In Stadium Protests
However two things have occurred to me:-
1) That there was no protest songs inside the stadium on Saturday (there was a muted 'ABC you're having a laugh' started buy the 'AIDS' supporter in the North Lower. To me, The Liar will see this as a win for her, she will be able to say "no protests Uncle Roland, look what Ive done". Also because the cameras only film inside the ground then we wont get the publicity that the national press generates.
2) Does, not buying a ST really affect The Rats money? He probably makes more a week than he has lost with fans not renewing their STs, so he can easily cover the losses.
So could it be counter productive not protesting inside the stadium?
Thoughts, fellow lifers.
Comments
-
Sorry, how does #2 work? Of course it affects him. He has a million quid less than he might have. Yes, over all his companies he is profitable, but entrepreneurs (if I can call him that) want to maximise earnings, and he clearly has not through his actions with CAFC.2
-
I think he means in regards to paying for extra security and measures to reduce the protests week in week out0
-
Which he got back by selling Pope who realistically at the end of last season, wasn't expected to leave.Pedro45 said:Sorry, how does #2 work? Of course it affects him. He has a million quid less than he might have. Yes, over all his companies he is profitable, but entrepreneurs (if I can call him that) want to maximise earnings, and he clearly has not through his actions with CAFC.
0 -
If there is one thing i have learned from wealthy people they only become wealthy from being frugal, every penny counts!
He will sell Charlton if he doesn't make any cash, his whole point is to break even, you cant do that with shit sponsors - loosing games - no fans and a massive stadium with no one in it.6 -
If the ground was empty. I.e less than 1000. He would have to act.
This in turn would take away KM mandate at the club and in result would mean the FA need to act.
I can promise you one thing we will not be on Sky for any home matches this season.
This is a nicer earner which KM wont be able to get hold of.
4 -
Pedro45 said:
Sorry, how does #2 work? Of course it affects him. He has a million quid less than he might have. Yes, over all his companies he is profitable, but entrepreneurs (if I can call him that) want to maximise earnings, and he clearly has not through his actions with CAFC.
No what I mean is, yes he is losing money, but he is making it back with his other business, so he can afford to lose the Charlton money and prop it up with other funds, while he tries to make his experiment work.kidbrookeaddick said:I think he means in regards to paying for extra security and measures to reduce the protests week in week out
0 -
No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
1 -
c) away games7
-
I often wonder if there's anything we can do to get them out, protesting wise. SL pushed things further than Charlton fans ever will, people are complaining about a simple picket line ffs, we are limited by the wet weekends within the fan base that don't want to rock any sort of boat.
That really only leaves a boycott as the only way to hurt him, it doesn't matter what his other companies earn, the more CAFC costs him, the less likely he is to continue with this mad experiment. Is he really going to care what some football fans are doing in/outside a ground that he never even attends?
5 -
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.1 -
Sponsored links:
-
It is a catch 22- we must stop moaning about it and start putting our brains together and come up with protest methods without needing to attend.
There is a lot that can be done online for example.
3 -
What makes you think Roly is in any way bothered by in game protests when he doesn't ever go to the games? As far as i can tell, the only time we've seen any action from him (as in, him actually visiting these shores) was when some protesters actually went to Belgium.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.2 -
Hypothetically, if Charlton are being fined for in ground protest then I would say he would care.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What makes you think Roly is in any way bothered by in game protests when he doesn't ever go to the games? As far as i can tell, the only time we've seen any action from him (as in, him actually visiting these shores) was when some protesters actually went to Belgium.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.0 -
I get why you think that, but what have they actually achieved? CARD pretty much threw the kitchen sink at the regime at the end of last season, what did it acheieve? CARD got fantastic coverage in the media, highlighted the absolute morons we are stuck with. RD is still here and there are no signs he's any closer to selling.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.
I don't think the fact that his other companies make money is really relevant, he wants CAFC to break even, there's no way he bought the club for it to be a drain on his resources, the sooner we can show him that's never going to possible, the sooner something has to change. Beach balls thrown hundreds of miles away can be ignored, having to write monthly six figure cheques cannot.
