Anyone remember Herbie being schooled by Bowe? And let's not forgot Tyson got put on his fat arse by Wilder. Can't judge him by that one moment any more than you can Lewis getting sparked by Rahman or a concussed AJ losing to Ruiz.
Let's face it, the best ever British boxers weren't heavyweights.
Tyson v wilder? If u mean when Fury went there and battered him and got a draw then i dont see your point?
He outboxed wilder start to finish, but could easily have been knocked out
So what is your point?
Nothing in particular. But I don't think this loss for AJ is what is going to define his career, assuming he was concussed before he got in the ring (assuming no long term damage). Other British heavyweights have lost or have been put down and come back from it
Sorry didnt mean to sound aggresive if i did. AJ has been hyped up as was Haye and proven to be not that great. Wilder is another one i think is hyped up with all his bullshit face masks. Tyson was the only one not hyped up so had to create his own hype and came out with silly comments.
Didn't take it as aggressive at all mate. Easy to see through the hype though, not many live up to it. AJ, Fury, Wilder all decent (Wilder can't box but can hit) bit need to face each other otherwise it's all hot air
And that is probably the main problem in heavyweight, they dont fight each other they dodge each other and fuck about over money and locations and so we end up with Ruiz as champ. Its a joke and has been for a while
Regardless of what did or didn't happen on the night, this all needs to be put into perspective once AJ's career has worked its way through.
Plenty of top class heavyweights have had bad defeats on their records, and gone onto to regain the title, and or have brilliant careers - Bruno, Ali, Frasier, Norton, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and others.
Most significantly Vlad Klitcko had two horrendous losses in the early 2000's to Saunders and Brewster, yet came back to dominate the division for a decade, so there is a precedent there.
The reaction of Joshua post fight, and the speed with which the rematch has been booked in, suggests that AJ and his camp, know that something was badly wrong, and they would be confident in the rematch.
Nobody to blame but himself according to...himself.
This rematch will now become the hottest ticket in boxing and I can see the yanks lapping it up. Expect it to be in the States again. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this whole loss to Ruiz was in the plan to get the US on board and to single handedly crack the heavyweight division wide open.
Nobody to blame but himself according to...himself.
This rematch will now become the hottest ticket in boxing and I can see the yanks lapping it up. Expect it to be in the States again. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this whole loss to Ruiz was in the plan to get the US on board and to single handedly crack the heavyweight division wide open.the easiest
Nobody to blame but himself according to...himself.
This rematch will now become the hottest ticket in boxing and I can see the yanks lapping it up. Expect it to be in the States again. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this whole loss to Ruiz was in the plan to get the US on board and to single handedly crack the heavyweight division wide open.
Most interesting thing on that video was what he didn't say - rather than what he did.
No denial of being floored in training and didnt deny being concussed - which would suggest that he insisted the fight went ahead.
I'm surprised he was allowed to if true - must be a protocol regarding concussion.
Having had a bad concussion as a kid i'm not convinced that AJ would have fought like he did, including the combination that put Ruiz down in the third if he had a concussion going into the ring. After AJ was hit in the head for his first Knock down there were lots of signs he then wasn't compos mentis, leading to his comments to his corner and his movement in the ring.
Steve Bunce said as Joshua hit the deck for the 4th time that "not making excuses" but he has had a cold and wasn't 100%. Man flu strikes again.
Regardless of what did or didn't happen on the night, this all needs to be put into perspective once AJ's career has worked its way through.
Plenty of top class heavyweights have had bad defeats on their records, and gone onto to regain the title, and or have brilliant careers - Bruno, Ali, Frasier, Norton, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and others.
Most significantly Vlad Klitcko had two horrendous losses in the early 2000's to Saunders and Brewster, yet came back to dominate the division for a decade, so there is a precedent there.
The reaction of Joshua post fight, and the speed with which the rematch has been booked in, suggests that AJ and his camp, know that something was badly wrong, and they would be confident in the rematch.
If he doesn't get it booked in, is there a risk of Ruiz being given a different mandatory challenger?
also, who else is AJ going to fight? without the belts he has no appeal for the top fighters.
Anyone wondering why boxing is in the state it is should have a great read of this thread.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
The only person who seems to be taking this loss 'like a man', and not making any excuses is Joshua himself. Considering I have never been his biggest fan, I now have a lot more respect for him, and the way he has handled this loss.
