7th is crap. Robinson's aim at the begging of the season was promotion. Then it was the play-offs and now its 6th. Would you be happy with finishing 6th? I wouldn't. All the 'big games' since Robinson has been in charge we have lost. I have zero faith that we would win 3 play-off games under him. Yes he has had no money, but not many teams in League One do. Look at our team on paper compared to most teams we have played. We should be in a lot better position than we are.
Robinson is a rubbish football manager, it’s that simple. The squad we have should be top 3/4. I reckon there are plenty of managers out there who Could get us there just through changing tactics with no additions.
And he’s an annoying bastard.
You think so?
When other teams get physical (which at the end of the day is when we look our most vunerable) what do you suggest we do? Apart from bringing on a third centre back to add height I think we are hamstrung by the deficiencies of our squad. Too many small players, no physical types in midfield.
There are those who blame Karl for that, but there are plenty of you who think we've got a top three squad. Personally I think our squad is unbalanced and lightweight.
So who built this unbalanced and lightweight squad over the past three transfer windows?
Get out of that one Jimbo.
No problem pal. And not for the first time. I'm surprised more don't blame Roland for the fortunes of the club rather than the manager.
It's like Groundhog Day. Pretty much everyone blames RD. However, they also appreciate it is possible for more than one person to be at fault.
Agree, Duchatelet is the ultimate problem but Karl was quick to say how great Uncle Roland was when he was sacking DJs for him.
He also said how great Meire was.
He told us he had a great budget
He told us we had our Charlton back.
The only two things he didn't do was shut up or win games.
I think that is crap to be honest. He said what was expected of him and so would any other manager who a) wanted a job b) wanted to keep their job
He has had bugger all funds to build the team he would have wanted and I think the players he has bought in are a lot better and younger. If he had recruited the players he wanted in January I have no doubt we would be in a much better position than we find ourselves.
Exactly who is the manager you think we could have reasonably recruited, that would have not followed the party line, who would have done a better job, and that Roland would have been prepared to recruit and pay for?
Yes, my point exactly.
He said what the regime wanted him to say and was happy to do it. He even said his job was to do the talking that Meire wouldn't.
That's why they hired him despite being relegated behind Karel Fraeye's disaster team.
He was happy to say how great things were when they were in charge, what great backing he had, what a great budget they'd given him.
Now they are selling he's praising the fans, Murray, his coaches and telling everyone how tough he's had it.
He has one job, win games, and he hasn't done that often enough.
Other managers?
Paul Cook Paul Hurst Nathan Jones Jason Euell Kenny Jacket
Would they have taken the job under Roland? Most likely not but what does that say about Robinson?
Did any of those apply for the job? Let’s keep it real.
What it says about Robinson is that he was probably the best candidate for the job.
I think we can also reasonably deduce that he was given assurances that turned out to be lies and that he was given further assurances for the January window which were not honoured. That would have happened to whoever took the job, because if they didn’t believe it - they would not take the job. Certainly not the managers on your list!
He may be gullible, arrogant, plain stupid, or a combination of all three. But cast your mind back to the ageing midfield we had pre Robbo. I think we are in a better place as a team and a club and he deserves some credit.
I've no idea if they applied.
Duchatelet and Meire wanted a front man who'd do the talking they wouldn't/couldn't and who'd work with Roland's stooge Chris O'Loughlin.
Slade wouldn't so he was sacked. All the excuses you make for KR apply to Slade, who was given less time, maybe because he wasnt willing to play along with Duchatelet. One defeat and he was sacked.
Slade also brought in Pearce, Holmes and Magennis, mainstays of Robinson's team when available
Robinson knew all this and took the job.
Fair enough, he was out of work and wanted a job. Don't blame him for that.
As Covered End says he comes over as a nice enough guy but his job isn't to be nice, or talk.
His job is to win games. He doesn't do that often enough.
If he starts doing that more often and takes us up then all's good. That's keeping it real.
Believe they took him on because of his ability to sell and talk the talk.. Look at his interviews at MK, we even done the before game video of the team and set up Lolol
In all honesty, I'm ambivalent when it comes to Robbo.
But rather than dwell on his shortcomings or his strengths, I'd rather single out the one person who has influenced the fortunes of our club from day one.
