Think Riga's realised he's not the player he was before he went to West Ham. He also has a big ego, so won't be happy being a bench warmer. He could have stayed at Upton Park doing that and watching a better quality of football. Anyway, that's me guessing. If you want to know for certain, PM Colin.
We failed to Charltonise him first time around. An admitted mistake and when the chance came to complete the job, back he came. He now is the finished Charlton product, shit.
We failed to Charltonise him first time around. An admitted mistake and when the chance came to complete the job, back he came. He now is the finished Charlton product, shit.
Seriously though, he's a shadow of the player we had two years ago. Anyone know how much compo we ended up getting for him?
I think the only compensation that RD (the incredibly smart businessman) and KM (his incredibly smart CEO) were able to negotiate was to get one player on loan from West Ham. Turned out it was Poyet.
Seriously though, he's a shadow of the player we had two years ago. Anyone know how much compo we ended up getting for him?
I think the only compensation that RD (the incredibly smart businessman) and KM (his incredibly smart CEO) were able to negotiate was to get one player on loan from West Ham. Turned out it was Poyet.
I think in the year he was with us he benefited from having Jacko and Cousins in the midfield with him. The two of them could cover a lot of ground and Poyet was allowed to sit deep, read the game, break up play, and then had two midfielders directly in front of him to play simple passes to. I sort of wonder if he's ready to be part of a midfield two which required a lot more running, which for a sitting midfielder can really mess with their style of play. It's also a position, the deep lying defensive midfielder, that is a bit out of fashion right now. You've seen the likes of Makelele, De Jong, Gilberto, Hargreaves etc. replaced by more mobile destroyers like Busquets, Vidal, and any number of French midfielders.
It should also be noted that he's played for four teams in the last 18 months (Hudds, West Ham, MK Dons, and Charlton) each of whom will have their own systems and style of play.
Lastly, that type of deep midfielder, even when they're doing their job well, it's very subtle and it's often based on closing players and passing lanes down, slowing opposition attacks, and then tackling and interception when possible.
None of this is to say he's doing well, and it feels like when he got the move to West Ham he might have put his feet up and said "I made it," but I do think there are other factors at play.
So for 379 minutes on the field (so far, and almost half of that in his first two games where we lost 11-0 on aggregate) we have paid his wages for three months. Another bargain. Presume he was signed by Meire (?) and once Riga returned that was pretty much that. Great business.
He still passes the ball accurately but has currently lost his knack of reading the game, intervening and tackling. He needs game time to retrieve these skills. He will probably come again..but I doubt if it will be with west ham. Silly (greedy) sod for leaving us in the first place when he was our star man.
I think in the year he was with us he benefited from having Jacko and Cousins in the midfield with him. The two of them could cover a lot of ground and Poyet was allowed to sit deep, read the game, break up play, and then had two midfielders directly in front of him to play simple passes to. I sort of wonder if he's ready to be part of a midfield two which required a lot more running, which for a sitting midfielder can really mess with their style of play. It's also a position, the deep lying defensive midfielder, that is a bit out of fashion right now. You've seen the likes of Makelele, De Jong, Gilberto, Hargreaves etc. replaced by more mobile destroyers like Busquets, Vidal, and any number of French midfielders.
It should also be noted that he's played for four teams in the last 18 months (Hudds, West Ham, MK Dons, and Charlton) each of whom will have their own systems and style of play.
Lastly, that type of deep midfielder, even when they're doing their job well, it's very subtle and it's often based on closing players and passing lanes down, slowing opposition attacks, and then tackling and interception when possible.
None of this is to say he's doing well, and it feels like when he got the move to West Ham he might have put his feet up and said "I made it," but I do think there are other factors at play.
Verratti can do all of that and has the passing ability just short of Pirlo.
I think in the year he was with us he benefited from having Jacko and Cousins in the midfield with him. The two of them could cover a lot of ground and Poyet was allowed to sit deep, read the game, break up play, and then had two midfielders directly in front of him to play simple passes to. I sort of wonder if he's ready to be part of a midfield two which required a lot more running, which for a sitting midfielder can really mess with their style of play. It's also a position, the deep lying defensive midfielder, that is a bit out of fashion right now. You've seen the likes of Makelele, De Jong, Gilberto, Hargreaves etc. replaced by more mobile destroyers like Busquets, Vidal, and any number of French midfielders.
