 4-4-2 pressing game which could change
    to 4-4-1-1 when they were defending.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    As they had Danny Ings and Sam Volkes fit for most of the season,
    he played a system to suit his players.

    The moral of this story is you need a plan A and a Plan B
    And players who can concentrate for 90 plus minutes and have 100% fitness
    which ever formation you use.

    We need to match up the same as Middlesbrough in this game and hope they are Knackered after their 120 minutes on Wednesday night.

    Not sure we even have a Plan Z !

    Plan A: Don't get injured in Warm up.
    Plan B: keep 11 players on the pitch. No Red cards.
    Plan C: Pass to someone with the same colour shirt on.
    Plan D: Pass and move.
    Plan E: If we concede a free kick only 3 in the wall and don't duck.
    (Hendo's stated preference last night)
    Plan F: They were more heads dropping against Brentford than a Henry the 8th
    Royal Proclamation. Stop being soft and be professional.
    Plan G: Play for every man,Woman and child who makes the long trip up to
    Teeside.
    Plan H:Attack the ball, and win your personal battles all over the field.
    Plan I: We have worked on 4-2-3-1 all week, don't be the week link in the chain.
    Plan J: Dream it,Believe It, Achieve It.

    Hopefully Plan ZZZZ is when the players are sleeping after running the hard yards and bringing the points back to london.



  • Tutt-Tutt, I said Pelligrni played 4-4-2 when they won the Premier.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    Since then he has tried 4-3-3 on their Pre season tour

    And this season has played 4-2-3-1 most of the time.

    When Burnley won the Championship in 2013/14
    They played a 4-4-2 pressing game which could change
    to 4-4-1-1 when they were defending.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    As they had Danny Ings and Sam Volkes fit for most of the season,
    he played a system to suit his players.

    The moral of this story is you need a plan A and a Plan B
    And players who can concentrate for 90 plus minutes and have 100% fitness
    which ever formation you use.

    We need to match up the same as Middlesbrough in this game and hope they are Knackered after their 120 minutes on Wednesday night.

    Not sure we even have a Plan Z !

    Plan A: Don't get injured in Warm up.
    Plan B: keep 11 players on the pitch. No Red cards.
    Plan C: Pass to someone with the same colour shirt on.
    Plan D: Pass and move.
    Plan E: If we concede a free kick only 3 in the wall and don't duck.
    (Hendo's stated preference last night)
    Plan F: They were more heads dropping against Brentford than a Henry the 8th
    Royal Proclamation. Stop being soft and be professional.
    Plan G: Play for every man,Woman and child who makes the long trip up to
    Teeside.
    Plan H:Attack the ball, and win your personal battles all over the field.
    Plan I: We have worked on 4-2-3-1 all week, don't be the week link in the chain.
    Plan J: Dream it,Believe It, Achieve It.

    Hopefully Plan ZZZZ is when the players are sleeping after running the hard yards and bringing the points back to london.



    I think they're all plan D: at the moment...
  • Tutt-Tutt, I said Pelligrni played 4-4-2 when they won the Premier.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    Since then he has tried 4-3-3 on their Pre season tour

    And this season has played 4-2-3-1 most of the time.

    When Burnley won the Championship in 2013/14
    They played a 4-4-2 pressing game which could change
    to 4-4-1-1 when they were defending.

    Please check if you didn't realize.

    As they had Danny Ings and Sam Volkes fit for most of the season,
    he played a system to suit his players.

    The moral of this story is you need a plan A and a Plan B
    And players who can concentrate for 90 plus minutes and have 100% fitness
    which ever formation you use.

    We need to match up the same as Middlesbrough in this game and hope they are Knackered after their 120 minutes on Wednesday night.

    Not sure we even have a Plan Z !

    Plan A: Don't get injured in Warm up.
    Plan B: keep 11 players on the pitch. No Red cards.
    Plan C: Pass to someone with the same colour shirt on.
    Plan D: Pass and move.
    Plan E: If we concede a free kick only 3 in the wall and don't duck.
    (Hendo's stated preference last night)
    Plan F: They were more heads dropping against Brentford than a Henry the 8th
    Royal Proclamation. Stop being soft and be professional.
    Plan G: Play for every man,Woman and child who makes the long trip up to
    Teeside.
    Plan H:Attack the ball, and win your personal battles all over the field.
    Plan I: We have worked on 4-2-3-1 all week, don't be the week link in the chain.
    Plan J: Dream it,Believe It, Achieve It.

    Hopefully Plan ZZZZ is when the players are sleeping after running the hard yards and bringing the points back to london.



    I think they're all plan D: at the moment...
    There was a Freudian slip of the Colon key
    which looked like Tony Watt so i left it in.

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