I'd agree with you if I honestly believed our fan base had it in them to 'up' the protests to a level that might make a jot of difference, but we just don't have it.6 -
Good point, but I really dont know his thoughts, lets face it no one really knows what the Rat thinks or can second guess his actions. But not having any in match protest will deffo be seen as a victory by the Liar IMHO, you only have to see what she said about there 'only being 2% of supporters' protesting, she will spin this to her advantage I am sure.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What makes you think Roly is in any way bothered by in game protests when he doesn't ever go to the games? As far as i can tell, the only time we've seen any action from him (as in, him actually visiting these shores) was when some protesters actually went to Belgium.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.0 -
If you can buy a ticket.....Henry Irving said:c) away games
1 -
All fair points, I think your first is answered by yourself, we wont get any publicity by fans staying away.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I get why you think that, but what have they actually achieved? CARD pretty much threw the kitchen sink at the regime at the end of last season, what did it acheieve? CARD got fantastic coverage in the media, highlighted the absolute morons we are stuck with. RD is still here and there are no signs he's any closer to selling.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.
I don't think the fact that his other companies make money is really relevant, he wants CAFC to break even, there's no way he bought the club for it to be a drain on his resources, the sooner we can show him that's never going to possible, the sooner something has to change. Beach balls thrown hundreds of miles away can be ignored, having to write monthly six figure cheques cannot.
I'd agree with you if I honestly believed our fan base had it in them to 'up' the protests to a level that might make a jot of difference, but we just don't have it.
And lets be honest, the reality is that IF we start doing well in this league, its a possibility, then fans will start coming back anyway, that is the reality.
1 -
I have to agree that I'm at the lowest point since CARD began in terms of feeling like we may make a difference.
I attended on Saturday through a freebie kindly donated and I am actively boycotting the matches where it's possible for me to attend (unless there's another ticket going spare).
I will support any protest but there is a bit of my mind wondering if my boycott is a waste of time as they wont be going anywhere in the next 5-10 years.1 -
What does media coverage do to get us what we want though? Look at what happened at SL, look at what he dealt with from their fans.Greenie said:
All fair points, I think your first is answered by yourself, we wont get any publicity by fans staying away.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I get why you think that, but what have they actually achieved? CARD pretty much threw the kitchen sink at the regime at the end of last season, what did it acheieve? CARD got fantastic coverage in the media, highlighted the absolute morons we are stuck with. RD is still here and there are no signs he's any closer to selling.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.
I don't think the fact that his other companies make money is really relevant, he wants CAFC to break even, there's no way he bought the club for it to be a drain on his resources, the sooner we can show him that's never going to possible, the sooner something has to change. Beach balls thrown hundreds of miles away can be ignored, having to write monthly six figure cheques cannot.
I'd agree with you if I honestly believed our fan base had it in them to 'up' the protests to a level that might make a jot of difference, but we just don't have it.
And lets be honest, the reality is that IF we start doing well in this league, its a possibility, then fans will start coming back anyway, that is the reality.
We had people wetting the bed over KM's parents being given a piece of paper ffs!
If we start doing well, some fans will return, for sure, they, I imagine are the sort of people who are not attending because we are in League One, rather than boycotting.2 -
The question which no one is asking is 'If we do not get promotion this season what is the plan for next season'.Leeds_Addick said:I have to agree that I'm at the lowest point since CARD began in terms of feeling like we may make a difference.
I attended on Saturday through a freebie kindly donated and I am actively boycotting the matches where it's possible for me to attend (unless there's another ticket going spare).
I will support any protest but there is a bit of my mind wondering if my boycott is a waste of time as they wont be going anywhere in the next 5-10 years.
There is no way we can sustain our budget on even lower crowds. There is barely anyone of monetary value left to sell from our playing staff.
IMO Roland is on his last roll of the dice this season. It is promotion or bust.1 -
Sponsored links:
-
As I've said before we do not have a single knock out punch that will make him suddenly think "That's it. I'm selling".
We have to wear him and her down, bit by bit.
Every protests, every PR disaster, every FA investigation and fine for pitch invasions and game stoppages, every lost ST or shirt sale, every absent sponsorship deal, every press article like the one in the Sun today knocks their confidence and their delusion that their mad scheme is working.
It won't happen over night, it might not happen this season or the next.
We just have to keep chipping away.38 -
I agree. Definitely on the last paragraph.SouthWest_Addicks said:
The question which no one is asking is 'If we do not get promotion this season what is the plan for next season'.Leeds_Addick said:I have to agree that I'm at the lowest point since CARD began in terms of feeling like we may make a difference.
I attended on Saturday through a freebie kindly donated and I am actively boycotting the matches where it's possible for me to attend (unless there's another ticket going spare).
I will support any protest but there is a bit of my mind wondering if my boycott is a waste of time as they wont be going anywhere in the next 5-10 years.
There is no way we can sustain our budget on even lower crowds. There is barely anyone of monetary value left to sell from our playing staff.
