Fans can hurl abuse at a player but when they retaliate we start complaining.
Double standards.
Yes - because he is meant to be a professional - and I very much doubt all in earshot had been hurling abuse at him. I would think better of him if he had the guts to apologise of his own accord.
I will add that I'm not agreeing with what happened.
To the tune of if you are happy and you know it...
If you can't make a difference don't turn up, If you can't make a difference don't turn up, If you're going to swear at fans, Going to swear at fans, If you're going to swear at fans don't turn up.
If you're name is Roger johnson, Don't turn up, If your name is Roger johnson don't turn up, There's more money out in India More money out in India, To the fans here you're a wanker please eff off.
I have some sympathy with the poor diddums rich chite player not getting unquestioning devotion from the fans and pouting bit.
However.
He said something along the lines of 'if you don't like it don't come', which does not seem to be a defensive protect yourself reaction. More like a footballer who is 'considerably richer than yeow' regarding fans as plebs that he would rather not have around contaminating his bubble universe that he has structured around himself.
If you don't like it don't come.
Does not come across as quite the instant reaction of a verbally attacked player, but more as one who regards us through the tinted windows of his car as scum.
Fans can hurl abuse at a player but when they retaliate we start complaining.
Double standards.
Except no one was specifically having a go at Johnson. Let's let go of this theory that he was a target of abuse yesterday because he wasn't. Any anger was aimed at the regime.
Yeah the players were not getting grief. If the game yesterday had been played half way through the season they would have deserved some shit and got it. They can feel flattered by the support they got and if they thought the performance was good enough they can all clear off now.
Well there you go, another shite player stealing a living from the club. Yet another reason why I will be limiting my visits to 'Fortress Valley' this season. Just can't face another 10 months of garbage and probable relegation.
Saw him trapping off to a lone fan at Brentford away last season in the half time subs warm up. Remembered thinking at the time he acted a prick and was clearly spoiling for a row.
Funny how he wasn't so interested when my son fronted him about it when he was getting on the coach post game.
He did say Fox specifically came over to apologise though.
Respect to Fox. Roger Johnson you'll never learn will you.
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
What brought it on? He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
What brought it on? He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
One person took about 10 seconds to return the ball and he good plenty of stick for it.
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
ultras? what are you on about
I went to half a dozen away games last season, and each time I was deeply embarrassed by a section of our support at some point. I wouldn't call them ultras, but I think I roughly know who @c4fcdenmark is referring to.
That said, ValleyGary and co. insist nothing was particularly focussed toward Johnson, so it's still very hard to accept he had any right to say what he said.
What brought it on? He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
What brought it on? He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
Is swearing in public a criminal offence?
Yes.
Then why haven't I got a life sentence? In fact, 95% of the population would be behind bars. Oh and furthermore, if a player could apparently be arrested for swearing in a public place, what about all the fans swearing at him from the stands, isn't that also a public place? Do they get arrested too?
What brought it on? He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
Is swearing in public a criminal offence?
Yes.
Then why haven't I got a life sentence?
You have to swear in the presence of the police to be arrested. And they will do so only if they believe your swearing is causing annoyance to local residents.
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
ultras? what are you on about
I went to half a dozen away games last season, and each time I was deeply embarrassed by a section of our support at some point. I wouldn't call them ultras, but I think I roughly know who @c4fcdenmark is referring to.
That said, ValleyGary and co. insist nothing was particularly focussed toward Johnson, so it's still very hard to accept he had any right to say what he said.
Not been to so many away games the last few seasons, but the last one I was at (Bolton) there were some pretty spectacular morons within our fans giving it out to Pope and Fox. Sounds like it's getting more frequent.
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
ultras? what are you on about
I went to half a dozen away games last season, and each time I was deeply embarrassed by a section of our support at some point. I wouldn't call them ultras, but I think I roughly know who @c4fcdenmark is referring to.
That said, ValleyGary and co. insist nothing was particularly focussed toward Johnson, so it's still very hard to accept he had any right to say what he said.
Not been to so many away games the last few seasons, but the last one I was at (Bolton) there were some pretty spectacular morons within our fans giving it out to Pope and Fox. Sounds like it's getting more frequent.
Fox has received a lot of stick, although most of what I've seen is directed at the stewards, which is particularly shameful. The 'get a proper job' chanting and shouting is pathetic. Squaring up to middle-aged women and shouting 'c**t' right in their faces... I don't get the mindset at all.
