I have this 2% slither of hope that RM will talk one or two others in, head a little consortium, and get this club back from Belgium.
Absolutely no idea whether that is only a tiny bit viable, but I can't see any other option as being likely at this point.
Wasn't he part of the original problem that got us to where we are? Has he learned from his experience? As the former Chairman didn't he admit that the board made had made "mistakes particularly in relation to the period following the departure of Curbs"? They chose 4 bad managers!
Furthermore, wasn't RM and the other board members responsible for NOT building a viable business model for Charlton?
Just reading the November VOTV and Paul Green , the old news shopper sports editor, mentions Murray saying just after the Dowie appointment "that Charltons success had not been down to Curbishley alone. He himself was very much part of it and he was still firmly in place to ensure it would be business as usual"
Murray chose Curbs which was without doubt the best ever decision possible but the decision to not let him finish that last season of his contract as the TV money rose and the refusal to accept Curbs' offering of help to find his successor (Curbs choice at the time was Mick McCarthy) was where his ego took over and everything since in our spiral is a real shame for him because he was part of the glory years
Just reading the November VOTV and Paul Green , the old news shopper sports editor, mentions Murray saying just after the Dowie appointment "that Charltons success had not been down to Curbishley alone. He himself was very much part of it and he was still firmly in place to ensure it would be business as usual"
Murray chose Curbs which was without doubt the best ever decision possible but the decision to not let him finish that last season of his contract as the TV money rose and the refusal to accept Curbs' offering of help to find his successor (Curbs choice at the time was Mick McCarthy) was where his ego took over and everything since in our spiral is a real shame for him because he was part of the glory years
This. And remember when he chose Curbs there was only a choice of two!
Had there been a long list of candidates I dread to think what avenue Murray would have driven us down!
Luckily for him,he did choose Curbs who pretty much ran the club,well at least the football side of it, from top to bottom during his whole tenure.
Just reading the November VOTV and Paul Green , the old news shopper sports editor, mentions Murray saying just after the Dowie appointment "that Charltons success had not been down to Curbishley alone. He himself was very much part of it and he was still firmly in place to ensure it would be business as usual"
Murray chose Curbs which was without doubt the best ever decision possible but the decision to not let him finish that last season of his contract as the TV money rose and the refusal to accept Curbs' offering of help to find his successor (Curbs choice at the time was Mick McCarthy) was where his ego took over and everything since in our spiral is a real shame for him because he was part of the glory years
Spot on ooh aah! There was clearly no contingency plan if Curbs had gone under a bus. Large corporates such as we were then, should have a plan for key personnel.
Just reading the November VOTV and Paul Green , the old news shopper sports editor, mentions Murray saying just after the Dowie appointment "that Charltons success had not been down to Curbishley alone. He himself was very much part of it and he was still firmly in place to ensure it would be business as usual"
Murray chose Curbs which was without doubt the best ever decision possible but the decision to not let him finish that last season of his contract as the TV money rose and the refusal to accept Curbs' offering of help to find his successor (Curbs choice at the time was Mick McCarthy) was where his ego took over and everything since in our spiral is a real shame for him because he was part of the glory years
I am pretty sure Mick would have kept us up as well.
I have this 2% slither of hope that RM will talk one or two others in, head a little consortium, and get this club back from Belgium.
Absolutely no idea whether that is only a tiny bit viable, but I can't see any other option as being likely at this point.
Wasn't he part of the original problem that got us to where we are? Has he learned from his experience? As the former Chairman didn't he admit that the board made had made "mistakes particularly in relation to the period following the departure of Curbs"? They chose 4 bad managers!
Furthermore, wasn't RM and the other board members responsible for NOT building a viable business model for Charlton?
Their worst decision was to sack Dowie. I still maintain we would have stayed up that season had we kept him on. We could have found another manager in the following season.
RM's financial interest in the club is not reliant on him towing the "he does it his way and we have to accept it" line. He can identify them as the incompetent cnuts they are and still get his money back if in the absurd circumstances we get to the Prem. Not sure why he is motivated not to. Free matchday experience? Shared apathy? Fancies KM? Plan to buy us cheap in L2?
I have this 2% slither of hope that RM will talk one or two others in, head a little consortium, and get this club back from Belgium.
Absolutely no idea whether that is only a tiny bit viable, but I can't see any other option as being likely at this point.
Leaving The Valley after the Bolton game I looked into West Stand upper reception area and saw RM and KM having a good old laugh together.