It should also be noted that he's played for four teams in the last 18 months (Hudds, West Ham, MK Dons, and Charlton) each of whom will have their own systems and style of play.
Lastly, that type of deep midfielder, even when they're doing their job well, it's very subtle and it's often based on closing players and passing lanes down, slowing opposition attacks, and then tackling and interception when possible.
None of this is to say he's doing well, and it feels like when he got the move to West Ham he might have put his feet up and said "I made it," but I do think there are other factors at play.
Verratti can do all of that and has the passing ability just short of Pirlo.
And he's smaller than me!! I sort of subconsciously group him in with the French midfielders like Matuidi because he really broke through at PSG.
He's not even as good as he was 2 years ago, and if you can't make the bench of a team 23rd in the Championship, what does that say for your future? I reckon we will see him down at The Valley next year playing for an opposition team
Still can't understand why he wanted to leave our smoothly run first team coaching operation for bigger wages and miss out on the opportunity to ply his trade elsewhere for one of Rolands other clubs , strange move for him
I think in the year he was with us he benefited from having Jacko and Cousins in the midfield with him. The two of them could cover a lot of ground and Poyet was allowed to sit deep, read the game, break up play, and then had two midfielders directly in front of him to play simple passes to. I sort of wonder if he's ready to be part of a midfield two which required a lot more running, which for a sitting midfielder can really mess with their style of play. It's also a position, the deep lying defensive midfielder, that is a bit out of fashion right now. You've seen the likes of Makelele, De Jong, Gilberto, Hargreaves etc. replaced by more mobile destroyers like Busquets, Vidal, and any number of French midfielders.
It should also be noted that he's played for four teams in the last 18 months (Hudds, West Ham, MK Dons, and Charlton) each of whom will have their own systems and style of play.
Lastly, that type of deep midfielder, even when they're doing their job well, it's very subtle and it's often based on closing players and passing lanes down, slowing opposition attacks, and then tackling and interception when possible.
None of this is to say he's doing well, and it feels like when he got the move to West Ham he might have put his feet up and said "I made it," but I do think there are other factors at play.
Mate, can you be our next manager, you know more than peeters, Riga, fraye* and Luzon combined?!
I think in the year he was with us he benefited from having Jacko and Cousins in the midfield with him. The two of them could cover a lot of ground and Poyet was allowed to sit deep, read the game, break up play, and then had two midfielders directly in front of him to play simple passes to. I sort of wonder if he's ready to be part of a midfield two which required a lot more running, which for a sitting midfielder can really mess with their style of play. It's also a position, the deep lying defensive midfielder, that is a bit out of fashion right now. You've seen the likes of Makelele, De Jong, Gilberto, Hargreaves etc. replaced by more mobile destroyers like Busquets, Vidal, and any number of French midfielders.
It should also be noted that he's played for four teams in the last 18 months (Hudds, West Ham, MK Dons, and Charlton) each of whom will have their own systems and style of play.
Lastly, that type of deep midfielder, even when they're doing their job well, it's very subtle and it's often based on closing players and passing lanes down, slowing opposition attacks, and then tackling and interception when possible.
None of this is to say he's doing well, and it feels like when he got the move to West Ham he might have put his feet up and said "I made it," but I do think there are other factors at play.
No, he was brilliant that season. He's evidently either lost confidence or motivation; both could see the end of his chances of being a top level player
I was at a party with him a few years ago and he was an absolute dick. Hope this helps.
It probably does say a lot. He clearly made a financial decision, rather than a footballing one. He may pay for it with his career or at least the level of his career. I hope not, but he wasn't from a council estate, why didn't his dad give him the right advice? Crazy.
The truth is, he was ahead of Cousins at that point, now he isn't even close to Cousins. There is a young man who deserves a great career and I think he will have one.
