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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,263
    As taught by.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,263
    Covered End said:

    Ketman said:

    I have heard that Congo Chris was put in charge of Set pieces Defending & attacking. The Back four to be fair has been steady this season but Watching the first goal go in I thought that's one we would not normally concede.

    Tbf Lookman came up with a free kick I've never seen before.
    LOOK ABOVE !
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    Phillips: blameless
    Konsa: asking a teenage centre half to play as an attacking full back is a tough tough task but he didn't make much of a job of it however much slack we'd want to cut him
    Fox: far from the worst on display the cheering when he was subbed was cnuttish
    Teixeira: maybe he's rusty, maybe he doesn't give a shit, which after his treatment shouldn't be surprising
    Bauer: definitely looks rusty
    Botaka: ability but no pace and poor decision making - far from the worst
    Crofts: really not very good
    Ulvestad: left hopelessly exposed by the inadequates all around
    Lookman: petulant, juvenile, embarassing you're 19 not 9 FFS
    Magennis: hamstrung by KR's idiotic initial setup no service at any time, tirelessly willing, a solitary beacon in red
    Ajose: shameful shameful shameful like a shrunken Jimmy Fat Hasselwank - just go away
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,735
    I would disagree with Phillips being blameless. He should have come for the cross on the first goal, it was close enough to him. At least make the Posh player think twice about getting a fist in his ear.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,044
    Missed It said:

    I would disagree with Phillips being blameless. He should have come for the cross on the first goal, it was close enough to him. At least make the Posh player think twice about getting a fist in his ear.

    Didnt someone who attends the U23 games that its an area of Phillips' game that he doesnt do? (i.e. He's one of these 'keepers who stays on his line for set pieces rather than coming to claim them because he's not the biggest of lads).

    I felt out of the two he should have left his goal sooner for the second and so making the target smaller
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,735
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Missed It said:

    I would disagree with Phillips being blameless. He should have come for the cross on the first goal, it was close enough to him. At least make the Posh player think twice about getting a fist in his ear.

    Didnt someone who attends the U23 games that its an area of Phillips' game that he doesnt do? (i.e. He's one of these 'keepers who stays on his line for set pieces rather than coming to claim them because he's not the biggest of lads).

    I felt out of the two he should have left his goal sooner for the second and so making the target smaller
    It was a good cross, so he needed to make the decision to go for it early. In the end he made no decision at all. I wouldn't blame him for the second, the defenders in front of him need a roasting for that.
  • SuperCliveMendonca
    SuperCliveMendonca Posts: 913
    Missed It said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Missed It said:

    I would disagree with Phillips being blameless. He should have come for the cross on the first goal, it was close enough to him. At least make the Posh player think twice about getting a fist in his ear.

    Didnt someone who attends the U23 games that its an area of Phillips' game that he doesnt do? (i.e. He's one of these 'keepers who stays on his line for set pieces rather than coming to claim them because he's not the biggest of lads).

    I felt out of the two he should have left his goal sooner for the second and so making the target smaller
    It was a good cross, so he needed to make the decision to go for it early. In the end he made no decision at all. I wouldn't blame him for the second, the defenders in front of him need a roasting for that.
    The first goal was of Di Canio type quality FK, on the money, difficult for keepers to come for it,defenders to defend that.
    However the second one I do blame Phillips for not narrowing the angle at least, stood still inside the 6 year box it looked like until Taylor shot, poor coaching IMO.

    I've not been to a worst game I don't think since the drab 84/85 season with Friday night games against Carlisle and Cardiff
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,735
    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,489
    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,489
    Like, sure we were shit and our squad isn't good enough yet but calling our best player of the last few weeks 'cheap and all we have left' is frankly ludicrous

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  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,735
    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    The whole situation is ridiculous. I'm just joining in!!
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,879
    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    The whole situation is ridiculous. I'm just joining in!!
    I'm not, I'm not posting anymore






    D'oh
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,475
    blackpool72 said:

    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    The whole situation is ridiculous. I'm just joining in!!
    I'm not, I'm not posting anymore






    D'oh
    would you like me to put up that Peters and Lee classic .. 'Welcome Home' ?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,879
    Lincsaddick said:

    blackpool72 said:

    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    The whole situation is ridiculous. I'm just joining in!!
    I'm not, I'm not posting anymore






    D'oh
    would you like me to put up that Peters and Lee classic .. 'Welcome Home' ?
    I was so angry Saturday Lincs that i just wanted to walk away from anything to do with Charlton. I've calmed down now but the only games i will attend at the valley are the protest games
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,295
    The defensive line was too deep to start with, which meant the keeper had no chance. By the time the ball reached the centre of the goal, there were too many bodies on top of him. Our defenders weren't strong enough in keeping the Posh strong men away from the danger area.