So sadly I suspect even you're 2% slither of hope is being way too optimistic
For all we know RM could well be hurting inside like the rest of us and playing happy families while he's still owed his wedge of money. I suspect had he got all his money back he'd be nowhere near the boardroom right now but this really doesn't look good on him the fact he chooses / is forced to play along with them to stay close to his money. If he told them what he really thought of them (assuming he thinks like the rest of us) he'd probably kiss goodbye to any little influence he may have. None of us can ever know how it feels to have so much money tied up in something but then as they often say, perception is reality.
I have this 2% slither of hope that RM will talk one or two others in, head a little consortium, and get this club back from Belgium.
Absolutely no idea whether that is only a tiny bit viable, but I can't see any other option as being likely at this point.
Leaving The Valley after the Bolton game I looked into West Stand upper reception area and saw RM and KM having a good old laugh together.
So sadly I suspect even you're 2% slither of hope is being way too optimistic
For all we know RM could well be hurting inside like the rest of us and playing happy families while he's still owed his wedge of money. I suspect had he got all his money back he'd be nowhere near the boardroom right now but this really doesn't look good on him the fact he chooses / is forced to play along with them to stay close to his money. If he told them what he really thought of them (assuming he thinks like the rest of us) he'd probably kiss goodbye to any little influence he may have. None of us can ever know how it feels to have so much money tied up in something but then as they often say, perception is reality.
Might even be a case of 'Keep your friends close and enemies even closer'
Richard Murray was a Charlton hero, a chairman the supporters could look up to and trust to do the right thing for the club. The key word, however, is WAS. He has become a feckless front for the farce that is Roland and Katrien. Sure, he wants his money back. He may get it someday. A lot of others that also invested in Charlton will never get anything back. While Charlton was once a club that showed others how to do it right -- to get to the Premier League, and to stay there through wise management, the club has now become a laughingstock. Not just to the opponents, but to our own supporters. Murray is still there. His reputation is down to its last shreds. Time has told us that Charlton's former success was more down to Curbishley and Peter Varney. That must hurt Murray, who hired Dowie to trump Palarse's Tangoman, trusted his with too much money, and then followed mistake after mistake until all of the money and most of the goodwill is gone. Murray is doing himself, or his legacy, no good by aligning himself with Roland and Katrien. If he does not have the stones to stand up to them, then he is just as much a part of the problem as they are. He still has a little time to save his reputation. But not much time.
I like Mick McCarthy but let's remember that when we were replacing Curbs that he had just been sacked by Sunderland after a near all time record low Premiership points total of 15 points - he would have been a very unpopular appointment.
I like Mick McCarthy but let's remember that when we were replacing Curbs that he had just been sacked by Sunderland after a near all time record low Premiership points total of 15 points - he would have been a very unpopular appointment.
I like Mick McCarthy but let's remember that when we were replacing Curbs that he had just been sacked by Sunderland after a near all time record low Premiership points total of 15 points - he would have been a very unpopular appointment.
A bit like Dowie then
Ha! Touché!
To be fair to Dowie he did a bit better than 15 points - although not much better with only 33 points when the cheese rolls went down in 04/05.
Still a crap appointment which never felt right from the start.
I was one Supporter that wanted Chris Powell gone, but what we have had since, with the exception of Riga, has been cack. The Club has never been the same since Curbishley left. If you take away the promotion from the First Division and the ninth placed finish in the Championship, it has been struggle and upheaval.
so all you Kremlin CAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?
so all you Kremlin CAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?
so all you Kremlin CAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?
He is definitely part of the problem and needs to be as far away from the new regime as possible along with the other sycophants eg Peacock and the senior employees. Merry Christmas.
so all you Kremlin CAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?
He is definitely part of the problem and needs to be as far away from the new regime as possible along with the other sycophants eg Peacock and the senior employees. Merry Christmas.
So you have no regard for Keith Peacock . Well I do, he is a Charlton legend and you are doing him a great disservice.
so all you Kremlin CAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?
He is definitely part of the problem and needs to be as far away from the new regime as possible along with the other sycophants eg Peacock and the senior employees. Merry Christmas.
So you have no regard for Keith Peacock . Well I do, he is a Charlton legend and you are doing him a great disservice.
A high regard for his service. He needs to distance himself from them though as he is losing part of that legend status by holding their hands in my view.
I agree about Murray after the rubbish he has spouted since the Belgians rolled in to town but Peacock is really not the enemy, he is one of the dwindling number of decent real Charlton people still left at the club.
so all you Kremlin CAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?
