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  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    stonewallpenalty said:

    Friendlies mean nothing.

    England have beaten France, Germany and Portugal within the last 9 months.


    Every single year people panic.

    Some people do tend to overreact to friendly results.
    However, I think any concern and " panic" is more to do with the worry that the brave new world of " learning from our mistakes" extends only to appointing Russell Slade and bringing in 3 forwards.
    What' s the saying, " Is that all you've got?"
    Wait and see is probably the sensible advice, but given the regimes track record and yes the unreliable evidence of friendlies I am not surprised that people are quick to sense more impending failure.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    sam3110 said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Valley11 said:


    I don't think we'll have the record breaking champs of our last stay in league one. But I do reckon we'll have a battle hardened play off side. Which for a club our size is less than should be expected. Without Slade though, I reckon it would be worse.

    What are you basing that on?

    Currently we don't look like having a squad anywhere else close to being able to compete in the top 6. Might not a have a senior keeper, could be starting with Roger Johnson at the back, we have an ageing, slow midfield with no creativity, and only 2 decent strikers (i'm assuming Watt will still leave). Nowhere close to being good enough for a 46 game season.
    I hate to say it though... What are you basing your facts on that we won't be a strong Play-Off side?

    At the moment our pre-season is proving typical of many years gone by, nothing has changed in that respect... Plus I still feel we're in a much weaker League One to the one we were last in
    Not only does the league look weaker than last time, you have to remember that though our midfield looks devoid of creativity and out backline is ageing and slow, so will many of the teams in League 1. I think with the right signings (debatable if we'll make them but there's still 6 weeks) then we have a good shot. Relegation talk is mind blowing
    Re relegation - i wouldn't say mind blowing, but you're right - we shouldn't be thinking that way. But were not a normal club. Anything is possible with the current owners. I don't think we will go down, but I'm going to have a small wager on it. Nothing that happens at this club comes as a surprise anymore.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    Until the creativity / playmaker role in central midfield is addressed we are going to find it hard to beat a drum never mind the likes of Millwall.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,377
    edited July 2016
    I'm not worried about pre-season results but RD and KM not learning from their mistakes. Any new signings will have missed the Austria trip and potentially could be behind in terms of fitness. If we don't make enough signings we know what will happen as its we've seen it in the last two seasons.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,171
    Friendlies do not mean nothing. The results aren't that important but it gives a look at the depth of the squad. Granted, they don't mean a great deal either, but the only thing worse than people predicting doom and gloom off a friendly result are the people calling those reporting back from matches as 'bed wetters' because they can see possible gaps in the squad.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Valley11 said:


    I don't think we'll have the record breaking champs of our last stay in league one. But I do reckon we'll have a battle hardened play off side. Which for a club our size is less than should be expected. Without Slade though, I reckon it would be worse.

    What are you basing that on?

    Currently we don't look like having a squad anywhere else close to being able to compete in the top 6. Might not a have a senior keeper, could be starting with Roger Johnson at the back, we have an ageing, slow midfield with no creativity, and only 2 decent strikers (i'm assuming Watt will still leave). Nowhere close to being good enough for a 46 game season.
    I hate to say it though... What are you basing your facts on that we won't be a strong Play-Off side?

    At the moment our pre-season is proving typical of many years gone by, nothing has changed in that respect... Plus I still feel we're in a much weaker League One to the one we were last in
    Well compared to the Powell championship winning team the difference is he was backed with a coherent squad strategy in the close season so most of the new signings were available for most of the pre-season. And the previous relegated team retained good players both young and old. We were able to start the season with Burton, Shelvey, Sam and Bailey. We know what went wrong with that team but it won its first 6 games.

    By contrast we are conducting a fire sale of goalkeepers simply because they can be "monetised"
  • All_Thaid_Up
    All_Thaid_Up Posts: 2,293
    Does anyone know how Slade set up his teams in the lower divisions? Everyone keeps mentioning a lack of creativity in the midfield, perhaps he doesn't set his team up that way. - I have no idea hence the question, were his teams hard to beat but also lacking style?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    PragueAddick said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Valley11 said:


    I don't think we'll have the record breaking champs of our last stay in league one. But I do reckon we'll have a battle hardened play off side. Which for a club our size is less than should be expected. Without Slade though, I reckon it would be worse.

    What are you basing that on?

    Currently we don't look like having a squad anywhere else close to being able to compete in the top 6. Might not a have a senior keeper, could be starting with Roger Johnson at the back, we have an ageing, slow midfield with no creativity, and only 2 decent strikers (i'm assuming Watt will still leave). Nowhere close to being good enough for a 46 game season.
    I hate to say it though... What are you basing your facts on that we won't be a strong Play-Off side?

    At the moment our pre-season is proving typical of many years gone by, nothing has changed in that respect... Plus I still feel we're in a much weaker League One to the one we were last in
    Well compared to the Powell championship winning team the difference is he was backed with a coherent squad strategy in the close season so most of the new signings were available for most of the pre-season. And the previous relegated team retained good players both young and old. We were able to start the season with Burton, Shelvey, Sam and Bailey. We know what went wrong with that team but it won its first 6 games.

