Is this not an over reaction? Has he displaced fox with any of the managers we have had no. Left backs that hold there own are comparatively cheap to come buy. We sold Harriet got mcgenis If and its a big if we sell THD and bring in a midfielder I'll be relatively happy
Yet Slade has publicly stated on several occasions that we already need five players without any departures.
Someone posted that THD was unhappy at the club last season.
I remember reading an interview he gave as he was signing on loan for Oldham; he sounded really disaffected and made it very clear he was relieved to get away.
No surprise to me that he's seizing his chance to escape the circus. His mates Harriott and Cousins were just as desperate to leave.
Something is still rotten in the state of Denmark.
Tex is a good basic defender at championship level but if he was your best defensive option you'd probably be toward the bottom rather than at the top. He should be good for 4 years but it's a big commitment.
If she can't ship them out on loan or give them away, she will no doubt reach a settlement to cancel their contracts at huge and pointless expense to the club, just like the others. God knows how much money they have wasted on aborted contracts by now.
Tex is a good basic defender at championship level but if he was your best defensive option you'd probably be toward the bottom rather than at the top. He should be good for 4 years but it's a big commitment.
If she can't ship them out on loan or give them away, she will no doubt reach a settlement to cancel their contracts at huge and pointless expense to the club, just like the others. God knows how much money they have wasted on aborted contracts by now.
Think that's the most likely option! Tex will see that no one wants him due to contract length and probably the clubs high asking price- Gets stubborn and tells Slade and kalamity Kat that he refuses to play for charlton again, so knowing Roland's headcount headache and the enlarged hole in the clubs wallet they'll pay him off. Tex will have seen that the club are easily pushed into that sort of action with bergdich et all , and KM will try and spin it saying "We had to pay tex off , because we can't start our new era with disruption to our club and our British squad"
Week down the line, Slade will say to the media that "we've had to be patient to sort out the tiexera situations... Did you see how patient we were , did you see that?"
Tex is a good basic defender at championship level but if he was your best defensive option you'd probably be toward the bottom rather than at the top. He should be good for 4 years but it's a big commitment.
If she can't ship them out on loan or give them away, she will no doubt reach a settlement to cancel their contracts at huge and pointless expense to the club, just like the others. God knows how much money they have wasted on aborted contracts by now.
Exactly, that's what I was thinking of in my post on page 4. Makes me sad & angry all the waste of money, caused undoubtedly by lack of competence.
Is this not an over reaction? Has he displaced fox with any of the managers we have had no. Left backs that hold there own are comparatively cheap to come buy. We sold Harriet got mcgenis If and its a big if we sell THD and bring in a midfielder I'll be relatively happy
In player quality terms, yes. Roberto Carlos, he probably ain't.
But the bigger picture is that it's yet another young prospect out the door - probably for peanuts - weakening the squad while the proceeds are likely never seen again.
The recurring theme is that our club is a basket case.
Is this not an over reaction? Has he displaced fox with any of the managers we have had no. Left backs that hold there own are comparatively cheap to come buy. We sold Harriet got mcgenis If and its a big if we sell THD and bring in a midfielder I'll be relatively happy
In player quality terms, yes. Roberto Carlos, he probably ain't.
But the bigger picture is that it's yet another young prospect out the door - probably for peanuts - weakening the squad while the proceeds are probably never seen again.
The recurring theme is that our club is a basket case.
This!
Through either ability or squad 'thinness' , he has been on the bench every game this season... It's just creating another hole
There's a difference between apologism and critical detachment (from the squad-building process; there's still partisan support on matchdays) - Meire is clearly no Daniel Levy and she's fobbed off the fans in several extremely cack-handed ways but we shouldn't greet every outgoing with a chorus of loathing and despair.
So at what point, for you, does the multitude of mistakes with the incomings and outgoings add up to cumulative incompetence? Some of us passed that point a long time ago.
Richard Cawley is today reporting the agents of Tex & Ba have been hawking the players around the leagues, so far without success. Tex has a contract until 2020 I believe! Seems to me we cant move Tex on because he's on to big a contract.
It all adds extra pressure on the regime to generate more funds.
Good, I hope this mob lose as much money as possible.
At one time I couldn't give a monkeys if the Douchbag was happy to let his 'adopted daughter' flush his money, albeit pocket change, down the pan. Trouble is it's just increasing the debt mountain. So if and or when he decides to call it a day it is going to be a game of poker as to how much he can recover in the sale price. No end in sight yet awhile I'm afraid so the protests have to go on and up a gear.
Get a grip, that revolving door cash n carry doesnt work except on a laptop manager game.