Still can't understand why he wanted to leave our smoothly run first team coaching operation for bigger wages and miss out on the opportunity to ply his trade elsewhere for one of Rolands other clubs , strange move for him
Maybe he also found it hard to work with an intelligent and articulate female Sporting Executive who understands football, even if she's a businesswoman.
Another John Bostock? Young footballers need to be playing- not bench warming for a season or two. Take note Ademola Lookman.
I've been wondering 'what's happened to him' for some time. I was watching football on TV the other day when my mom mentioned Gus Poyet and I told her that his son was back with us but not playing much. She was genuinely surprised that a) he was back; b) he was not playing. She asked why he couldn't even start in our team (she knew we'd been in the relegation zone for a long time) but I didn't know how to answer that question.
Now I do. I remember watching a West Ham game on TV the season he joined them and seeing him sit on the bench. I was thinking 'that won't be good for his career' but the thoughts didn't linger too long. (Too much was happening at Charlton I didn't have much time for things happening at other clubs even if they were related to former Addicks) We do have a regime that knows almost nothing about running a football club but I still think that Diego Poyet made the wrong move that summer - he probably should've either stayed or gone to a place where he could get game time. He was 19, not 29. He needed to play. Maybe his father overestimated his ability at the time.
Should never have left when he did. Yet another young talented footballer badly advised. Didn't get games enough to progress and when out on loan not in an environment he was comfortable with. Why ? Because he hadn't finished his football education when he left Charlton. Now struggling to find a rythm to his game. He won't bounce back until West Ham cut their losses and he builds again. Leaving Charlton has probably set him back five years or more.
Another classic example of The Premier League having far too much money to punt on young talent without consideration to the money. It's a disgrace.
Ademola please take note although I think it's already too late in your case.
But it could be argued that letting him go originally was a stroke of genius by RD . We could easily have ended up paying high wage for four years for a player who can't even make the bench.
I think that's the first time I've ever seen "stroke of genius" and "RD" used in the same sentence!
Another John Bostock? Young footballers need to be playing- not bench warming for a season or two. Take note Ademola Lookman.
Agreed. Dele Alli shows that playing in league 1 doesn't hinder development
Alli is actually 2 years younger than Poyet, so he joined Spurs at a younger age than Poyet was when he joined West Ham. He's the rare case of a youngster joining a PL club and going straight into the team
I imagine Diego and Gus expected him to get plenty of game time with West Ham last season, but then they signed Alex Song
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Anyway, that's me guessing. If you want to know for certain, PM Colin.
I literally never saw him do anything of note in any game.
It should also be noted that he's played for four teams in the last 18 months (Hudds, West Ham, MK Dons, and Charlton) each of whom will have their own systems and style of play.
Lastly, that type of deep midfielder, even when they're doing their job well, it's very subtle and it's often based on closing players and passing lanes down, slowing opposition attacks, and then tackling and interception when possible.
None of this is to say he's doing well, and it feels like when he got the move to West Ham he might have put his feet up and said "I made it," but I do think there are other factors at play.
* Admittedly so does my two year old daughter.
The truth is, he was ahead of Cousins at that point, now he isn't even close to Cousins. There is a young man who deserves a great career and I think he will have one.
Young footballers need to be playing- not bench warming for a season or two.
Take note Ademola Lookman.
Now I do. I remember watching a West Ham game on TV the season he joined them and seeing him sit on the bench. I was thinking 'that won't be good for his career' but the thoughts didn't linger too long. (Too much was happening at Charlton I didn't have much time for things happening at other clubs even if they were related to former Addicks) We do have a regime that knows almost nothing about running a football club but I still think that Diego Poyet made the wrong move that summer - he probably should've either stayed or gone to a place where he could get game time. He was 19, not 29. He needed to play. Maybe his father overestimated his ability at the time.
Another classic example of The Premier League having far too much money to punt on young talent without consideration to the money. It's a disgrace.
Ademola please take note although I think it's already too late in your case.
I think that's the first time I've ever seen "stroke of genius" and "RD" used in the same sentence!
I imagine Diego and Gus expected him to get plenty of game time with West Ham last season, but then they signed Alex Song