From his ivory tower on distant shores, one man has single-handedly overseen the fall from both grace and the Championship of a well respected family club whose name is now uttered with accompanying sniggers by those who"know" football.
In addition, whether directly or via the hand/s of his chosen minions, he has toyed with the aspirations of honest, skilled employees who have either failed to meet his stringent objectives in their roles or who have moved on in frustration or even disgust at the way he runs this "ship". I can name several good people who couldn't continue to work under the current regime and retain their integrity.
Whether Robbo falls into said categorization, I'm unsure but I doubt whether he is the same guy who accepted the poisoned chalice 18 months or more ago.
He has inevitably been tarred with the brush that M.Duchatelet waves indiscriminately and for that alone, I have some sympathy for him, albeit it was his decision to enter that portal inscribed "Abandon hope all ye who enter here" ( or words to that effect)
And although he continues to portray himself as a confident, even cocky individual, I believe his his time at Charlton Athletic under the Belgian will haunt him for some time after he exits SE7.
Robinson is a rubbish football manager, it’s that simple. The squad we have should be top 3/4. I reckon there are plenty of managers out there who Could get us there just through changing tactics with no additions.
And he’s an annoying bastard.
You think so?
When other teams get physical (which at the end of the day is when we look our most vunerable) what do you suggest we do? Apart from bringing on a third centre back to add height I think we are hamstrung by the deficiencies of our squad. Too many small players, no physical types in midfield.
There are those who blame Karl for that, but there are plenty of you who think we've got a top three squad. Personally I think our squad is unbalanced and lightweight.
So who built this unbalanced and lightweight squad over the past three transfer windows?
Get out of that one Jimbo.
No problem pal. And not for the first time. I'm surprised more don't blame Roland for the fortunes of the club and the make up of the squad rather than the manager.
Duchatelet's failings are known to all.
Robinson should not have opened his beak from day one spouting off how great squirrel face and Duchatelet were.
Robinson is a rubbish football manager, it’s that simple. The squad we have should be top 3/4. I reckon there are plenty of managers out there who Could get us there just through changing tactics with no additions.
And he’s an annoying bastard.
You think so?
When other teams get physical (which at the end of the day is when we look our most vunerable) what do you suggest we do? Apart from bringing on a third centre back to add height I think we are hamstrung by the deficiencies of our squad. Too many small players, no physical types in midfield.
There are those who blame Karl for that, but there are plenty of you who think we've got a top three squad. Personally I think our squad is unbalanced and lightweight.
So who built this unbalanced and lightweight squad over the past three transfer windows?
Get out of that one Jimbo.
No problem pal. And not for the first time. I'm surprised more don't blame Roland for the fortunes of the club rather than the manager.
It's like Groundhog Day. Pretty much everyone blames RD. However, they also appreciate it is possible for more than one person to be at fault.
Agree, Duchatelet is the ultimate problem but Karl was quick to say how great Uncle Roland was when he was sacking DJs for him.
He also said how great Meire was.
He told us he had a great budget
He told us we had our Charlton back.
The only two things he didn't do was shut up or win games.
I think that is crap to be honest. He said what was expected of him and so would any other manager who a) wanted a job b) wanted to keep their job
He has had bugger all funds to build the team he would have wanted and I think the players he has bought in are a lot better and younger. If he had recruited the players he wanted in January I have no doubt we would be in a much better position than we find ourselves.
Exactly who is the manager you think we could have reasonably recruited, that would have not followed the party line, who would have done a better job, and that Roland would have been prepared to recruit and pay for?
Yes, my point exactly.
He said what the regime wanted him to say and was happy to do it. He even said his job was to do the talking that Meire wouldn't.
That's why they hired him despite being relegated behind Karel Fraeye's disaster team.
He was happy to say how great things were when they were in charge, what great backing he had, what a great budget they'd given him.
Now they are selling he's praising the fans, Murray, his coaches and telling everyone how tough he's had it.
He has one job, win games, and he hasn't done that often enough.
Other managers?
Paul Cook Paul Hurst Nathan Jones Jason Euell Kenny Jacket
Would they have taken the job under Roland? Most likely not but what does that say about Robinson?
Mr Seed.
Read this post and concede defeat with your support of Robinson.
