I hate the whole: The England Manager needs to be experienced, we cant give it to someone inexperienced
When why the hell not... We've had experienced manager after experienced manager who has tried to take charge and has utterly failed. Its no different to trying to build a wall a certain way seeing it instantly collapse, then constantly re-building the wall the EXACT same way with the EXACT same results hoping one day you'll be proven right... Eventually a new approach has to be tried!!
Name names though. Like, ideally they should have managed or coached before. Someone like Paul Clement who has been an assistant coach at various successful clubs would be a great shout. But let's be honest, we've scraped through the bottom of the barrel and we're craping the ground beneath it now. There one bright, young, insightful English manager going at the moment in Eddie Howe. It's not so much that I don't think he should get it because he's inexperienced, it's more because I'm not convinced his style is suited to international football.
The only other person who springs to mind is Gary Monk, who I think incredibly highly of, and who I think did quite well with Swansea. But beyond that, in terms of viable candidates, Englishmen who have coached or managed, who are you left with?
And before we get into the whole "Englishmen don't get a chance," if they want a chance they can move abroad and hone their skills and god forbid learn a new language and a new approach to football. But none of the former Premier players ever will because 1) foreign teams don't pay as much and 2) I'm not convinced that many, if any of them have any interest in learning anything.
Have a special one off episode of Great British bake off between Les Reid and Karel Frye. Who ever bakes the best Victoria Sponge gets the job. That old Doris can be the judge.
I hate the whole: The England Manager needs to be experienced, we cant give it to someone inexperienced
When why the hell not... We've had experienced manager after experienced manager who has tried to take charge and has utterly failed. Its no different to trying to build a wall a certain way seeing it instantly collapse, then constantly re-building the wall the EXACT same way with the EXACT same results hoping one day you'll be proven right... Eventually a new approach has to be tried!!
Name names though. Like, ideally they should have managed or coached before. Someone like Paul Clement who has been an assistant coach at various successful clubs would be a great shout. But let's be honest, we've scraped through the bottom of the barrel and we're craping the ground beneath it now. There one bright, young, insightful English manager going at the moment in Eddie Howe. It's not so much that I don't think he should get it because he's inexperienced, it's more because I'm not convinced his style is suited to international football.
The only other person who springs to mind is Gary Monk, who I think incredibly highly of, and who I think did quite well with Swansea. But beyond that, in terms of viable candidates, Englishmen who have coached or managed, who are you left with?
And before we get into the whole "Englishmen don't get a chance," if they want a chance they can move abroad and hone their skills and god forbid learn a new language and a new approach to football. But none of the former Premier players ever will because 1) foreign teams don't pay as much and 2) I'm not convinced that many, if any of them have any interest in learning anything.
For me it would be Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche as the next England Manager... Said it before but I think someone who is used to having to pick players up after disappointment (Its all the England players are used to) would be ideal.
Garry Monk am not too sure, he's having to rebuild his reputation a bit after the knee jerk sacking @ Swansea and whilst I too am a fan of Paul Clement (Dont understand why Derby got rid) he turned down the chance to be part of the England setup over the Summer as Sam Allardyce wanted him to work part-time with England as well as with Bayern.
Agreed though I think too many of them have little interest in ever learning anything
I see it being offered to Southgate after he ends up getting 4 wins playing some nice exciting football then upon getting a 3 year contract he goes back to the England we know and love to hate. Even if Southgate doesn't get appointed all the other names mentioned really aren't going to excite or change the regime enough. I would if I had to choose pick Howe assisted by a Hoddle though doubt very much that would happen. For me we should look at a Ranieri if he is willing to leave Leicester at the end of the season. But I won't be that affected by the dis-appointment as long as it is not the two swear words that is Alan Pardew
How many potential england managers are going to be stitched up by the Telegraph. Maybe having a bet could be risky at this stage!
If the managers stop giving it the Johnny big balls to all and sundry the likes of the Telegraph would either have to invent stories, (which they could be held accountable for), or go back to reporting the important stuff. Certain managers and players really do make it easy for papers and media in general
You are all missing the grand scheme here. Despite withdrawing from the election of a League One representative to the EFL board, Katrien Meire is on the FA council (I think that's what it is called) because she was elected without a ballot to one of the six places available for the league. I believe the Fleetwood guy is also there, and four places are vacant. Katriens plan is to get on to the international committee straight away, and then use her magic powers to get Thomas Driesen the gig as the next England Manager. Her main pitch will be that recent managers have has boring hair, whereas Thomas will be easily recognisable when the cameras scan the touchline.
We'll win the next 3 qualifiers cause we're in an easy group & Southgate will get the job full time. Personally, I'd wait till the end of the season & give it to Wenger but that won't happen
@ForeverAddickted If I remember correctly, and that's a big if, I think it's that Bayern wouldn't let Clement join the England set-up, not that he didn't want to join.
@ForeverAddickted If I remember correctly, and that's a big if, I think it's that Bayern wouldn't let Clement join the England set-up, not that he didn't want to join.
Think it was a bit of both actually... Dont think Clement was keen but didnt matter as Bayern wouldnt let him
If they play their cards right, then Wenger would be achievable for the FA. At 67 he knows that time is running out for him, and the chance to manage a major nation (If we can still call ourselves that) at a World Cup, would be very hard to turn down.
If you look at his contemporaries in management (Ferguson, Cappelo, Conte, Hiddink etc), they have all managed at a major tournament, and you can't help wondering if that wouldn't irk him just a little?
It's hard to see him signing another deal at Arsenal, and you can pretty much rule out him managing another PL club. There could be an agreement with the FA that Southgate (or Howe) works as his assistant, and will take over after EURO 18.
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The only other person who springs to mind is Gary Monk, who I think incredibly highly of, and who I think did quite well with Swansea. But beyond that, in terms of viable candidates, Englishmen who have coached or managed, who are you left with?
And before we get into the whole "Englishmen don't get a chance," if they want a chance they can move abroad and hone their skills and god forbid learn a new language and a new approach to football. But none of the former Premier players ever will because 1) foreign teams don't pay as much and 2) I'm not convinced that many, if any of them have any interest in learning anything.
Who ever bakes the best Victoria Sponge gets the job.
That old Doris can be the judge.
Garry Monk am not too sure, he's having to rebuild his reputation a bit after the knee jerk sacking @ Swansea and whilst I too am a fan of Paul Clement (Dont understand why Derby got rid) he turned down the chance to be part of the England setup over the Summer as Sam Allardyce wanted him to work part-time with England as well as with Bayern.
Agreed though I think too many of them have little interest in ever learning anything
Certain managers and players really do make it easy for papers and media in general
Despite withdrawing from the election of a League One representative to the EFL board, Katrien Meire is on the FA council (I think that's what it is called) because she was elected without a ballot to one of the six places available for the league. I believe the Fleetwood guy is also there, and four places are vacant.
Katriens plan is to get on to the international committee straight away, and then use her magic powers to get Thomas Driesen the gig as the next England Manager. Her main pitch will be that recent managers have has boring hair, whereas Thomas will be easily recognisable when the cameras scan the touchline.
No. Me neither!
Oh fucking joy!
4 games for Southgate will take us to there and see whether we can take the Arsene out of Arsenal.
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Dunno why just can't see it
If you look at his contemporaries in management (Ferguson, Cappelo, Conte, Hiddink etc), they have all managed at a major tournament, and you can't help wondering if that wouldn't irk him just a little?
It's hard to see him signing another deal at Arsenal, and you can pretty much rule out him managing another PL club. There could be an agreement with the FA that Southgate (or Howe) works as his assistant, and will take over after EURO 18.