    By contrast we are conducting a fire sale of goalkeepers simply because they can be "monetised"
    And to be fair they want to leave. That's a big consideration.

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    All_Thaid_Up said:

    Does anyone know how Slade set up his teams in the lower divisions? Everyone keeps mentioning a lack of creativity in the midfield, perhaps he doesn't set his team up that way. - I have no idea hence the question, were his teams hard to beat but also lacking style?

    He used to have Dean Cox though @ Leyton Orient and he was a very good playmaker at this level.

    In terms of the table from that season only Wolves and Rotherham scored more goals than Orient whilst only Brentford and Wolves conceded less
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,982
    Garrymanilow said:

    Friendlies do not mean nothing. The results aren't that important but it gives a look at the depth of the squad. Granted, they don't mean a great deal either, but the only thing worse than people predicting doom and gloom off a friendly result are the people calling those reporting back from matches as 'bed wetters' because they can see possible gaps in the squad.

    Yet there's also a difference in knowing the squad needs strengthening and complaining about the way we play 2 weeks into pre-season.
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  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,338
    sam3110 said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Valley11 said:


    I don't think we'll have the record breaking champs of our last stay in league one. But I do reckon we'll have a battle hardened play off side. Which for a club our size is less than should be expected. Without Slade though, I reckon it would be worse.

    What are you basing that on?

    Currently we don't look like having a squad anywhere else close to being able to compete in the top 6. Might not a have a senior keeper, could be starting with Roger Johnson at the back, we have an ageing, slow midfield with no creativity, and only 2 decent strikers (i'm assuming Watt will still leave). Nowhere close to being good enough for a 46 game season.
    I hate to say it though... What are you basing your facts on that we won't be a strong Play-Off side?

    At the moment our pre-season is proving typical of many years gone by, nothing has changed in that respect... Plus I still feel we're in a much weaker League One to the one we were last in
    Not only does the league look weaker than last time, you have to remember that though our midfield looks devoid of creativity and out backline is ageing and slow, so will many of the teams in League 1. I think with the right signings (debatable if we'll make them but there's still 6 weeks) then we have a good shot. Relegation talk is mind blowing
    It's 3 Saturdays till the first game. Sincerely hope we're not scrabbling around for players 3 weeks into the season.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679
    As things stand we will have a young inexperienced keeper, fox and Johnson in defence ,2 old men in central mid and a very weak bench.
    The season is almost upon us so let's hope we bring a couple in ASAP
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    As each day goes by the hopper in me wants us to go down again, and to then laugh at the apologists who still think Duchatelet is the savior and that squirrel face is not a liar.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,982
    ElfsborgAddick said:

    As each day goes by the hopper in me wants us to go down again, and to then laugh at the apologists who still think Duchatelet is the savior and that squirrel face is not a liar.

    Like who? There's nobody with a brain left that thinks that
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    edited July 2016
    ValleyGary said:

    ElfsborgAddick said:

    As each day goes by the hopper in me wants us to go down again, and to then laugh at the apologists who still think Duchatelet is the savior and that squirrel face is not a liar.

    Like who? There's nobody with a brain left that thinks that
    I think 2500 people not renewing may understand.

    Anyone with a brain will know we are being f***** over.
  • stonewallpenalty
    stonewallpenalty Posts: 3,842
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

    stonewallpenalty said:

    Friendlies mean nothing.

    England have beaten France, Germany and Portugal within the last 9 months.


    Every single year people panic.

    Some people do tend to overreact to friendly results.
    However, I think any concern and " panic" is more to do with the worry that the brave new world of " learning from our mistakes" extends only to appointing Russell Slade and bringing in 3 forwards.
    What' s the saying, " Is that all you've got?"
    Wait and see is probably the sensible advice, but given the regimes track record and yes the unreliable evidence of friendlies I am not surprised that people are quick to sense more impending failure.
    Agree.
  • Viewfinder
    Viewfinder Posts: 4,911
    edited July 2016
    We crashed forward in one particular game last season, got a ricochet for a corner, and the opposing defender swivelled, glaring at his keeper: "How DARE you mess it up." We lost 3-0, home at The Valley.

    There was another telling vignette in front 15,000 fans when relegation was only a possibility. Ball thrown from Pope to set our man free, rushing forward on the right wing, oceans of space, opponents struggling to get back. He received - awkwardly - passed to his runner behind rather than in front, so he had to back-track to collect. We lost possession yet again.

    And lost 3-0. That is a simple lack of basic ability. We all know Carol Fraeye was an eighteen-year-old student in a nylon shirt wetting his knickers about actually managing a professional team, but don't you think our captain, Jonny Jackson, should have said something to the players themselves: "Fuck him. We'll do it this way..."

    That was another hapless 3-0 defeat.

    The look of hate from the Huddersfield defender to another - "How DARE you leave me exposed like that!" - is electric between players with skill and talent, and the toughness to play and win. Meanwhile, at Charlton...