I’m admittedly very naive but don’t get the hate towards KR
His tactics are limited but bloody hell what do people expect to manage Charlton Athletic
From my perspective it’s always been about the end of the season result, if we are out of the top 6 he goes and if we get in there who knows
I honestly don’t think there is much better out there than our favourite scouser get on with it
Tbh thats not very good for a manager is it?
You would expect a manager to have the skilset to change tactics - before or during a game.... That’s what the training ground is for. It’s basic stuff for a manager you would think.
Shrewsbury was a game that summed him up for me. They were better than us in every department. Personally I think we have better players quality wise than them, but that means nothing if they can’t perform as a team...Shrewsbury did that.
Afterwards Robinson, (and I can’t remember the exact words) said something along the lines of “we knew what they were going to do and how they would play” - my question is what was he doing on the training ground all week if he knew? Why didn’t he try and combat what Shrewsbury had to offer? Because he couldn’t - he didn’t have the tactical nous to do it.
I've seen a couple of posts stating Robinson is inexperienced. He has managed in 417 games. That is not inexperienced. He is doing what a lot of managers do. He had success with a formation and he is sticking with it. He tries to sign players he knows. I could argue that the formation is wrong for this division and the players he has available but that would just be my opinion.
Robinson was prepared to be a puppet for the Belgians.
He's now p***** off with it and now trying to get sympathy. He cannot have it both ways.
another good point, end of the day its everyone opinions, but questioning Robinsons credentials doesn't make you anti-charlton, i wont support the manager if hes shite and not correct for the job.
7th is crap. Robinson's aim at the begging of the season was promotion. Then it was the play-offs and now its 6th. Would you be happy with finishing 6th? I wouldn't. All the 'big games' since Robinson has been in charge we have lost. I have zero faith that we would win 3 play-off games under him. Yes he has had no money, but not many teams in League One do. Look at our team on paper compared to most teams we have played. We should be in a lot better position than we are.
will be finishing mid table next, with players out injured because we've come so far and there's a real buzz about the ground i can see it, the players feel it.
I have said this before, but whilst most of us couldn't manage a football club, we actually have more experience of watching football games than many managers. Now some people watch, but others get enjoyment doing some analysis during the game - speculating on tactical changes managers might make etc... It can make us quite informed amateurs.
I say this because it is clear to me from watching so many games in my life that some managers manage with fear. And I am very qualified to make that observation, as are many others. For instance, I know that when something isn't working it generally stays like that -it doesn't fix itself. So why do some managers, and Powell was guilty of this too, wait for something bad to happen in the hope that it won't when it is clear it isn't working. Robinson is incredibly weak in this area. Now if you change something/try something different it might not work, but it ought to be common sense to try.
Shrewsbury was a good example - we were lucky not to be losing at half time. I said to my brother during the interval, they are on top of us but Robinson won't make a change until they go one up. Sure enough, as soon as they scored, Fosu came on. Now why wait for the inevitable? Even if your changes do not work, you have tried them - you have nothing to lose. And this is where I think the fear comes in, a manager may think, well we are holding on, I don't want to risk things by making a change - this is even more common if they have a lead - but of course the biggest risk is to ignore what you are seeing and not try to act on it. I can tell all of these fearful managers that I have seen enough games to say that this fear loses you more points than it gets you!
It absolutely makes no difference if your changes work or not - they might very well not, but you can't know - what you do know, or at least you should know, is what you are doing now isn't working! Robinson has his qualities, but is in good company in this respect, but I don't see how managers can't identify this weakness and do something about it!
Robinson was prepared to be a puppet for the Belgians.
He's now p***** off with it and now trying to get sympathy. He cannot have it both ways.
We have plenty of lame fans that were prepared to turn a blind eye to Rolys joke of an experiment and let him shaft their loved one who after a couple of wins in league One would try and justify the experiment taking place and to shout down the protestors , thy have slid back under their stone for now . This fella is just looking to put bread on his table for the family and has to do whatever is necessary for that , so the bullshit is annoying but I can understand why he’s doing it .
I have said this before, but whilst most of us couldn't manage a football club, we actually have more experience of watching football games than many managers. Now some people watch, but others get enjoyment doing some analysis during the game - speculating on tactical changes managers might make etc... It can make us quite informed amateurs.
