No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.
This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.
It's hard to maintain a victim mentality when your plane is 1000 miles from home
And Turkey isn't small country, it has a population of 75 million
Not hard to maintain that mentality at all when Putin spins everything to suit his purpose. Not sure what you mean regarding Turkey's size ?
As stated above the Russian jet would be in and out of that small pimple of air space in moments. Could it be that they have been flouting the rules for a while, been warned and continued to flout the Turkish air space ?
There had been a comment here about Turkey being a tiny puppy or something similar. If Turkey was ever to join the EU (which I doubt), population wise they'd be a major force.
The Turks are a proud people, and their leader is almost as nationalistic as Putin...
No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.
This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.
It's hard to maintain a victim mentality when your plane is 1000 miles from home
And Turkey isn't small country, it has a population of 75 million
Not hard to maintain that mentality at all when Putin spins everything to suit his purpose. Not sure what you mean regarding Turkey's size ?
As stated above the Russian jet would be in and out of that small pimple of air space in moments. Could it be that they have been flouting the rules for a while, been warned and continued to flout the Turkish air space ?
There had been a comment here about Turkey being a tiny puppy or something similar. If Turkey was ever to join the EU (which I doubt), population wise they'd be a major force.
The Turks are a proud people, and their leader is almost as nationalistic as Putin...
Sorry I didn't see the post regarding Turkey's size. Agree Turkey is a big player. Huge standing army. (10th Largest)
Oooh look. The Turks just destroyed a Russian war plane that was destroying ISIS and illegal trades of oil...
It's at least 100km from the closest part of ISIS territory.
For reference, Northampton is about 100km away from Charing Cross.
A fighter jet would do that in about 12 minutes
Sure, but if the red line on the map was the flightpath, then 100km is the closest it came to ISIS territory (the circular part to the right of its flightpath). ISIS were not its target.
No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.
This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.
It's hard to maintain a victim mentality when your plane is 1000 miles from home
And Turkey isn't small country, it has a population of 75 million
Not hard to maintain that mentality at all when Putin spins everything to suit his purpose. Not sure what you mean regarding Turkey's size ?
As stated above the Russian jet would be in and out of that small pimple of air space in moments. Could it be that they have been flouting the rules for a while, been warned and continued to flout the Turkish air space ?
There had been a comment here about Turkey being a tiny puppy or something similar. If Turkey was ever to join the EU (which I doubt), population wise they'd be a major force.
The Turks are a proud people, and their leader is almost as nationalistic as Putin...
Sorry I didn't see the post regarding Turkey's size. Agree Turkey is a big player. Huge standing army. (10th Largest)
so was Iraqs.
According to the news the Russian plane had been attacking Turcoman rebel forces.
Putin "We will analyse everything in detail and today's tragic events will have significant consequences including for relations between Russia and Turkey."
If the Russian plane that was supposed to be in Turkey airspace actually crashed in Turkey rather than Syria or at least one of the two pilots who ejected from the plane came down in Turkey rather than Syria I would find it a lot easier to accept Turkey's claims.
Daily Mail has put up a picture provided by the Turks... I guess the light blue border is Turkish Airspace with the plane clearly being in its airspace, surely though the Aircraft wasnt in there for 10-mins!!
I've just gone on Google Maps and its takes about 10-mins to drive that part of Turkey (Not in a straight line either) So a plane would have done it a lot quicker
From that image alone he's gone in there at least twice though. If he was warned...
They send fighters along our coast as well, presumably testing our responses (usually F1s scrambled). I guess we have more patience than Turkey.
Daily Mail has put up a picture provided by the Turks... I guess the light blue border is Turkish Airspace with the plane clearly being in its airspace, surely though the Aircraft wasnt in there for 10-mins!!
I've just gone on Google Maps and its takes about 10-mins to drive that part of Turkey (Not in a straight line either) So a plane would have done it a lot quicker
From that image alone he's gone in there at least twice though. If he was warned...
They send fighters along our coast as well, presumably testing our responses (usually F1s scrambled). I guess we have more patience than Turkey.
Politically Turkey is nowhere near as relevant as a member of NATO as historical cold war foes the UK and US and thertherefore such an incident would likely be far more significant and Iinflammatory to Putin.
Not forgetting also for all the sabre rattling over the past 18months or so it doesn't appear that Russian planes have ever breached UK sovereign airspace unlike what is being alleged by Turkey.
If NATO planes did this for every incursion into their airspace it would make Putin think twice about further expansion into Europe. Whether this incident is an accident or not NATO should back the Turks to the hilt and announce that it was a deliberate act. The alliance has looked weak for too long and our enemies have taken note.
Daily Mail has put up a picture provided by the Turks... I guess the light blue border is Turkish Airspace with the plane clearly being in its airspace, surely though the Aircraft wasnt in there for 10-mins!!
I've just gone on Google Maps and its takes about 10-mins to drive that part of Turkey (Not in a straight line either) So a plane would have done it a lot quicker
From that image alone he's gone in there at least twice though. If he was warned...
They send fighters along our coast as well, presumably testing our responses (usually F1s scrambled). I guess we have more patience than Turkey.
Politically Turkey is nowhere near as relevant as a member of NATO as historical cold war foes the UK and US and thertherefore such an incident would likely be far more significant and Iinflammatory to Putin.
Not forgetting also for all the sabre rattling over the past 18months or so it doesn't appear that Russian planes have ever breached UK sovereign airspace unlike what is being alleged by Turkey.
Yes of course that's true - it really would be inflammatory if we shot one down outside of our airspace.
If NATO planes did this for every incursion into their airspace it would make Putin think twice about further expansion into Europe. Whether this incident is an accident or not NATO should back the Turks to the hilt and announce that it was a deliberate act. The alliance has looked weak for too long and our enemies have taken note.
Why though should we back Turkey who are buying oil from ISIS... they're practically funding their operations
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The Turks are a proud people, and their leader is almost as nationalistic as Putin...
I can't think why a a Russian jet would be 12 minutes from the ISIS 'border' otherwise.
The white Turkish plane also goes out of Turkish air space from what it seems - or is that the sea and open to all ?
According to the news the Russian plane had been attacking Turcoman rebel forces.
The answer was - Croydon
So where will the Russians go on holiday now?
They send fighters along our coast as well, presumably testing our responses (usually F1s scrambled). I guess we have more patience than Turkey.
Not forgetting also for all the sabre rattling over the past 18months or so it doesn't appear that Russian planes have ever breached UK sovereign airspace unlike what is being alleged by Turkey.
Don't like where all this is heading.