If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
Anyone guess which he will do?
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting.
My full time job is using creative accounting to get Manchester City around FFP. I use to work for Chelsea, but now that they have a transfer ban, they don't want me anymore.
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
Anyone guess which he will do?
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
See my hazy posts elsewhere but I have been told that some sides negotiate sell-ons on the whole fee, not the profit. Imagine if we sold Lookman for £10m, Leipzig paid £9m because Everton chose not to play him. We get nothing, for Leipzig he bangs in 25 and is sold to Barca for £70m. Not our fault, not Leipzig or Barca. Everton who get a sell-on from Leipzig, so they should pay for their mistake, not because they bought in a rising market.
So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
That's pretty amazing given our whole club is only worth £77M.
Don’t forget sell on clauses are usually a percentage of PROFIT rather than the whole fee. Would think that max would be £2m. Hopefully Lee can at least get Jonny Williams a bit more to temp him to sign.
So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
And we maximised what £15m-£20m of that monetary wise and prolly zero value footballing wise for us as a club (as in success with them playing for us)
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
Anyone guess which he will do?
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
Anyone guess which he will do?
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
Does my head in reading Everton fan views that he had a bad attitude and that they're glad he's gone - Cant blame the poor lad for being pissed off last season; Helped Leipzig into the Europa League (missing out on the Champions League by two points) and his parent club (not even in Europe last season) sign someone else
Not to mention the fact that his "advisors" are apparently his coaches from his days @ Waterloo FC so straight away reeks of bad attitude doesnt it!!
I think a lot of this is based on Marco Silva's comments about his lack of desire.
From as recently as March:
"He needs to understand what the coach wants coming from him, and any winger in our model, because, after that, the quality he has. He is a young football player but, being honest with you, I expect Ademola to be on a different level already this season."
“I keep believing, 100%, in his quality as a football player, there are no doubts about that, but what I want to see coming from him is the same desire coming from him, each day, to achieve that, to reach that level he wants and the level I believe he can play at."
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
Anyone guess which he will do?
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
See my hazy posts elsewhere but I have been told that some sides negotiate sell-ons on the whole fee, not the profit. Imagine if we sold Lookman for £10m, Leipzig paid £9m because Everton chose not to play him. We get nothing, for Leipzig he bangs in 25 and is sold to Barca for £70m. Not our fault, not Leipzig or Barca. Everton who get a sell-on from Leipzig, so they should pay for their mistake, not because they bought in a rising market.
I’d be surprised if this were the case. You sell a player for say 30m. He’s a total flop and you offload him for 10m. Yet you still have to pay his previous club 2m of that. So you are rewarding a club for selling you a dud?
I’m sure there are people on here who can shred a bit more light on this.
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B.
Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to
land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably
someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with
the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to
break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a
buyer.
Anyone guess which he will do?
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
See my hazy posts elsewhere but I have been told that some sides negotiate sell-ons on the whole fee, not the profit. Imagine if we sold Lookman for £10m, Leipzig paid £9m because Everton chose not to play him. We get nothing, for Leipzig he bangs in 25 and is sold to Barca for £70m. Not our fault, not Leipzig or Barca. Everton who get a sell-on from Leipzig, so they should pay for their mistake, not because they bought in a rising market.
I’d be surprised if this were the case. You sell a player for say 30m. He’s a total flop and you offload him for 10m. Yet you still have to pay his previous club 2m of that. So you are rewarding a club for selling you a dud?
I’m sure there are people on here who can shred a bit more light on this.
That's a chance the club takes surely.
In the same way that they buy a player for 30m and he turns out to be amazing and is sold for 100m.
However, i think the majority of sell on fees are based on a % of any profit on the player.
So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
Our role in Lookman is pretty small really. Signed from Waterloo aged 16 then sold 3 years later for a decent fee
By contrast the fees for Konsa and Gomez were much smaller AND we had them from a younger age, so the "expense" of developing them was much higher
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
Southampton also had to cough up as Lallana had a sell on clause dating back to when they signed him from Bournemouth as a boy!
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
I’d class £3m as significant
to me and you yes but to Roland?
It's considerably higher than this years transfer budget.
Do we know if sell on clauses were actually agreed, it could well have been we wanted one and they said no we will give you say £11m with no sell on clause. I would say the same with all the others probably do not have a sell on clause an oversight from who did the negotiations
Do we know if sell on clauses were actually agreed, it could well have been we wanted one and they said no we will give you say £11m with no sell on clause. I would say the same with all the others probably do not have a sell on clause an oversight from who did the negotiations
Oh dear...you're not pointing a finger at Katrien are you???
I spoke to the delightful Ms Meire when we sold Ademola and she said she deliberately inflated the price because she knew "the owners at Everton were both very wealthy and very stupid."
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A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
Hopefully, playing in Germany will kick start his career.
From as recently as March:
"He needs to understand what the coach wants coming from him, and any winger in our model, because, after that, the quality he has. He is a young football player but, being honest with you, I expect Ademola to be on a different level already this season."
“I keep believing, 100%, in his quality as a football player, there are no doubts about that, but what I want to see coming from him is the same desire coming from him, each day, to achieve that, to reach that level he wants and the level I believe he can play at."
I’m sure there are people on here who can shred a bit more light on this.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
In the same way that they buy a player for 30m and he turns out to be amazing and is sold for 100m.
However, i think the majority of sell on fees are based on a % of any profit on the player.
By contrast the fees for Konsa and Gomez were much smaller AND we had them from a younger age, so the "expense" of developing them was much higher
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
to me and you yes but to Roland?
Sincerely hoping for a good sell-on too