I say this because it is clear to me from watching so many games in my life that some managers manage with fear. And I am very qualified to make that observation, as are many others. For instance, I know that when something isn't working it generally stays like that -it doesn't fix itself. So why do some managers, and Powell was guilty of this too, wait for something bad to happen in the hope that it won't when it is clear it isn't working. Robinson is incredibly weak in this area. Now if you change something/try something different it might not work, but it ought to be common sense to try.
Shrewsbury was a good example - we were lucky not to be losing at half time. I said to my brother during the interval, they are on top of us but Robinson won't make a change until they go one up. Sure enough, as soon as they scored, Fosu came on. Now why wait for the inevitable? Even if your changes do not work, you have tried them - you have nothing to lose. And this is where I think the fear comes in, a manager may think, well we are holding on, I don't want to risk things by making a change - this is even more common if they have a lead - but of course the biggest risk is to ignore what you are seeing and not try to act on it. I can tell all of these fearful managers that I have seen enough games to say that this fear loses you more points than it gets you!
It absolutely makes no difference if your changes work or not - they might very well not, but you can't know - what you do know, or at least you should know, is what you are doing now isn't working! Robinson has his qualities, but is in good company in this respect, but I don't see how managers can't identify this weakness and do something about it!
I'm sure most of us have no real idea of what it takes to manage a league one club particularly with our ownership.
It's interesting comparing this season with last. We're getting more points per game, despite scoring no more goals per game and conceding MORE goals per game (last season our goals were inefficiently spread around, we stuffed Bristol Rovers twice for example) but I had expected things to be better
Either way, it's not massive progress.
Last season in 46 games we got 60 points (1.3 points per game) scoring 60 goals (1.3 per game) and conceding 53 (1.15 pg)
This season in 33 games we have 51 points (1.55 points per game) scoring 43 goals (1.3 per game) and conceding 41 (1.24 pg)
I feel more charitable towards Robinson than most. I think he was naive to believe the guff he was fed, but in the early days carried a kind of innocent hope. I certainly think he believed he would get more backing regarding players than he got, and I don't believe he intended to disappoint (unlike the questionable motives of mr 'patient'). I do think that Karl is not experienced enough or rounded enough to meet all the footballing challenges, and he needs to concentrate on that rather than think he has to heal all areas of the club. From the beginning (and always and for all time) it should have been about the results and judging him by results it has been decidedly indifferent, judging him on the wider areas of his role he has not been the wicked witch of the west, but rather as I said, naive. I have even been pleasantly diverted by the fact we have even had a manager for more than five minutes and it has been possible to contemplate his football philosophy for a while. There was never time to really assess the managers that preceded him under this regime. At least even if you disagree with him, Robinson is a football person that one can reflect about rather than something that whizzes past the corner of your eye.
Robinson is a rubbish football manager, it’s that simple. The squad we have should be top 3/4. I reckon there are plenty of managers out there who Could get us there just through changing tactics with no additions.
And he’s an annoying bastard.
You think so?
When other teams get physical (which at the end of the day is when we look our most vunerable) what do you suggest we do? Apart from bringing on a third centre back to add height I think we are hamstrung by the deficiencies of our squad. Too many small players, no physical types in midfield.
There are those who blame Karl for that, but there are plenty of you who think we've got a top three squad. Personally I think our squad is unbalanced and lightweight.
So who built this unbalanced and lightweight squad over the past three transfer windows?
Get out of that one Jimbo.
No problem pal. And not for the first time. I'm surprised more don't blame Roland for the fortunes of the club rather than the manager.
It's like Groundhog Day. Pretty much everyone blames RD. However, they also appreciate it is possible for more than one person to be at fault.
Agree, Duchatelet is the ultimate problem but Karl was quick to say how great Uncle Roland was when he was sacking DJs for him.
He also said how great Meire was.
He told us he had a great budget
He told us we had our Charlton back.
The only two things he didn't do was shut up or win games.
Lots of exaggerations in there Ben.
And we wouldn't be where we are in the league without winning games.
But don't worry, I'm sure he'll be gone soon enough.
What exaggerations exactly?
