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Nathan Ashton - former player turns robber
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Good point. A pathway to societal re-integration needs to exist for those who can/want to take it.Covered End said:
The majority in the UK return to prison quite quickly due in no small part to lack of accomodation and few wish to employ them.ElfsborgAddick said:I hope that people that serve a prison sentence can come out a better person and not reoffend.11 -
There has to be a mechanism by which prisoners are incentivised to behave well during their sentence. Obviously in this particular case the system failed abysmally but no system is fail safe. We need to lock up people who commit violent crimes and those that continually reoffend but keeping people who for want of a better phrase “have learned their lesson” in prison is in nobody’s best interest. Going back to Nathan Ashtons case. He should forfeit his right to any suggestion of early release and in fact I can’t see any parole board sanctioning an early release based on his previous.golfaddick said:
Yes I did. But it shouldn't.Alwaysneil said:
You do realise that when sentencing, it is known that prisoners with good behaviour will be released with 50% of rhe sentence served (now 40% I believe) and the sentences given reflect that knowledge?golfaddick said:All that's wrong with the criminal system.
He was given 15 (FIFTEEN) years in 2015 for armed robbery....... so how comes he was out in 2022 to rape someone.
We need to build a load more prisons so that prisoners are not released early. 15 years should mean 15 years.
Might as well make a 15 year stretch 7 years.
And perhaps his 2nd 15 year stretch should mean 15 as obviously "good behaviour" is foriegn to him.5 -
Norway has the lowest recidivism rate and the US the highest. I never understand the desire to follow the US model.19
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Many years ago I worked for a firm that occasionally employed young people on licence after they had served custodial sentences. Only a few remained on the straight and narrow but it was a chance to become rehabilitated. Then you have the dickhead who boasts about doing porridge standing on his head and wants to brag about what he was in for.Covered End said:
The majority in the UK return to prison quite quickly due in no small part to lack of accomodation and few wish to employ them.ElfsborgAddick said:I hope that people that serve a prison sentence can come out a better person and not reoffend.1 -
Agreed. The problem is very little is spent in our prison systems on rehabilitation. In Scandinavia they focus less on just punishment overall and a lot more on the person who will come out of prison and the recidivism rates are around 20% in Norway, which is pretty incredible. The best thing you can do for society is try and make sure offenders don't reoffend. The length of the sentence doesn't have to be such an issue if the people who are getting out aren't committing crimes again instead of just using the prison system to delay them from further offences.ElfsborgAddick said:I hope that people that serve a prison sentence can come out a better person and not reoffend.8 -
I’m afraid this country is far too conservative and angry to look at any proven and enlightened change to how we do things.Garrymanilow said:
Agreed. The problem is very little is spent in our prison systems on rehabilitation. In Scandinavia they focus less on just punishment overall and a lot more on the person who will come out of prison and the recidivism rates are around 20% in Norway, which is pretty incredible. The best thing you can do for society is try and make sure offenders don't reoffend. The length of the sentence doesn't have to be such an issue if the people who are getting out aren't committing crimes again instead of just using the prison system to delay them from further offences.ElfsborgAddick said:I hope that people that serve a prison sentence can come out a better person and not reoffend.11 -
He was on home leave from prison at the time of the second attack, surely that fucks any early release from the original 15 years.7
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Populist backlash. Just look at the 1988 presidential election. William Horton walked away from his furlough and committed some horrendous crimes and that was used to batter Michael Dukakis and his ideas for reducing recidivism. Bush launched an aggressive, racist campaign to tie Horton to Dukakis and put fear into the general populace despite furlough generally being an effective tool for rehabilitation. Previously the most liberal furlough programme had been under Reagan - with Bush as his VP - but Bush knew he could stir up the media off the back of one misuse of the system and ever since then there's been a race to appear tougher on crime in the US. It's even easier to spread this kind of stuff in the media now and people are far more susceptible to fearmongering than cold statistics. No government or potential government is going to risk getting nutmegged on something like this so we just have to appear tough on crime forever no matter how many additional people are harmed along the way. It's a real shame.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Norway has the lowest recidivism rate and the US the highest. I never understand the desire to follow the US model.
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It's the very definition of madness to keep doing more and more of the same thing, that's not flipping working, and expecting a different result.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Norway has the lowest recidivism rate and the US the highest. I never understand the desire to follow the US model.
As in so many things the Scandinavians have thought calmly about the issue, listened to the experts, looked at what works and implemented a policy that benefits their society as a whole.
It's happening here in the UK, but not nearly enough or on the scale required. This scheme in Oxford for example results in recidivism rates massively lower than the average.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/14/oxford-brewery-helps-cut-reoffending-rates-by-training-jail-leavers-to-make-ale"Of more than 50 prison leavers taken on by Tap since it opened in 2016, just 6% have reoffended. The equivalent national average figure is about 50%. The business has now expanded to open three bars and a bakery – all partially staffed by former convicts – to accompany the original brewery.
Rehabilitated staff, meanwhile, have gone on to work in a variety of careers, including construction, security, hospitality and car sales..."
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I've always believed that you are sent to prison as punishment, rather than for punishment.
From a selfish perspective, if these people aren't going to be in prison for the rest of their lives which almost every prisoner is not, I want as much done to give them the best chance of not commiting another crime against an innocent victim again.
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That’s a poorly written description.clive said:Ex-Premier League footballer Nathan Ashton jailed for raping two women in separate sex attacks
Nathan Ashton, now 37, has been sentenced to 16 years for two separate sex attacks, eight years apart, at Reading Crown Court
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/nathan-ashton-jailed-rape-women-332569800 -
Served half his sentence and let out to commit more crimes.
Good to see sympathy for the victim as usual. And its going to get worse in the next few years under new management, But hey ho people will only care when it effects them.
He will be out in 5.3 -
What do you propose then? More prisons?Chippycafc said:Served half his sentence and let out to commit more crimes.
Good to see sympathy for the victim as usual. And its going to get worse in the next few years under new management, But hey ho people will only care when it effects them.
He will be out in 5.
You never offer a solution.1 -
People have suggested he deserves being raped and murdered, odd sympathy.Chippycafc said:Served half his sentence and let out to commit more crimes.
Good to see sympathy for the victim as usual. And its going to get worse in the next few years under new management, But hey ho people will only care when it effects them.
He will be out in 5.2 -
Not odd for some of our posters...Stu_of_Kunming said:
People have suggested he deserves being raped and murdered, odd sympathy.Chippycafc said:Served half his sentence and let out to commit more crimes.
Good to see sympathy for the victim as usual. And its going to get worse in the next few years under new management, But hey ho people will only care when it effects them.
He will be out in 5.2 -
How about death? No need for reforming. Simple.
Before you all go ballistic, think of the innocent party as being your daughter.12
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