Selling a youth prospect before he has bedded in, been given a decent chance to show/reach his potential goes much deeper than that.
Doesnt matter if we sign Pele, there is no reason for THD not to be in the squad in league 1. Ffs give him a crack at LM (prob wont gel with fox though, morgan can defend but cant pass a football with his right foot)
The point is its a player on a couple of grand a week leaving a squad which is threadbare, with young uns that havent made an appeareance. So sell a player that can cover 2 positions and has made 20 odd appearances over 2 plus seasons.
The point is its bullshit freakomomics made on a meliexes computer chip. Its not football club management.
See fox get injured weve sold THD and then see who we get in.
Merie's personal vanity bill of bodyguards and personal promotion appearances costs more than THD for a season. Texiera wasting 3 months and leaving on 31.08 costs more than THD for a season.
Geta grip and smell the coffee...roland and katy are skank of the highest out.
Dr Kish reporting that THD has travelled north for a medical and is expected to sign a three year contract tomorrow - i.e. the deal is as good as done.
We don't know - and will probably never know- what the fee is (it will, as ever, be 'undisclosed') but, on any view, this is extremely disappointing. THD and Gomez were the stand out players in the youth team a couple of years ago and now they have both gone. I think that Tareiq has real potential and he would, at the very least, have provided important cover in both the left back and left midfield positions. I was also very impressed that he and Jordan Cousins spent four or five weeks with an athletics coach during the close season to improve their level of fitness and athleticism. That sort of commitment is highly commendable in a young professional.
This latest sale is entirely commensurate with the regime's total lack of football ambition and Duchatelet's obsession with maintaining a skeletal squad. In his ultra short term thinking, the thought of having a player on the payroll who isn't playing every week is a total anathema. It is very depressing and does not bode well in relation to Lookman and Konsa, not to mention our prospects of ever building a stable and successful team.
This x1000.
THD is a player I first saw in a youth team game at The Valley about 4/5 years ago and he stood out more than any other youth player I have seen apart from Solly at the time (not that I go to that many youth games). When he has played for the first team he clearly has flair in abundance, plenty of skill and is fearless in the tackle. A player you could enjoy watching. He lacks certain defensive nous at professional levels but this just adds to the weirdness of a decision to sell... ie he is not the finished product so we will get relative peanuts for him.
What I find utterly bewildering in this thread are the people saying he is not a major loss etc. For 10 years + we have sold our best young players and best experienced players. Each time we do, people come on here telling me/us it is not so bad yet we have fallen through 2 leagues, play shitty football and have a squad too weak to compete. For me he has far more potential than Fox but that is not really the point. With no loan window we need 2 left backs and neither Solly or Lennon are LB's so selling THD means we need to bring in cover ourselves so what is the point of the sale?
To me this makes him a pretty integral squad player and even more so given he is going to a team at the top of the division above us. to me that makes him a pretty major player.
Tex is a good basic defender at championship level but if he was your best defensive option you'd probably be toward the bottom rather than at the top. He should be good for 4 years but it's a big commitment.
If she can't ship them out on loan or give them away, she will no doubt reach a settlement to cancel their contracts at huge and pointless expense to the club, just like the others. God knows how much money they have wasted on aborted contracts by now.
Think that's the most likely option! Tex will see that no one wants him due to contract length and probably the clubs high asking price- Gets stubborn and tells Slade and kalamity Kat that he refuses to play for charlton again, so knowing Roland's headcount headache and the enlarged hole in the clubs wallet they'll pay him off. Tex will have seen that the club are easily pushed into that sort of action with bergdich et all , and KM will try and spin it saying "We had to pay tex off , because we can't start our new era with disruption to our club and our British squad"
Week down the line, Slade will say to the media that "we've had to be patient to sort out the tiexera situations... Did you see how patient we were , did you see that?"
So it feels like we've devolved into arguing two points, one that we sell our good/promising players too easily, and the other that the club is a failure because they can't offload players (and in this case our two best CBs).
Going on the second point first, hopefully with Tex, unlike with just about anyone else, they've either demanded a transfer and a fee, or will not condone a loan where we contribute to wages. When done well, this is why you sign players on big contracts, so that you dictate the terms of when they leave. In the cases of Bauer and Tex I believe superficially we've done well. If Tex goes on strike, he'll be fined and hopefully it will be however many weeks he refuses to pay. Also, going on strike usually forfeits things like loyalty bonuses and various other clauses. This is not to say we have a successful or even coherent transfer policy, it's just to say "this may be an example of it working."