Well, you make it sound like he was endlessly extolling RD & KMs' virtues, when it was just one or two comments at pressers. Did he say we had a 'great budget'? If he did, did he say it hoping to lever one out of RD perhaps? We know he didn't have a great budget. Maybe he was promised one, which seems bloody likely to me.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't get the blaming KR for all the clubs ills when the blame should be focused on RD. But sure there are better managers out there, but would they join us under RD? No. It remains to be seen whether they'll join us under new owners.
Do people genuinely believe that players are joining us cos we are the mighty Charlton The likes of Reeves Fosu and co will have signed for us because we can offer the best wages , you can bet your bottom dollar our wage bill is top 6 easily
Fosu was an unknown quantity last season... Don't think he had many/any other offers.
Reeves thought he could do better but no one was willing to meet his salary demands... Not even us. He settled for our contract when he realised it.
Robinson is a rubbish football manager, it’s that simple. The squad we have should be top 3/4. I reckon there are plenty of managers out there who Could get us there just through changing tactics with no additions.
And he’s an annoying bastard.
You think so?
When other teams get physical (which at the end of the day is when we look our most vunerable) what do you suggest we do? Apart from bringing on a third centre back to add height I think we are hamstrung by the deficiencies of our squad. Too many small players, no physical types in midfield.
There are those who blame Karl for that, but there are plenty of you who think we've got a top three squad. Personally I think our squad is unbalanced and lightweight.
So who built this unbalanced and lightweight squad over the past three transfer windows?
Get out of that one Jimbo.
No problem pal. And not for the first time. I'm surprised more don't blame Roland for the fortunes of the club rather than the manager.
It's like Groundhog Day. Pretty much everyone blames RD. However, they also appreciate it is possible for more than one person to be at fault.
Agree, Duchatelet is the ultimate problem but Karl was quick to say how great Uncle Roland was when he was sacking DJs for him.
He also said how great Meire was.
He told us he had a great budget
He told us we had our Charlton back.
The only two things he didn't do was shut up or win games.
Lots of exaggerations in there Ben.
And we wouldn't be where we are in the league without winning games.
But don't worry, I'm sure he'll be gone soon enough.
What exaggerations exactly?
Well, you make it sound like he was endlessly extolling RD & KMs' virtues, when it was just one or two comments at pressers. Did he say we had a 'great budget'? If he did, did he say it hoping to lever one out of RD perhaps? We know he didn't have a great budget. Maybe he was promised one, which seems bloody likely to me.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't get the blaming KR for all the clubs ills when the blame should be focused on RD. But sure there are better managers out there, but would they join us under RD? No. It remains to be seen whether they'll join us under new owners.
So no exaggerations at all then.
I never said "endlessly". You did. That was you exaggerating. But he did praise RD and KM more than once.
Yes, he did say he had a great budget, much more than he'd ever had before. I don't why he said it, although I suspect it was to get in the good books of his bosses, but regardless he said it so, again, it wasn't an exaggeration.
I'm not blaming KR for all the clubs ills. I actually wrote "Duchatelet is the ultimate problem" in the first line of the post so, again, who's exaggerating?
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Duchatelet and Meire wanted a front man who'd do the talking they wouldn't/couldn't and who'd work with Roland's stooge Chris O'Loughlin.
Slade wouldn't so he was sacked. All the excuses you make for KR apply to Slade, who was given less time, maybe because he wasnt willing to play along with Duchatelet. One defeat and he was sacked.
Slade also brought in Pearce, Holmes and Magennis, mainstays of Robinson's team when available
Robinson knew all this and took the job.
Fair enough, he was out of work and wanted a job. Don't blame him for that.
As Covered End says he comes over as a nice enough guy but his job isn't to be nice, or talk.
His job is to win games. He doesn't do that often enough.
If he starts doing that more often and takes us up then all's good. That's keeping it real.
Believe they took him on because of his ability to sell and talk the talk..
Look at his interviews at MK, we even done the before game video of the team and set up Lolol
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But rather than dwell on his shortcomings or his strengths, I'd rather single out the one person who has influenced the fortunes of our club from day one.
From his ivory tower on distant shores, one man has single-handedly overseen the fall from both grace and the Championship of a well respected family club whose name is now uttered with accompanying sniggers by those who"know" football.