    If Congo Chris is on Set Plays, I hope he looks at the Posh corner routine from the right. The Posh Centre Backs worked a simple block on the penalty spot. Our markers were completely caught out, but escaped because the ref gave a foul for a push at the far post. Posh cleared the centre of the goal for the two big boys, by positioning three players beyond the far post close to the bye line. THe no.5 ran from the back of the area and stopped on the penalty spot, where he blocked the marker of no.4 following behind him, to spring him free into the near post area. Not sure who we had marking them. Nice corner kick routine. Who's scouting the opposition?
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,729
    blackpool72 said:

    Lincsaddick said:

    blackpool72 said:

    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    The whole situation is ridiculous. I'm just joining in!!
    I'm not, I'm not posting anymore






    D'oh
    would you like me to put up that Peters and Lee classic .. 'Welcome Home' ?
    I was so angry Saturday Lincs that i just wanted to walk away from anything to do with Charlton. I've calmed down now but the only games i will attend at the valley are the protest games
    Please can we have another protest, it's the only games with any atmosphere.
  • AddickFC81
    AddickFC81 Posts: 4,053
    edited December 2016
    Hartleypete said:

    blackpool72 said:

    Lincsaddick said:

    blackpool72 said:

    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    The whole situation is ridiculous. I'm just joining in!!
    I'm not, I'm not posting anymore






    D'oh
    would you like me to put up that Peters and Lee classic .. 'Welcome Home' ?
    I was so angry Saturday Lincs that i just wanted to walk away from anything to do with Charlton. I've calmed down now but the only games i will attend at the valley are the protest games
    Please can we have another protest, it's the only games with any atmosphere.
    Maybe we should throw pigs on the pitch on Wednesday night. ;)
  • AddickFC81
    AddickFC81 Posts: 4,053
    What was Adrian Durham like of Talksport today? I din't hear his show today.

    Not because I didn't want to but I just wasn't in the car at the time.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,236
    Phillips had no chance with either goal and I'm quite frankly surprised that anyone thinks otherwise.
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,735
    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    Let me clarify, I'm not exactly Grapevine and can be brief and somewhat blunt at times. Phillips is only playing because Rudd is injured, it doesn't matter how good or bad he is. As soon as Rudd is fit, Phillips is out of the side again no matter what. Rudd is on loan, paid a lot more and Norwich will get the hump if he isn't playing. Charlton are paying enough players to not play for Charlton as it is, they are not going to add another. There is no competition for the goalkeeping position at Charlton.

    The club didn't have a senior goalkeeper until they signed Rudd at the beginning of August. Plan B, was Phillips. A 21 year old who had played zero games in the Football League. Who plays if Phillips is injured too? 19 year old Mitov gets recalled from the Ryman League? The multi-millionaire Duchatelet won't pay for experience or depth in the squad. He'd rather flog youth team players until they're ruined, like Ahearne-Grant. Phillips would be better off going back to Cheltenham to continue developing. The club aren't doing him any favours.

    Having said all that, I just watched back the Posh match video (to make sure I wasn't being completely ridiculous!) and my initial reaction at the game that Phillips should have come for the ball was probably wrong. It was an excellent cross and he didn't have much of a chance after all.

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  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 12,018
    Phillips is a good keeper. He couldn't be blamed for Saturday's defeat and has been playing really well since he came in.
  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,713
    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    Let me clarify, I'm not exactly Grapevine and can be brief and somewhat blunt at times. Phillips is only playing because Rudd is injured, it doesn't matter how good or bad he is. As soon as Rudd is fit, Phillips is out of the side again no matter what. Rudd is on loan, paid a lot more and Norwich will get the hump if he isn't playing. Charlton are paying enough players to not play for Charlton as it is, they are not going to add another. There is no competition for the goalkeeping position at Charlton.