As for THD, I'm not as keen on hi as some. I think he looks promising but very raw. I think it likely that Slade will always prefer Fox and Solly, as both are better at defending than going forward. That said, I don't think we should be selling him. But that said, he needs to be playing. And when he was tried in pre-season he seemed to make some defensive errors, and since then, even in the League Cup, he's barely gotten a look in. I suspect he's the one driving this move moreso than the club. I'd guess he's fed up with something, possibly the goings on within the club, possibly being second choice, likely both.
That said, this feels a weird move as it seems unlikely he'll be first choice at Huddersfield. From his perspective I guess he'll be making more money, but would be in a similar quagmire playing-wise (albeit in a higher division).
Letting THD go would be an absolutely huge mistake. He should IMO be starting at LB ahead of Fox (and I'm not a Fox hater), but he can cover about 5 positions. He can play LB and LM as well as CM and can cover if necessary, RB and RM (although not that well). He's young too and it's just disgraceful what the pricks in charge are doing to our club.
Is this not an over reaction? Has he displaced fox with any of the managers we have had no. Left backs that hold there own are comparatively cheap to come buy. We sold Harriet got mcgenis If and its a big if we sell THD and bring in a midfielder I'll be relatively happy
On the face of it he's another squad player, but he's also very promising and provides quite a few options as he's versatile. Not to mention we have no depth at all on the left.
It's bad news however you look at it: a weaker squad, another replacement that needs to be introduced, another academy prospect being flogged at a cheap price (and it will be, understandably, due to his lack of game time) without really giving the club any service on the pitch and another homegrown player keen to escape.
All this stuff about him potentially being unhappy is rubbish. He's been in every squad to date and is an injury away from the first team-I don't care if that makes him unhappy and neither should the board and management! Having unhappy players is part and parcel of having a squad and part of Russel Slade's remit is to make sure that those with the hump are managed correctly and kept in the right frame of mind for when their opportunity arises. Unfortunately, as they have continually stated, our beloved Katy and him in Belguim don't do squads and are kind enough to let unhappy players spread their wings elsewhere rather than warm our bench with tears in their eyes. Very sensible.
I want to endorse the words of Athletico Charlton.
5 years ago, i was told by one of the dad's of an academy player that Gomez was the best prospect in the Academy by far. Holmes-Dennis and Lennon were also stand outs. The Guy wasn't the Father of any of the above but watched every home game and most of the away.
He felt that THD would become the full back or wing back who negated the used of having a left winger. Not surprised that the German Manager at Huddersfield would want that type of player at his club.
I guess Lennon will be left on the bench so he becomes pissed off as well.
With young Bone leaving the Academy set up, the shambles continues.
Is this not an over reaction? Has he displaced fox with any of the managers we have had no. Left backs that hold there own are comparatively cheap to come buy. We sold Harriet got mcgenis If and its a big if we sell THD and bring in a midfielder I'll be relatively happy
He's not displaced Fox because he's 20. He's important because we need a squad. How many times have we seen this exact situation under the current ownership? We have one player capable of playing in a position so that player cannot get injured or tired or even rested. If that player does get injured then he has to be replaced by someone, probably a kid, playing out of position. That's bad for results, bad for the team and bad for the kid who gets his confidence knocked. We're constantly plugging holes with plugs that were stopping other leaks. If we sell THD to get in a midfielder then we'll still need a reserve left back. Lennon is not a left back. I'd also challenge that decent cheap left backs are easy to come by. Remember Danny Seaborne? Gary Borrowdale? Matt Fry? They were what we could bring in for cheap in the past and they were...not our best signings.
There's always the chance that we'll sell THD savagely over market price and replace him with a cheaper, better left back AND buy a great central midfielder but given this ownership's history I'm not holding my breath. The worst thing is it's yet another kid who came through the academy and is heading on to another team without a fight from the club and having barely turned out for the team. It's depressing
Tex is a good basic defender at championship level but if he was your best defensive option you'd probably be toward the bottom rather than at the top. He should be good for 4 years but it's a big commitment.
If she can't ship them out on loan or give them away, she will no doubt reach a settlement to cancel their contracts at huge and pointless expense to the club, just like the others. God knows how much money they have wasted on aborted contracts by now.
This is the crux of it for me. Roland has to put is hand in his pocket to make up for her mistakes. That then impacts Slade as he gets told X has to be sold and there's unlikely to be any funds for replacements.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall during an RD/KM chat when she's explaining herself. Is it just that as long as she doesn't burn the stadium down, she has a job?
Fox is 22 if THD was a serious threat it's not like fox is vastly experience I'm sure he would have had more game time especially as its been a while since fox was top of he's game and could have done with a break at various times over last season
Edwards is 19 maybe they feel he is more than capable of being an infill if needed.
