Won't bring the shop back in house as would mean increasing the permanent staff head count by five but will hire consultant after consultant at much higher rates as don't know what they are doing and crucially consultants aren't part of the head count.
RD is obsessed with head count.
I've never got this mindset, is there any real advantage to lowering headcount - it just seems an utterly stupid metric?
The current client company I'm at has entire teams of contractors, purely because the holding company are reluctant (i.e refusing.) to give permission to increase headcount.
I've played about with an employee cost calculator, and for my industry at least, a very average contractor/consultant may cost the equivalent of a top-end PAYE employee. For a team full of top-notch contractors, you could easily have a larger team of actual employees.
Club still working with Pitch even though we have poached one of their staff? Maybe we had to pay a transfer fee or he's not very good and they were happy for him to leave.
@LargeAddick - more likely Pitch will see it as 'strengthening their client relationship' and be happy to have one of their own in a company that's happy to spunk money away on external consultants such as themselves... It's when he is told to fire them that it all becomes a bit messy....
Instead of spending extortionate amounts of money for PR consultants maybe they should hire an experienced competent CEO who knows football. That would solve one of the major problems immediately and probably negate the need for the consultants.
Club still working with Pitch even though we have poached one of their staff? Maybe we had to pay a transfer fee or he's not very good and they were happy for him to leave.
anyone got a link to this video?
Just wait 'til we loan him to another company and subsidise his wages.
Club still working with Pitch even though we have poached one of their staff? Maybe we had to pay a transfer fee or he's not very good and they were happy for him to leave.
@LargeAddick - more likely Pitch will see it as 'strengthening their client relationship' and be happy to have one of their own in a company that's happy to spunk money away on external consultants such as themselves... It's when he is told to fire them that it all becomes a bit messy....
It may also provide them with a mechanism for trying to control the club's own fuck-ups, ones that must be incredibly detrimental to Pitch. I'm reckon Tom sends the odd email every now and again passing little tidbits on..
Club still working with Pitch even though we have poached one of their staff? Maybe we had to pay a transfer fee or he's not very good and they were happy for him to leave.
Won't bring the shop back in house as would mean increasing the permanent staff head count by five but will hire consultant after consultant at much higher rates as don't know what they are doing and crucially consultants aren't part of the head count.
RD is obsessed with head count.
I've never got this mindset, is there any real advantage to lowering headcount - it just seems an utterly stupid metric?
The current client company I'm at has entire teams of contractors, purely because the holding company are reluctant (i.e refusing.) to give permission to increase headcount.
I've played about with an employee cost calculator, and for my industry at least, a very average contractor/consultant may cost the equivalent of a top-end PAYE employee. For a team full of top-notch contractors, you could easily have a larger team of actual employees.
Contractors are usually (or at least should be) brought in for project work. Get in five contractors for example, pay out more, get the project done, that cost goes away. If you bring in five permanent members of staff, you have those employee costs after the work is done. Give it 2-3yrs and it's then cost you more money.
also says to me they are a long way from giving up/selling up, and believe they can win..
And also their low opinion of football supporters - "okay, so the football side is a slow motion car crash, but the proles will swallow any old shit if we get the framing right"
Won't bring the shop back in house as would mean increasing the permanent staff head count by five but will hire consultant after consultant at much higher rates as don't know what they are doing and crucially consultants aren't part of the head count.
RD is obsessed with head count.
I've never got this mindset, is there any real advantage to lowering headcount - it just seems an utterly stupid metric?
The current client company I'm at has entire teams of contractors, purely because the holding company are reluctant (i.e refusing.) to give permission to increase headcount.
I've played about with an employee cost calculator, and for my industry at least, a very average contractor/consultant may cost the equivalent of a top-end PAYE employee. For a team full of top-notch contractors, you could easily have a larger team of actual employees.
Absolutely spot on re the consultants v employees, as a low average consultants will charge £250 - 300 per day plus expenses. God only knows what Bevington will charge! there are advantages to consultants in a short term, specialist role, however a higher end paid employee will in general be more committed to the company and therefore in the medium to long term be of more benefit.
Consultants means not having to arrange pension plans etc.
Before I went out on my own, the multinational company that I worked for often employed consultants. So much so that a lot of our IT guys left, joined the consultancy company, and were reemployed at three times their original salary.
Every time I read it the little voice in my head says it as "Rubbish Show", but I doubt that's right.
