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New Jimmy Seed Sign
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It's not our job to design it. It's not her job to find the funding. The job is to liaise with fans and point things out to the club. This is what we did.0
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Oh stop it, all of you, for Christs sake!2
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So what do you actually do? What you just described is the Fans Forum. You were meant to be a business development group?Swisdom said:It's not our job to design it. It's not her job to find the funding. The job is to liaise with fans and point things out to the club. This is what we did.
Other than claim that "I am really happy that Target 20K had a level of engagement with the club" that is?
As for being jealous, some of us have been campaigning about the Jimmy Seed Stand for decades
In case you are wondering that's me and @jdmotion on the pitch when the stand was rededicated in the 90s. Yeah, I'm so jealous that Meire asked you to join T20K.1 -
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And here's a photo from the '81 opening of The Jimmy Seed Stand. I chaperoned my mum that day (granddad would never let her talk to players, and I wasn't about to let that change after all those years!). Actually she was quite chatty with Croker, and one or two others (Ufton?), but her big favourite (of course) was Sam Bartram, who had sadly died a couple of months earlier. I'd love to have met him.
I chatted to a few of the players, and told Chris Duffy he was JS's favourite player, something he told me when I was about 9. Although on reflection, he mentioned one or two other names as well, but Duffy's was the one that stuck in my mind. They were a great bunch, funny and irreverent. Alan Mullery wasn't, however.
I ran a Twitter poll canvassing opinion on the design of the sign a few months back. The vote was in favour of a white background with red type, like the original sign. I also suggested (as did @henryirving) that the old and new crests were used, one at each end.
I think the white background might have meant a considerable amount of extra work, so I'm not worried that that aspect didn't happen and, as I withdrew from the project, it wasn't up to me anyway.
Still, I got a good feeling when I noticed the new sign yesterday. Six months ago I was genuinely concerned that the old one wouldn't be replaced, and would eventually just disappear.
@henryirving has been a driving force in keeping alive the club's links to the past, so kudos and thanks go out to him and his other museum trustees. It's just a shame that club stalwarts such as he and @SE7toSG3 have been marginalised, or at least under appreciated by the current management.
Hopefully the 'fan on the board' project will be ressurrected some day (and the Seed family can at last take it's rightful place on the SMT - lol)
In the area where I sit (Upper West) they all know about the sign, and are pleased it's been done, but why are so many of them against the protests? [Sorry, wrong thread?].
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I would have preferred it to read The Jimmy Seed Stand.
Sorry if I'm being picky.6 -
Cool. I'm just glad it got done. I'm not looking for a pat on the back and I'm nobody's stooge - just a fan, like you.Henry Irving said:
So what do you actually do? What you just described is the Fans Forum. You were meant to be a business development group?Swisdom said:It's not our job to design it. It's not her job to find the funding. The job is to liaise with fans and point things out to the club. This is what we did.
Other than claim that "I am really happy that Target 20K had a level of engagement with the club" that is?
As for being jealous, some of us have been campaigning about the Jimmy Seed Stand for decades
In case you are wondering that's me and @jdmotion on the pitch when the stand was rededicated in the 90s. Yeah, I'm so jealous that Meire asked you to be her stooge.
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No expense spent, cheap bastards, the lettering isn't even square and the background already looks faded.
We know the regime doesn't give a fuck for anything pre-2011 in some kind of new-creationist dogma and this is precisely the kind of transparent lip-service they are committed to.
If it's worth doing, do it well.
There are, I suppose, two things at which KM and her toadies are keen to maintain their standards: mugging us off and underestimating us. Hateful and moronic at the same time, a winning combination.2 -
Not sure who designed it, but in desperate need of some extra tracking between those letters. Case in point, the original Jimmy Seed sign above.2
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We're both fans and I know we both want the best for the club.Swisdom said:
Cool. I'm just glad it got done. I'm not looking for a pat on the back and I'm nobody's stooge - just a fan, like you.Henry Irving said:
So what do you actually do? What you just described is the Fans Forum. You were meant to be a business development group?Swisdom said:It's not our job to design it. It's not her job to find the funding. The job is to liaise with fans and point things out to the club. This is what we did.
Other than claim that "I am really happy that Target 20K had a level of engagement with the club" that is?
As for being jealous, some of us have been campaigning about the Jimmy Seed Stand for decades
In case you are wondering that's me and @jdmotion on the pitch when the stand was rededicated in the 90s. Yeah, I'm so jealous that Meire asked you to be her stooge.
Don't blame you for sticking up for T20k but the "jealous" dig was a cheap shot that sounds like something someone else has said to you to try and dismiss my opposition. As shown its been something I've been involved with and committed to for a long while.
Then again, the stooge remark was OTT too so I apologise1 -
I had nothing to do with the design in the end.Swisdom said:Jimmys grandson is happy with it on Twitter
He came up with a design himself - don't know if it was just like this but it looks familiar
Happy enough with the end result, but I studied typography at college and I might have increased the letter spacing a gnats. I'm not complaining though.
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And a typeface other than Helvetica would have been a nice touch, something from that era.jdmotion said:
I had nothing to do with the design in the end.Swisdom said:Jimmys grandson is happy with it on Twitter
He came up with a design himself - don't know if it was just like this but it looks familiar
Happy enough with the end result, but I studied typography at college and I might have increased the letter spacing a gnats. I'm not complaining though.