In addition, whether directly or via the hand/s of his chosen minions, he has toyed with the aspirations of honest, skilled employees who have either failed to meet his stringent objectives in their roles or who have moved on in frustration or even disgust at the way he runs this "ship". I can name several good people who couldn't continue to work under the current regime and retain their integrity.
Whether Robbo falls into said categorization, I'm unsure but I doubt whether he is the same guy who accepted the poisoned chalice 18 months or more ago.
He has inevitably been tarred with the brush that M.Duchatelet waves indiscriminately and for that alone, I have some sympathy for him, albeit it was his decision to enter that portal inscribed "Abandon hope all ye who enter here" ( or words to that effect)
And although he continues to portray himself as a confident, even cocky individual, I believe his his time at Charlton Athletic under the Belgian will haunt him for some time after he exits SE7.
We know how you feel, Karl.
Robinson should not have opened his beak from day one spouting off how great squirrel face and Duchatelet were.
Read this post and concede defeat with your support of Robinson.
You would expect a manager to have the skilset to change tactics - before or during a game.... That’s what the training ground is for. It’s basic stuff for a manager you would think.
Shrewsbury was a game that summed him up for me. They were better than us in every department. Personally I think we have better players quality wise than them, but that means nothing if they can’t perform as a team...Shrewsbury did that.
Afterwards Robinson, (and I can’t remember the exact words) said something along the lines of “we knew what they were going to do and how they would play” - my question is what was he doing on the training ground all week if he knew? Why didn’t he try and combat what Shrewsbury had to offer? Because he couldn’t - he didn’t have the tactical nous to do it.
He's now p***** off with it and now trying to get sympathy. He cannot have it both ways.
He is doing what a lot of managers do. He had success with a formation and he is sticking with it. He tries to sign players he knows.
I could argue that the formation is wrong for this division and the players he has available but that would just be my opinion.
I say this because it is clear to me from watching so many games in my life that some managers manage with fear. And I am very qualified to make that observation, as are many others. For instance, I know that when something isn't working it generally stays like that -it doesn't fix itself. So why do some managers, and Powell was guilty of this too, wait for something bad to happen in the hope that it won't when it is clear it isn't working. Robinson is incredibly weak in this area. Now if you change something/try something different it might not work, but it ought to be common sense to try.
Shrewsbury was a good example - we were lucky not to be losing at half time. I said to my brother during the interval, they are on top of us but Robinson won't make a change until they go one up. Sure enough, as soon as they scored, Fosu came on. Now why wait for the inevitable? Even if your changes do not work, you have tried them - you have nothing to lose. And this is where I think the fear comes in, a manager may think, well we are holding on, I don't want to risk things by making a change - this is even more common if they have a lead - but of course the biggest risk is to ignore what you are seeing and not try to act on it. I can tell all of these fearful managers that I have seen enough games to say that this fear loses you more points than it gets you!
It absolutely makes no difference if your changes work or not - they might very well not, but you can't know - what you do know, or at least you should know, is what you are doing now isn't working! Robinson has his qualities, but is in good company in this respect, but I don't see how managers can't identify this weakness and do something about it!
This fella is just looking to put bread on his table for the family and has to do whatever is necessary for that , so the bullshit is annoying but I can understand why he’s doing it .
Either way, it's not massive progress.
Last season in 46 games we got 60 points (1.3 points per game) scoring 60 goals (1.3 per game) and conceding 53 (1.15 pg)
This season in 33 games we have 51 points (1.55 points per game) scoring 43 goals (1.3 per game) and conceding 41 (1.24 pg)
I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't get the blaming KR for all the clubs ills when the blame should be focused on RD.
But sure there are better managers out there, but would they join us under RD? No. It remains to be seen whether they'll join us under new owners.
Reeves thought he could do better but no one was willing to meet his salary demands... Not even us. He settled for our contract when he realised it.
I never said "endlessly". You did. That was you exaggerating. But he did praise RD and KM more than once.
Yes, he did say he had a great budget, much more than he'd ever had before. I don't why he said it, although I suspect it was to get in the good books of his bosses, but regardless he said it so, again, it wasn't an exaggeration.
I'm not blaming KR for all the clubs ills. I actually wrote "Duchatelet is the ultimate problem" in the first line of the post so, again, who's exaggerating?