I'm not saying its right but the fact might be they can pick up some money to push a deal for a player that will impact on the 1st team a bit more.
It's too blinkered at the moment the vast majority of club decisions over the last few years have been epic fails that doesn't mean every decision is.
All this stuff about him potentially being unhappy is rubbish. He's been in every squad to date and is an injury away from the first team-I don't care if that makes him unhappy and neither should the board and management! Having unhappy players is part and parcel of having a squad and part of Russel Slade's remit is to make sure that those with the hump are managed correctly and kept in the right frame of mind for when their opportunity arises. Unfortunately, as they have continually stated, our beloved Katy and that cunt in Belguim don't do squads and are kind enough to let unhappy players spread their wings elsewhere rather than warm our bench with tears in their eyes. Very sensible.
It's not as if Real Madrid are chasing him......
Huddersfield are the Real Madrid of, er, Huddersfield.
I want to endorse the words of Athletico Charlton.
5 years ago, i was told by one of the dad's of an academy player that Gomez was the best prospect in the Academy by far. Holmes-Dennis and Lennon were also stand outs. The Guy wasn't the Father of any of the above but watched every home game and most of the away.
He felt that THD would become the full back or wing back who negated the used of having a left winger. Not surprised that the German Manager at Huddersfield would want that type of player at his club. I guess Lennon will be left on the bench so he becomes pissed off as well.
With young Bone leaving the Academy set up, the shambles continues.
Lennon will be left on the bench if Russell Slade thinks he's not good enough to start, do you propose we start playing players who are not good enough to play just to keep them happy?
Bit disappointed in this, I've always seen loads of potential whenever I have seen THD play but then as other's has pointed out he has been kept out the side by Fox by every manager possible apart from Carol which probably speaks volumes. There must be something which the trained eye sees which we don't. Wish him best of luck and I just hope we have a sell on clause in case a lot of us end up being proved right. That said I'm very happy with Fox playing left back, and up to now he's been pretty injury free since his spell in first team and has proven to be very fit so should be okay for the long season. Haven't seen Edwards play since he was 14/15 so don't know if he will be good enough cover.
Roland is incredibly rich. We don't have to sell our developing youth left back to fund other signings. We just do it anyway due to a combination of what must be a ludicrously low budget, offering big long contracts to crap players and spending ridiculous amounts on cancelling the contracts of players we can't ship out on loan, because our club is completely insane. THD played 12 times while we were in the second division last season; that's pretty good going for a 20 year old. That's development. Fox has played more than 80 games, he's now an experienced Football League player.
If THD is no threat to Fox then why is he moving up a division to Huddersfield? For once we've actually utilised an inexperienced youth player sensibly; playing him occasionally, pulling him out of the firing line when his confidence drops, and he's the one we sell off.
Don't worry everyone, when it gets to the stage in about November, that we really need a left back, Katy will unveil Kenny Sansom to us, he's unattached and has over 80 English caps.
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I remember reading an interview he gave as he was signing on loan for Oldham;
he sounded really disaffected and made it very clear he was relieved to get away.
No surprise to me that he's seizing his chance to escape the circus.
His mates Harriott and Cousins were just as desperate to leave.
Something is still rotten in the state of Denmark.
Tex will see that no one wants him due to contract length and probably the clubs high asking price-
Gets stubborn and tells Slade and kalamity Kat that he refuses to play for charlton again, so knowing Roland's headcount headache and the enlarged hole in the clubs wallet they'll pay him off.
Tex will have seen that the club are easily pushed into that sort of action with bergdich et all , and KM will try and spin it saying
"We had to pay tex off , because we can't start our new era with disruption to our club and our British squad"
Week down the line, Slade will say to the media that "we've had to be patient to sort out the tiexera situations... Did you see how patient we were , did you see that?"
But the bigger picture is that it's yet another young prospect out the door - probably for peanuts - weakening the squad while the proceeds are likely never seen again.
The recurring theme is that our club is a basket case.
Through either ability or squad 'thinness' , he has been on the bench every game this season... It's just creating another hole
Get a grip, that revolving door cash n carry doesnt work except on a laptop manager game.
Selling a youth prospect before he has bedded in, been given a decent chance to show/reach his potential goes much deeper than that.
Doesnt matter if we sign Pele, there is no reason for THD not to be in the squad in league 1. Ffs give him a crack at LM (prob wont gel with fox though, morgan can defend but cant pass a football with his right foot)
The point is its a player on a couple of grand a week leaving a squad which is threadbare, with young uns that havent made an appeareance. So sell a player that can cover 2 positions and has made 20 odd appearances over 2 plus seasons.