I do have some sympathy for Roger Johnson (I'm safe in Denmark, at least). With ten minutes to go with Charlton attacking the Charlton supporters end, a number of the 'ultras' refused, on several occasions, to return the ball when it crossed the goal line, instead choosing to kick it into the stand. At ten minutes to go, Charlton were, at least, in the Bury half for significant periods, fashioning a couple of half chances. As a Charlton player, I would have been pretty pissed off.
ultras? what are you on about
I went to half a dozen away games last season, and each time I was deeply embarrassed by a section of our support at some point. I wouldn't call them ultras, but I think I roughly know who @c4fcdenmark is referring to.
That said, ValleyGary and co. insist nothing was particularly focussed toward Johnson, so it's still very hard to accept he had any right to say what he said.
Not been to so many away games the last few seasons, but the last one I was at (Bolton) there were some pretty spectacular morons within our fans giving it out to Pope and Fox. Sounds like it's getting more frequent.
We really have a proper Millwall-like element now that started a few years back.
I went to Preston away at the end of last season, there were about 300 CAFC fans. No vocal support whatsoever bar 4 complete pikeys off their face constantly screaming abuse at fellow fans, "SING UP YOU C**TS" - though only songs they 'sung' were incest song and 'Preston's a shithole'; our players "FOX YOU'RE A C**T", "YOU'RE F*****G SHIT MAKENIOK - F**K OFF MUG" etc etc, and the Preston keeper "I'M GONNA RAPE YOUR WIFE YOU C**T".
They'd come by free coach and were in my opinion more interested in provoking a reaction from Charlton fans, they knew everyone was trying to ignore them/getting pissed off with them. Really really unpleasant oxygen thieves. There was a middle-aged bloke (one of their dads?) in Stone Island clobber standing with them and scanning the crowd everytime they shouted abuse to see if there was a reaction.
With everything else going on, having vermin like this at games really is the icing on the cake!
What brought it on? He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
This would be covered under Section 5 of the Public Order Act and his actions are unlikely to be an offence under said act. His defence would be that he had no reason to believe there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress. Probably a reasonable assumption to make within the confines of a football stadium where the crowd would have been using similar or worse words in every other chant.
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If you can't make a difference don't turn up,
If you can't make a difference don't turn up,
If you're going to swear at fans,
Going to swear at fans,
If you're going to swear at fans don't turn up.
If you're name is Roger johnson,
Don't turn up,
If your name is Roger johnson don't turn up,
There's more money out in India
More money out in India,
To the fans here you're a wanker please eff off.
However.
He said something along the lines of 'if you don't like it don't come', which does not seem to be a defensive protect yourself reaction. More like a footballer who is 'considerably richer than yeow' regarding fans as plebs that he would rather not have around contaminating his bubble universe that he has structured around himself.
If you don't like it don't come.
Does not come across as quite the instant reaction of a verbally attacked player, but more as one who regards us through the tinted windows of his car as scum.
The poor result?
The poor players?
Him mouthing off?
The regime?
Who knows, probably not Rog.
No win bonus innit.
And he is craaazy
He's got Tourette's
Cunt bitch gravy
He didn't see enough due deference and worship towards him and reacted.
Continual abuse of Roger Johnson will motivate me to attend.
I wonder if his language as a player could actually get him arrested. If he ambled through Bluewater using the language he does surely he would get done, it being a public place and all.
On the pitch at the Valley is a public place, with children usually being closest to the players, surely that wouldn't make him above the law of the land?
That said, ValleyGary and co. insist nothing was particularly focussed toward Johnson, so it's still very hard to accept he had any right to say what he said.
So, maybe you're just not very good at it.
I went to Preston away at the end of last season, there were about 300 CAFC fans. No vocal support whatsoever bar 4 complete pikeys off their face constantly screaming abuse at fellow fans, "SING UP YOU C**TS" - though only songs they 'sung' were incest song and 'Preston's a shithole'; our players "FOX YOU'RE A C**T", "YOU'RE F*****G SHIT MAKENIOK - F**K OFF MUG" etc etc, and the Preston keeper "I'M GONNA RAPE YOUR WIFE YOU C**T".
They'd come by free coach and were in my opinion more interested in provoking a reaction from Charlton fans, they knew everyone was trying to ignore them/getting pissed off with them. Really really unpleasant oxygen thieves. There was a middle-aged bloke (one of their dads?) in Stone Island clobber standing with them and scanning the crowd everytime they shouted abuse to see if there was a reaction.
With everything else going on, having vermin like this at games really is the icing on the cake!