Anyone wondering why boxing is in the state it is should have a great read of this thread.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
Lose the rematch and its probably dream over, which is undeniable.
nth london addick I enjoy your input on this thread but I would have to disagree with you regarding the boxing ability of Fury and Lewis.
I do not dispute that Fury is the most skilled Boxer of this generation and I enjoy watching him but I do not believe he was as skilled as Lewis. Having a good jab, knowing how to throw it, when and where to throw is Boxing ability, having solid foundations and cutting the ring off is also boxing ability, cutting the ring off is aggressive footwork. I don't think its just about defensive movement which is an area Fury is superior in.
Fury is a more negative fighter than Lewis an operates on the back foot most of the time where as Lewis was much more aggressive. Lewis's ring generalship, his Jab, his combinations and for the most part defense which was pretty good. Fury moves great for a heavyweight but he is not some Heavyweight Mayweather who barely gets hit, he gets touched in most fights.
Lewis for me would beat all of the current crop of heavyweights. Still just one mans opinion,
Anyone wondering why boxing is in the state it is should have a great read of this thread.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
Exactly this. Fury was about 2-3 seconds away from losing to Wilder, a fight in which he was the better man. Would it have been the end of his career at 30 had he not got up?
Anyone wondering why boxing is in the state it is should have a great read of this thread.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
Exactly this. Fury was about 2-3 seconds away from losing to Wilder, a fight in which he was the better man. Would it have been the end of his career at 30 had he not got up?
Fury was fighting Wilder not Ruiz - the manner of AJ's defeat to a supposed journeyman boxer is a little more alarming.
Time will tell whether AJ proves the doubters wrong....
Anyone wondering why boxing is in the state it is should have a great read of this thread.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
Exactly this. Fury was about 2-3 seconds away from losing to Wilder, a fight in which he was the better man. Would it have been the end of his career at 30 had he not got up?
Fury was fighting Wilder not Ruiz - the manner of AJ's defeat to a supposed journeyman boxer is a little more alarming.
Time will tell whether AJ proves the doubters wrong....
I mean the bloke had 105 - 5 amateur record and had only lost one contentious decision to Parker in his professional career!!
Anyone wondering why boxing is in the state it is should have a great read of this thread.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
Exactly this. Fury was about 2-3 seconds away from losing to Wilder, a fight in which he was the better man. Would it have been the end of his career at 30 had he not got up?
Fury was fighting Wilder not Ruiz - the manner of AJ's defeat to a supposed journeyman boxer is a little more alarming.
Time will tell whether AJ proves the doubters wrong....
I mean the bloke had 105 - 5 amateur record and had only lost one contentious decision to Parker in his professional career!!
He was sold as a journeyman - the odds for AJ to win were ridiculous. Be interesting to see how the return goes.
Ruiz was underrated. Joshua was the first to knock him down in a professional fight, he had 30 wins and just one loss (which was debatable.) he's unconventional but the fat jokes and general attitude towards him were clearly wide of the mark. Joshua has a lot of work to do for the rematch IMO whatever happened prior to this one.
I've just watched the AJ/Ruiz fight for the first time. I'm not a boxing expert, but like many sports fans, watch most of the "big fights". The fight reminded a little of the Ali/Frazier days. Ali like AJ the favourite taller man with the longer reach, the boxer. Frazier like Ruiz the shorter squatter man, more the fighter and less of the boxer.
I could see nothing wrong with AJ before he hit the deck. It looked to me like AJ underestimated Ruiz and was in total shock when dumped on his arse. He was over confident and didn't know what to do, his brain wasn't in the right state of mind and then his legs went. His defence was poor unlike Ali who could lean on the ropes with his gloves in front of his face and let Frazier punch himself out for literally minutes. AJ let far too many shots through and he couldn't take them, not sure many could.
On the evidence of what I saw AJ will be in trouble in the rematch if he gets caught in another fight with Ruiz. AJ needs to keep Ruiz at arms length by jabbing away and he wasn't able to this time and then he wasn't able to defend properly.
Ruiz was brilliant and deserves a lot of credit (especially when you look at his apparent shape/fitness).