The point is its bullshit freakomomics made on a meliexes computer chip. Its not football club management.
See fox get injured weve sold THD and then see who we get in.
Merie's personal vanity bill of bodyguards and personal promotion appearances costs more than THD for a season. Texiera wasting 3 months and leaving on 31.08 costs more than THD for a season.
Geta grip and smell the coffee...roland and katy are skank of the highest out.
Get out of our club
THD is a player I first saw in a youth team game at The Valley about 4/5 years ago and he stood out more than any other youth player I have seen apart from Solly at the time (not that I go to that many youth games). When he has played for the first team he clearly has flair in abundance, plenty of skill and is fearless in the tackle. A player you could enjoy watching. He lacks certain defensive nous at professional levels but this just adds to the weirdness of a decision to sell... ie he is not the finished product so we will get relative peanuts for him.
What I find utterly bewildering in this thread are the people saying he is not a major loss etc. For 10 years + we have sold our best young players and best experienced players. Each time we do, people come on here telling me/us it is not so bad yet we have fallen through 2 leagues, play shitty football and have a squad too weak to compete. For me he has far more potential than Fox but that is not really the point. With no loan window we need 2 left backs and neither Solly or Lennon are LB's so selling THD means we need to bring in cover ourselves so what is the point of the sale?
To me this makes him a pretty integral squad player and even more so given he is going to a team at the top of the division above us. to me that makes him a pretty major player.
Going on the second point first, hopefully with Tex, unlike with just about anyone else, they've either demanded a transfer and a fee, or will not condone a loan where we contribute to wages. When done well, this is why you sign players on big contracts, so that you dictate the terms of when they leave. In the cases of Bauer and Tex I believe superficially we've done well. If Tex goes on strike, he'll be fined and hopefully it will be however many weeks he refuses to pay. Also, going on strike usually forfeits things like loyalty bonuses and various other clauses. This is not to say we have a successful or even coherent transfer policy, it's just to say "this may be an example of it working."
As for THD, I'm not as keen on hi as some. I think he looks promising but very raw. I think it likely that Slade will always prefer Fox and Solly, as both are better at defending than going forward. That said, I don't think we should be selling him. But that said, he needs to be playing. And when he was tried in pre-season he seemed to make some defensive errors, and since then, even in the League Cup, he's barely gotten a look in. I suspect he's the one driving this move moreso than the club. I'd guess he's fed up with something, possibly the goings on within the club, possibly being second choice, likely both.
That said, this feels a weird move as it seems unlikely he'll be first choice at Huddersfield. From his perspective I guess he'll be making more money, but would be in a similar quagmire playing-wise (albeit in a higher division).
It's bad news however you look at it: a weaker squad, another replacement that needs to be introduced, another academy prospect being flogged at a cheap price (and it will be, understandably, due to his lack of game time) without really giving the club any service on the pitch and another homegrown player keen to escape.
I can't see him playing regularly for Huddersfield, but he'll get more money there presumably
It's not as if Real Madrid are chasing him......
5 years ago, i was told by one of the dad's of an academy player that
Gomez was the best prospect in the Academy by far.
Holmes-Dennis and Lennon were also stand outs.
The Guy wasn't the Father of any of the above but watched every home game and most of the away.
He felt that THD would become the full back or wing back who negated the used of having a left winger. Not surprised that the German Manager at Huddersfield would want that type of player at his club.
I guess Lennon will be left on the bench so he becomes pissed off as well.
With young Bone leaving the Academy set up, the shambles continues.
There's always the chance that we'll sell THD savagely over market price and replace him with a cheaper, better left back AND buy a great central midfielder but given this ownership's history I'm not holding my breath. The worst thing is it's yet another kid who came through the academy and is heading on to another team without a fight from the club and having barely turned out for the team. It's depressing
I'd love to be a fly on the wall during an RD/KM chat when she's explaining herself. Is it just that as long as she doesn't burn the stadium down, she has a job?
It's a strange relationship
Edwards is 19 maybe they feel he is more than capable of being an infill if needed.
I'm not saying its right but the fact might be they can pick up some money to push a deal for a player that will impact on the 1st team a bit more.
It's too blinkered at the moment the vast majority of club decisions over the last few years have been epic fails that doesn't mean every decision is.
If THD is no threat to Fox then why is he moving up a division to Huddersfield? For once we've actually utilised an inexperienced youth player sensibly; playing him occasionally, pulling him out of the firing line when his confidence drops, and he's the one we sell off.