(although that little bastard in my head is usually right even though I tend to ignore him; "don't have another drink or you'll regret it", "don't go near her, she's a munter", "go and support Arsenal, it's not that far"........)
Won't bring the shop back in house as would mean increasing the permanent staff head count by five but will hire consultant after consultant at much higher rates as don't know what they are doing and crucially consultants aren't part of the head count.
RD is obsessed with head count.
I've never got this mindset, is there any real advantage to lowering headcount - it just seems an utterly stupid metric?
The current client company I'm at has entire teams of contractors, purely because the holding company are reluctant (i.e refusing.) to give permission to increase headcount.
I've played about with an employee cost calculator, and for my industry at least, a very average contractor/consultant may cost the equivalent of a top-end PAYE employee. For a team full of top-notch contractors, you could easily have a larger team of actual employees.
Contractors are usually (or at least should be) brought in for project work. Get in five contractors for example, pay out more, get the project done, that cost goes away. If you bring in five permanent members of staff, you have those employee costs after the work is done. Give it 2-3yrs and it's then cost you more money.
I completely get that it makes sense for project work, or perhaps even transitional periods, but I seem to find places regularly that really want a permanent member of staff. The implications of it make me feel quite uneasy too to be honest.
It's funny, because I'd happily take permanent work - with paid sick leave, paid vacation, and no tax or accounting responsibilities - over long term contract work. The aggro of laying in bed ill watching your pay go down, sleepless nights worrying over whether HMRC would throw the book at you for being a disguised employee, and realising you've lost a load of receipts... it's not really worth it if you're going to essentially be a permie.
As @stonemuse says, it's a barmy situation in IT - and a lot of government departments seem to be the worse. Offering £500 per day, for a 6 month rolling contract to do something a £70k salary could get you. (Not sure if gov departments do it to avoid some form of civil service salary structure now I think about it..)
Then to make the costs even worse, after a few renewals people find new contracts (often around 2 years when expensing items becomes a bit stricter) and the process starts again... With a drop in productivity whilst someone spends a few weeks getting to grips with process.
Instead of spending extortionate amounts of money for PR consultants maybe they should hire an experienced competent CEO who knows football. That would solve one of the major problems immediately and probably negate the need for the consultants.
No, katrien, for some reason I'm not sure about is essential to the business because, er, oh, er no Ah crap.
Club still working with Pitch even though we have poached one of their staff? Maybe we had to pay a transfer fee or he's not very good and they were happy for him to leave.
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The current client company I'm at has entire teams of contractors, purely because the holding company are reluctant (i.e refusing.) to give permission to increase headcount.
I've played about with an employee cost calculator, and for my industry at least, a very average contractor/consultant may cost the equivalent of a top-end PAYE employee. For a team full of top-notch contractors, you could easily have a larger team of actual employees.
anyone got a link to this video?
You are meant to be communicating!
God only knows what Bevington will charge! there are advantages to consultants in a short term, specialist role, however a higher end paid employee will in general be more committed to the company and therefore in the medium to long term be of more benefit.
Before I went out on my own, the multinational company that I worked for often employed consultants. So much so that a lot of our IT guys left, joined the consultancy company, and were reemployed at three times their original salary.
Every time I read it the little voice in my head says it as "Rubbish Show", but I doubt that's right.
(although that little bastard in my head is usually right even though I tend to ignore him; "don't have another drink or you'll regret it", "don't go near her, she's a munter", "go and support Arsenal, it's not that far"........)
It's funny, because I'd happily take permanent work - with paid sick leave, paid vacation, and no tax or accounting responsibilities - over long term contract work. The aggro of laying in bed ill watching your pay go down, sleepless nights worrying over whether HMRC would throw the book at you for being a disguised employee, and realising you've lost a load of receipts... it's not really worth it if you're going to essentially be a permie.
As @stonemuse says, it's a barmy situation in IT - and a lot of government departments seem to be the worse. Offering £500 per day, for a 6 month rolling contract to do something a £70k salary could get you. (Not sure if gov departments do it to avoid some form of civil service salary structure now I think about it..)
Then to make the costs even worse, after a few renewals people find new contracts (often around 2 years when expensing items becomes a bit stricter) and the process starts again... With a drop in productivity whilst someone spends a few weeks getting to grips with process.
Ah crap.
Roland is atrocious.
It's that simple.
Thought he was going to give KP a frenchy.