    The club didn't have a senior goalkeeper until they signed Rudd at the beginning of August. Plan B, was Phillips. A 21 year old who had played zero games in the Football League. Who plays if Phillips is injured too? 19 year old Mitov gets recalled from the Ryman League? The multi-millionaire Duchatelet won't pay for experience or depth in the squad. He'd rather flog youth team players until they're ruined, like Ahearne-Grant. Phillips would be better off going back to Cheltenham to continue developing. The club aren't doing him any favours.

    Having said all that, I just watched back the Posh match video (to make sure I wasn't being completely ridiculous!) and my initial reaction at the game that Phillips should have come for the ball was probably wrong. It was an excellent cross and he didn't have much of a chance after all.
    By all accounts Cheltenham would pay him better as well. Can't see him sticking around which is a shame as he looks a great prospect.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,236
    rananegra said:

    Missed It said:

    Leuth said:

    Missed It said:

    Either way, I don't really hold Phillips responsible. His place in the first team is a result of the club selling all of its goalkeepers and not replacing them with proper, experienced players. He's not in there because he's good, he's in there because he's cheap and he's all we have left.

    This is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
    Let me clarify, I'm not exactly Grapevine and can be brief and somewhat blunt at times. Phillips is only playing because Rudd is injured, it doesn't matter how good or bad he is. As soon as Rudd is fit, Phillips is out of the side again no matter what. Rudd is on loan, paid a lot more and Norwich will get the hump if he isn't playing. Charlton are paying enough players to not play for Charlton as it is, they are not going to add another. There is no competition for the goalkeeping position at Charlton.

    The club didn't have a senior goalkeeper until they signed Rudd at the beginning of August. Plan B, was Phillips. A 21 year old who had played zero games in the Football League. Who plays if Phillips is injured too? 19 year old Mitov gets recalled from the Ryman League? The multi-millionaire Duchatelet won't pay for experience or depth in the squad. He'd rather flog youth team players until they're ruined, like Ahearne-Grant. Phillips would be better off going back to Cheltenham to continue developing. The club aren't doing him any favours.

    Having said all that, I just watched back the Posh match video (to make sure I wasn't being completely ridiculous!) and my initial reaction at the game that Phillips should have come for the ball was probably wrong. It was an excellent cross and he didn't have much of a chance after all.
    By all accounts Cheltenham would pay him better as well. Can't see him sticking around which is a shame as he looks a great prospect.
    Why would he leave, when he'll probably be first choice, when Rudd returns to Norwich ?
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,295
    edited December 2016
    Peterborough in their 4-4-2 Diamond again tonight, so it is their standard system. John Sheridan the Notts County manager has also gone with the diamond to match up. Only trouble is.... Posh are two up after 7 mins.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,236
    Tutt-Tutt said:

    Peterborough in their 4-4-2 Diamond again tonight, so it is their standard system. John Sheridan the Notts County manager has also gone with the diamond to match up. Only trouble is.... Posh are two up after 7 mins.

    You're fired !
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,295
    edited December 2016
    Me or John Sheridan?

    County doing well now. They've stopped Posh playing and caused a few problems.

    Missed pen by Stead and bad miss by Hollis at the far post on a corner.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,236
    Tutt-Tutt said:

    Me or John Sheridan?

    County doing well now. They've stopped Posh playing and caused a few problems.

    Missed pen by Stead and bad miss by Hollis at the far post on a corner.

    You. You said we should have "matched up" Peterboro on Saturday :wink::wink:
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,295
    edited December 2016
    So what would you have done then?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,236
    Tutt-Tutt said:

    So what would you have done then?

    No idea. I leave the tactics to you. You're much better.
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,295
    Covered End said:

    Tutt-Tutt said:

    So what would you have done then?

    No idea. I leave the tactics to you. You're much better.
    Shame, it's always good to hear an alternative theory.

    Notts County are 38 places below Peterborough in the league. That might be relevant in the result. However despite an obvious lack of quality County have done well, missed pen, hit the bar, blah, blah, blah. Fact is, you can't allow two key midfielders to roam free, as we did on Saturday. Sheridan can see that, apparently The Micky and Congo Chris couldn't, which is worrying.

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