IMO Roland is on his last roll of the dice this season. It is promotion or bust.
The worry for me though is what if we do achieve it? It will be a great time this season but what next? Back to him trying the break even model all over again?
I'm not saying that I don't want us to be promoted. Of course I do, I'll always want us to win. But the idea of next season if we do is a worry.2 -
Stu_of_Kunming said:
What does media coverage do to get us what we want though? Look at what happened at SL, look at what he dealt with from their fans.Greenie said:
All fair points, I think your first is answered by yourself, we wont get any publicity by fans staying away.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I get why you think that, but what have they actually achieved? CARD pretty much threw the kitchen sink at the regime at the end of last season, what did it acheieve? CARD got fantastic coverage in the media, highlighted the absolute morons we are stuck with. RD is still here and there are no signs he's any closer to selling.Greenie said:
Let it go, you no why you get told that. Move on, I have.kentred2 said:No protests because the majority of protestors were boycotting / not giving money or creedence to them by attending.
Two options to cover your concerns (though I expect your response will be for me to "do one"):
a) empty stadium, or
b) protest / game disruption.
Anyway, I think in Stadium protest/game disruption work better than boycotting, but understand why people want that option.
I don't think the fact that his other companies make money is really relevant, he wants CAFC to break even, there's no way he bought the club for it to be a drain on his resources, the sooner we can show him that's never going to possible, the sooner something has to change. Beach balls thrown hundreds of miles away can be ignored, having to write monthly six figure cheques cannot.
I'd agree with you if I honestly believed our fan base had it in them to 'up' the protests to a level that might make a jot of difference, but we just don't have it.
And lets be honest, the reality is that IF we start doing well in this league, its a possibility, then fans will start coming back anyway, that is the reality.
We had people wetting the bed over KM's parents being given a piece of paper ffs!
If we start doing well, some fans will return, for sure, they, I imagine are the sort of people who are not attending because we are in League One, rather than boycotting.
So we then need a way of getting point deducted.........?SouthWest_Addicks said:
The question which no one is asking is 'If we do not get promotion this season what is the plan for next season'.Leeds_Addick said:I have to agree that I'm at the lowest point since CARD began in terms of feeling like we may make a difference.
I attended on Saturday through a freebie kindly donated and I am actively boycotting the matches where it's possible for me to attend (unless there's another ticket going spare).
I will support any protest but there is a bit of my mind wondering if my boycott is a waste of time as they wont be going anywhere in the next 5-10 years.
There is no way we can sustain our budget on even lower crowds. There is barely anyone of monetary value left to sell from our playing staff.
IMO Roland is on his last roll of the dice this season. It is promotion or bust.1 -
Very good point. Reading the pro-Duchatalet semi-official SE7 Valiant page it is very clear that the club is seeing the muted opposition v Northampton as a victory and taking the inactivity as an indication they have perhaps seen off the worst.
I hope this is not the case but the fact that two or three thousand hardcore fans seem to have decided to boycott this season will mean the protects have fewer supporting them and inside the ground will be lower-key, which in turn will perhaps discourage some on the periphery from joining in.
I am not sure what the answer is, but is boycotting (as opposed to not renewing a ST but still turning up on the day) the right approach? Duchatalet has deep pockets and while an inconvenience, I don't think the money will make much difference to him.0 -
Not unless we've got £38mHenry Irving said:As I've said before we do not have a single knock out punch that will make him suddenly think "That's it. I'm selling".
0 -
wonder if CARD saying no 'in game protests' meant fans took this literally and thought it meant anti regime songs too? Can't see that 'we wAnt Roland out' and ' stand up if you want them out' would have affected the team.2
-
I agree Large, also when the biggest BOOOO was aimed at our lairey centre back, that takes the flak away from The Rat and The Liar.LargeAddick said:wonder if CARD saying no 'in game protests' meant fans took this literally and thought it meant anti regime songs too? Can't see that 'we wAnt Roland out' and ' stand up if you want them out' would have affected the team.
1 -
What we cannot do is let up on the pressure on Meire as she is the one conduit to Duchatalet we can affect, and it was clear last season it was getting to her.2
-
Time for a boycott I reckon. Long overdue.0
-
A boycott would work if everybody did it. Which they won't.alan dugdale said:Time for a boycott I reckon. Long overdue.
We haven't renewed and were not going to go but then I thought why should she spoil our lives.
So, we are going to pick and choose games, blag freebies if we can, not buy anything unless we have to pay for tickets.
To sum up. We are going to do anything we can to get them out.2