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My son-in-law is a designer and knocked up a design using the typeface from the old programmes.Nug said:
And a typeface other than Helvetica would have been a nice touch, something from that era.jdmotion said:
I had nothing to do with the design in the end.Swisdom said:Jimmys grandson is happy with it on Twitter
He came up with a design himself - don't know if it was just like this but it looks familiar
Happy enough with the end result, but I studied typography at college and I might have increased the letter spacing a gnats. I'm not complaining though.
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Be interested in seeing that.jdmotion said:
My son-in-law is a designer and knocked up a design using the typeface from the old programmes.Nug said:
And a typeface other than Helvetica would have been a nice touch, something from that era.jdmotion said:
I had nothing to do with the design in the end.Swisdom said:Jimmys grandson is happy with it on Twitter
He came up with a design himself - don't know if it was just like this but it looks familiar
Happy enough with the end result, but I studied typography at college and I might have increased the letter spacing a gnats. I'm not complaining though.0 -
Well we noticed it had been repainted and while it didn't look like a very good effort, it looked fine Nd in the end was fine without fanfare.
It's a partial plus from us.0 -
I agree re the font and the least that should have been done in my view was to match the other stands.
I also recognise it's a basic maintenance job that's been long neglected, but in my view it transformed the stand and it's to the club's credit they did it.
If it was done by another regime we'd welcome it, and I don't want my opposition to them to turn me into someone who criticises them just for the sake of criticising. So thanks management for getting it sorted, even though it's been kind of the least you could do in the event.
You can sell the club now.7 -
Nice one ginge!Henry Irving said:
So what do you actually do? What you just described is the Fans Forum. You were meant to be a business development group?Swisdom said:It's not our job to design it. It's not her job to find the funding. The job is to liaise with fans and point things out to the club. This is what we did.
Other than claim that "I am really happy that Target 20K had a level of engagement with the club" that is?
As for being jealous, some of us have been campaigning about the Jimmy Seed Stand for decades
In case you are wondering that's me and @jdmotion on the pitch when the stand was rededicated in the 90s. Yeah, I'm so jealous that Meire asked you to be her stooge.
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Unfortunately comments to the effect that they don't need our money, and other failures to engage with fans groups that aren't appointees of the club, make anything like this appear to be disingenuous attempts at faking engagement.3
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Amazing how quickly it went up since we retracted our offer to do it free of charge.11
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Tbh Olly Groom told me that he was behind the scenes getting it off the ground (literally) once the issue was raised on Twitter by myself and the museum - I'm not sure the SMT types were that inolved by the sounds of it. Apart from to ok the project.razil said:Unfortunately comments to the effect that they don't need our money, and other failures to engage with fans groups that aren't appointees of the club, make anything like this appear to be disingenuous attempts at faking engagement.
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I'm glad it had been done to your satisfaction @jdmotion , and well done @Ollywozere for running with this.2
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I wondered about this. It could, of course, just be a coincidence but it could, also, be someone at the club sticking their fingers up at the very public statement (sharing the letter on Charlton Life) that you made when you withdrew your offer to make the sign.masicat said:Amazing how quickly it went up since we retracted our offer to do it free of charge.
Interestingly, if this is not as a direct response to your withdrawal then it suggests that they always intended to decline your offer of a free sign.
In either event i don't think it makes KM look very clever.5 -
Always a redEssex_Al said:
Nice one ginge!Henry Irving said:
So what do you actually do? What you just described is the Fans Forum. You were meant to be a business development group?Swisdom said:It's not our job to design it. It's not her job to find the funding. The job is to liaise with fans and point things out to the club. This is what we did.
Other than claim that "I am really happy that Target 20K had a level of engagement with the club" that is?
As for being jealous, some of us have been campaigning about the Jimmy Seed Stand for decades
In case you are wondering that's me and @jdmotion on the pitch when the stand was rededicated in the 90s. Yeah, I'm so jealous that Meire asked you to be her stooge.1 -
Tbh Olly Groom told me that he was behind the scenes getting it off the ground (literally) once the issue was raised on Twitter by myself and the museum - I'm not sure the SMT types were that inolved by the sounds of it. Apart from to ok the project.
I do hope we are reading to much into this re 'de Kloobs' mind games, it may just be down to the hard work of @Ollywozere, a sane rock in a pool of incompetence.
It's been said over and over but the likes of Olly and Mick E are Charlton
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Oh, and one small regret: I wasn't really active on CL when asking for feedback/suggestions for the sign on Twitter. Had I been I would have requested feeback here. Would have been possible to have a more detailed discussion, and @nug (a typographer) could have had some input. Still, pleased anyway.
My next dream is to have a statue of JS, near Sam's, like a matching pair. They were quite a double act. How often do you get a player and a manager both serving the same club, for nearly a quarter of a century, at the same time?5 -
I'm just reading the book. Amazing, could be a different game on a different planet. JS's sadness following his departure comes through despite his bravery on the first morning he woke and had nowhere to go. Being asked to complete the transfer he was working on can be seen as cruel or kind. All that said, what a great read.jdmotion said:Oh, and one small regret: I wasn't really active on CL when asking for feedback/suggestions for the sign on Twitter. Had I been I would have requested feeback here. Would have been possible to have a more detailed discussion, and @nug (a typographer) could have had some input. Still, pleased anyway.
My next dream is to have a statue of JS, near Sam's, like a matching pair. They were quite a double act. How often do you get a player and a manager both serving the same club, for nearly a quarter of a century, at the same time?0 -
That's because we are all wonky in the Upper West.jdmotion said:
Hadn't noticed that. Looked ok from Upper West.EastTerrace said:Very Good. Although it does looks a bit wonky.
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