Going into dirty Leeds camp tomorrow fully behind my good pal josh warrington
I hear Dom ingle got a slap today from the Leeds boys after having far too much to say this Week
will have ave a nice brew with the warrior camp tomorrow and hopefully some celebrating beers not the easiest fight out there but one josh has to win to get the big big fights and me over to Vegas or MSG
so much Man love for josh and his team really great normal people I hope you get behind him and not the drug taking shit from Sheffield
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Plenty of top class heavyweights have had bad defeats on their records, and gone onto to regain the title, and or have brilliant careers - Bruno, Ali, Frasier, Norton, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and others.
Most significantly Vlad Klitcko had two horrendous losses in the early 2000's to Saunders and Brewster, yet came back to dominate the division for a decade, so there is a precedent there.
The reaction of Joshua post fight, and the speed with which the rematch has been booked in, suggests that AJ and his camp, know that something was badly wrong, and they would be confident in the rematch.
Nobody to blame but himself according to...himself.
This rematch will now become the hottest ticket in boxing and I can see the yanks lapping it up. Expect it to be in the States again.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this whole loss to Ruiz was in the plan to get the US on board and to single handedly crack the heavyweight division wide open.
The yanks are loving this.
The capital of obesity have a new people's champion.
No denial of being floored in training and didnt deny being concussed - which would suggest that he insisted the fight went ahead.
Steve Bunce said as Joshua hit the deck for the 4th time that "not making excuses" but he has had a cold and wasn't 100%.
Man flu strikes again.
also, who else is AJ going to fight? without the belts he has no appeal for the top fighters.
One very poor and shock loss and it's game over apparently.
So much misplaced focus in modern boxing is placed on having that seemingly all important "0" losses hence why fighters who can sell tickets have a parade of tens of "gimmee" punchbags put in front of them to build a superficial record.
The best fighters in history lost fights other than the likes of Mayweather who had his machine behind him to ensure that never happened and he picked his fights to suit (albeit he is undoubtedly a world class fighter)
Joshua won't be remembered in the same league as the likes of Tyson but he is in no way another Bruno.
Can't understand the melodrama that this is one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, he's finished etc... at that weight a well timed punch will floor anyone. If he wasn't right/ focused going into the fight then it's one of those things and he he will bounce back from this should he so wish.
People lament the modern pantomime where the people behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder have moved heaven and earth to make sure them actually meeting each other regularly or on anything but the most contrived and protracted terms but it's as a result of the misplaced importance of a loss being the end of the myth that the masses seem to place so much importance on.
Would rather fury, wilder and joshua fight each other 3 times losing bouts on the way than the ridiculous "don't lose at all costs" situation that is modern heavyweight boxing in a very drab and uninspiring era.
I'm not saying one loss makes him a nobody, just that the queue of people wanting to fight a champion follows the reigning champion.
Time will tell whether AJ proves the doubters wrong....
Either AJ is overrated or Ruiz underrated?
it was just a shock result. in the rematch he can right the wrong
Joshua has a lot of work to do for the rematch IMO whatever happened prior to this one.
I'm not a boxing expert, but like many sports fans, watch most of the "big fights".
The fight reminded a little of the Ali/Frazier days.
Ali like AJ the favourite taller man with the longer reach, the boxer.
Frazier like Ruiz the shorter squatter man, more the fighter and less of the boxer.
I could see nothing wrong with AJ before he hit the deck.
It looked to me like AJ underestimated Ruiz and was in total shock when dumped on his arse.
He was over confident and didn't know what to do, his brain wasn't in the right state of mind and then his legs went.
His defence was poor unlike Ali who could lean on the ropes with his gloves in front of his face and let Frazier punch himself out for literally minutes.
AJ let far too many shots through and he couldn't take them, not sure many could.
On the evidence of what I saw AJ will be in trouble in the rematch if he gets caught in another fight with Ruiz.
AJ needs to keep Ruiz at arms length by jabbing away and he wasn't able to this time and then he wasn't able to defend properly.
Ruiz was brilliant and deserves a lot of credit (especially when you look at his apparent shape/fitness).
I hear Dom ingle got a slap today from the Leeds boys after having far too much to say this Week
will have ave a nice brew with the warrior camp tomorrow and hopefully some celebrating beers not the easiest fight out there but one josh has to win to get the big big fights and me over to Vegas or MSG
so much Man love for josh and his team really great normal people I hope you get behind him and not the drug taking shit from Sheffield