He is definitely part of the problem and needs to be as far away from the new regime as possible along with the other sycophants eg Peacock and the senior employees. Merry Christmas.
So you have no regard for Keith Peacock . Well I do, he is a Charlton legend and you are doing him a great disservice.
Charlton to the core and only doing the hospitality.
I agree about Murray after the rubbish he has spouted since the Belgians rolled in to town but Peacock is really not the enemy, he is one of the dwindling number of decent real Charlton people still left at the club.
He's just a nice old geezer who likes going to the football. He likes being friendly and sees the best in people. Just let him go to the football.
The Shareholders voted overwhelmingly to abandon their shares when we left the Alternative Investment Market and to make the club more attractive to new buyers. The mass ranks of minority holders e.g. the fans had no real say in it because the majority shareholders carried the day. Therefore, your certificate is all you and I have left. If I remember rightly, many small shareholders tried to pass their shares to CAST in order to have a voice....
The Shareholders voted overwhelmingly to abandon their shares when we left the Alternative Investment Market and to make the club more attractive to new buyers. The mass ranks of minority holders e.g. the fans had no real say in it because the majority shareholders carried the day. Therefore, your certificate is all you and I have left. If I remember rightly, many small shareholders tried to pass their shares to CAST in order to have a voice....
I don't think much of this is correct, timing-wise. It's true to say the small shareholders were always going to be out-voted by the then directors who commanded a majority holding. But the club de-listed from AIM merely to save money. At that stage the shares still had a value and there was an off-market trade in them via a broker whose name I cannot now remember. (Possibly WH Ireland?) The club then slowly and agonisingly became less than worthless. So when it was sold to the previous owners all the shareholders lost their money. All that is apart from a certain Richard Murray, who, while still a loser financially, managed to slap in a loan payback clause. So, by the time CAST came into being, the shares in the old plc were already good for nothing but bog paper or fond memories (or both).
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Furthermore, wasn't RM and the other board members responsible for NOT building a viable business model for Charlton?
Murray chose Curbs which was without doubt the best ever decision possible but the decision to not let him finish that last season of his contract as the TV money rose and the refusal to accept Curbs' offering of help to find his successor (Curbs choice at the time was Mick McCarthy) was where his ego took over and everything since in our spiral is a real shame for him because he was part of the glory years
Had there been a long list of candidates I dread to think what avenue Murray would have driven us down!
Luckily for him,he did choose Curbs who pretty much ran the club,well at least the football side of it, from top to bottom during his whole tenure.
So sadly I suspect even you're 2% slither of hope is being way too optimistic
Sure, he wants his money back. He may get it someday. A lot of others that also invested in Charlton will never get anything back.
While Charlton was once a club that showed others how to do it right -- to get to the Premier League, and to stay there through wise management, the club has now become a laughingstock. Not just to the opponents, but to our own supporters.
Murray is still there. His reputation is down to its last shreds.
Time has told us that Charlton's former success was more down to Curbishley and Peter Varney. That must hurt Murray, who hired Dowie to trump Palarse's Tangoman, trusted his with too much money, and then followed mistake after mistake until all of the money and most of the goodwill is gone.
Murray is doing himself, or his legacy, no good by aligning himself with Roland and Katrien.
If he does not have the stones to stand up to them, then he is just as much a part of the problem as they are.
He still has a little time to save his reputation. But not much time.
If he had any pride he would resign... Instead he just tows the line and gets wheeled out whenever the 2% need to be placated for 5 minutes..
It's an utter shame...
He should be educating these people not sucking their c***** for ruining a once great club...
To be fair to Dowie he did a bit better than 15 points - although not much better with only 33 points when the cheese rolls went down in 04/05.
Still a crap appointment which never felt right from the start.
Think it's time for him to let it go.
There are other wealthy-ish cafc fans out there with contacts.
KremlinCAFC watchers .. is Murray part of the Duchy problem .. OR could he be a potential leader into a new promised land down in the Valley ?Well I do, he is a Charlton legend and you are doing him a great disservice.
Not connected with all the other crap.
The club then slowly and agonisingly became less than worthless. So when it was sold to the previous owners all the shareholders lost their money. All that is apart from a certain Richard Murray, who, while still a loser financially, managed to slap in a loan payback clause.
So, by the time CAST came into being, the shares in the old plc were already good for nothing but bog paper or fond memories (or both).