    Isn't it about bloody time we stamped our authority on this game?

  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,338
    Viewfinder said:

    We crashed forward in one particular game last season, got a ricochet for a corner, and the opposing defender swivelled, glaring at his keeper: "How DARE you mess it up." We lost 3-0, home at The Valley.

    There was another telling vignette in front 15,000 fans when relegation was only a possibility. Ball thrown from Pope to set our man free, rushing forward on the right wing, oceans of space, opponents struggling to get back. He received - awkwardly - passed to his runner behind rather than in front, so he had to back-track to collect. We lost possession yet again.

    And lost 3-0. That is a simple lack of basic ability. We all know Carol Fraeye was an eighteen-year-old student in a nylon shirt wetting his knickers about actually managing a professional team, but don't you think our captain, Jonny Jackson, should have said something to the players themselves: "Fuck him. We'll do it this way..."

    That was another hapless 3-0 defeat.

    The look of hate from the Huddersfield defender to another - "How DARE you leave me exposed like that!" - is electric between players with skill and talent, and the toughness to play and win. Meanwhile, at Charlton...

    Isn't it about bloody time we stamped our authority on this game?


    Lost 2-1 at home to Huddersfield. Good story though.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,270
    daveydanger said:

    Viewfinder said:

    We crashed forward in one particular game last season, got a ricochet for a corner, and the opposing defender swivelled, glaring at his keeper: "How DARE you mess it up." We lost 3-0, home at The Valley.

    There was another telling vignette in front 15,000 fans when relegation was only a possibility. Ball thrown from Pope to set our man free, rushing forward on the right wing, oceans of space, opponents struggling to get back. He received - awkwardly - passed to his runner behind rather than in front, so he had to back-track to collect. We lost possession yet again.

    And lost 3-0. That is a simple lack of basic ability. We all know Carol Fraeye was an eighteen-year-old student in a nylon shirt wetting his knickers about actually managing a professional team, but don't you think our captain, Jonny Jackson, should have said something to the players themselves: "Fuck him. We'll do it this way..."

    That was another hapless 3-0 defeat.

    The look of hate from the Huddersfield defender to another - "How DARE you leave me exposed like that!" - is electric between players with skill and talent, and the toughness to play and win. Meanwhile, at Charlton...

    Isn't it about bloody time we stamped our authority on this game?


    Lost 2-1 at home to Huddersfield. Good story though.
    Don't let facts get in the way of Viewfinder's rambling, nonsensical prose.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    That goal we conceded was embarrassing! Lol
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  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,338
    sam3110 said:

    daveydanger said:

    Viewfinder said:

    We crashed forward in one particular game last season, got a ricochet for a corner, and the opposing defender swivelled, glaring at his keeper: "How DARE you mess it up." We lost 3-0, home at The Valley.

    There was another telling vignette in front 15,000 fans when relegation was only a possibility. Ball thrown from Pope to set our man free, rushing forward on the right wing, oceans of space, opponents struggling to get back. He received - awkwardly - passed to his runner behind rather than in front, so he had to back-track to collect. We lost possession yet again.

    And lost 3-0. That is a simple lack of basic ability. We all know Carol Fraeye was an eighteen-year-old student in a nylon shirt wetting his knickers about actually managing a professional team, but don't you think our captain, Jonny Jackson, should have said something to the players themselves: "Fuck him. We'll do it this way..."

    That was another hapless 3-0 defeat.

    The look of hate from the Huddersfield defender to another - "How DARE you leave me exposed like that!" - is electric between players with skill and talent, and the toughness to play and win. Meanwhile, at Charlton...

    Isn't it about bloody time we stamped our authority on this game?


    Lost 2-1 at home to Huddersfield. Good story though.
    Don't let facts get in the way of Viewfinder's rambling, nonsensical prose.
    Also, Jackson an unused sub. Lol
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Dazzler21 said:

    That goal we conceded was embarrassing! Lol

    Looked half a yard offside to me.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    ricky_otto said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    That goal we conceded was embarrassing! Lol

    Looked half a yard offside to me.
    Freekick that slipped through the goalies legs for a long distance *Nuts*
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,621
    Dazzler21 said:

    ricky_otto said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    That goal we conceded was embarrassing! Lol

    Looked half a yard offside to me.
    Freekick that slipped through the goalies legs for a long distance *Nuts*
    Charlie Wright
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Aww... Aint this nice, whenever our Goalkeeper's have it bad, just remember... there is always someone worse

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36825388
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Aww... Aint this nice, whenever our Goalkeeper's have it bad, just remember... there is always someone worse

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36825388

    Lol, love the way the keeper gives daggers to the defender, she needs to work on her own ball control before throwing out looks like that.

    Womens football.........meh!
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    That goalie is something else...
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,171
    That's why you never put a backpass on target
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    Garrymanilow said:

    That's why you never put a backpass on target

    Thank you! Bothered me beyond belief.

    Also, poor ball out from the keeper in the first place.

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