It's difficult to put aside what I think of the fans. Within those last 25 years those fans have shown the local community the 'spirit' of burning cars and rioting before the net had stopped rippling from Stern Johns magical moment.
What people are forgetting is that the land that hosts the excellent Millwall Community Trust is being sold off to an offshore based private developer to build homes that surprise surprise won't be affordable for most working people.
Millwall Community Trust like our trust do excellent work. They support and help the young, the elderly and the disadvantaged. The Millwall Trust saved Lewisham council £7.5million last year but are now being thrown under the bus by the council. With this cruel and nasty government we have whose policy of decimating public services through needless austerity, these trusts have become more and more invaluable to people who need help and support. The worse thing about this, is that Lewisham council is a labour run council and some of the councillors have links to the private firm buying the land. You can't claim to be the party of anti auesterity if you're allowing your council to act like Tories.
This. Our community trust wins awards nearly every year and has done for the last 25 years. Putting aside what you think of our fans, this whole thing is rotten to the core.
So is it not possible to run the trust from anywhere else?
IMHO, It comes across that the trust is being used like some sort of pawn by your owner, take it away and the trust folds.
Also, if he is allowed to develop the land, wouldn't he also be building on the land that he is moaning about losing?
What people are forgetting is that the land that hosts the excellent Millwall Community Trust is being sold off to an offshore based private developer to build homes that surprise surprise won't be affordable for most working people.
Millwall Community Trust like our trust do excellent work. They support and help the young, the elderly and the disadvantaged. The Millwall Trust saved Lewisham council £7.5million last year but are now being thrown under the bus by the council. With this cruel and nasty government we have whose policy of decimating public services through needless austerity, these trusts have become more and more invaluable to people who need help and support. The worse thing about this, is that Lewisham council is a labour run council and some of the councillors have links to the private firm buying the land. You can't claim to be the party of anti auesterity if you're allowing your council to act like Tories.
This. Our community trust wins awards nearly every year and has done for the last 25 years. Putting aside what you think of our fans, this whole thing is rotten to the core.
But it seems to me as an outsider that it is being suggested that the only way to save your community trust is the Millwall owners development plan?
What have you done as a supporters to engage with the council to look at alternatives? Have you set up an independent protest group? Have you contacted the developers to discuss what they could do in return for your support? What exactly have 'you' done to save it? How many meetings so far? What were the outcomes? Who is the activist's spokesman? Have you been raising any money for your campaign? What is the group called? Have you published your aims and what are they? What leaflets/ posters have you produced?
Quite frankly I would expect all of the above and more as it is what the public do in this country if they feel passionately about something.
Again as an outsider, it seems to me as it is your owner is doing all the running. Happy to be put right on all this.
Don't give them ideas mate!
I don't think ideas flourish much at the Den mate. Add to that the lazy, can't be bothered attitude they showed over the Olympic stadium issue and I am afraid they will just sink back into their "no one likes us" poor little us mentality and kick the shit out of the next small bloke they see.
What people are forgetting is that the land that hosts the excellent Millwall Community Trust is being sold off to an offshore based private developer to build homes that surprise surprise won't be affordable for most working people.
Millwall Community Trust like our trust do excellent work. They support and help the young, the elderly and the disadvantaged. The Millwall Trust saved Lewisham council £7.5million last year but are now being thrown under the bus by the council. With this cruel and nasty government we have whose policy of decimating public services through needless austerity, these trusts have become more and more invaluable to people who need help and support. The worse thing about this, is that Lewisham council is a labour run council and some of the councillors have links to the private firm buying the land. You can't claim to be the party of anti auesterity if you're allowing your council to act like Tories.
I'm sorry that's all irrelevent.
The Millwall Trust it is true will lose its offices. Rented from Lewisham Borough. They relocate and continue to do the very good work that they undoubtedly do. The Trust do not need to be located at The Den. They are not part of the club and can remain associated by name just as they are now wherever in the borough they re locate to.
What people are forgetting is that the land that hosts the excellent Millwall Community Trust is being sold off to an offshore based private developer to build homes that surprise surprise won't be affordable for most working people.
Millwall Community Trust like our trust do excellent work. They support and help the young, the elderly and the disadvantaged. The Millwall Trust saved Lewisham council £7.5million last year but are now being thrown under the bus by the council. With this cruel and nasty government we have whose policy of decimating public services through needless austerity, these trusts have become more and more invaluable to people who need help and support. The worse thing about this, is that Lewisham council is a labour run council and some of the councillors have links to the private firm buying the land. You can't claim to be the party of anti auesterity if you're allowing your council to act like Tories.
I'm sorry that's all irrelevent.
The Millwall Trust it is true will lose its offices. Rented from Lewisham Borough. They relocate and continue to do the very good work that they undoubtedly do. The Trust do not need to be located at The Den. They are not part of the club and can remain associated by name just as they are now wherever in the borough they re locate to.
'Concerns are also raised about the small amount of affordable and social housing planned by developer, Renewal, and the fact the proposed new Surrey Canal Road overground station will no longer be paid for by the developer, as originally proposed, with the costs to be met by the taxpayer.
What people are forgetting is that the land that hosts the excellent Millwall Community Trust is being sold off to an offshore based private developer to build homes that surprise surprise won't be affordable for most working people.
Millwall Community Trust like our trust do excellent work. They support and help the young, the elderly and the disadvantaged. The Millwall Trust saved Lewisham council £7.5million last year but are now being thrown under the bus by the council. With this cruel and nasty government we have whose policy of decimating public services through needless austerity, these trusts have become more and more invaluable to people who need help and support. The worse thing about this, is that Lewisham council is a labour run council and some of the councillors have links to the private firm buying the land. You can't claim to be the party of anti auesterity if you're allowing your council to act like Tories.
I'm sorry that's all irrelevent.
The Millwall Trust it is true will lose its offices. Rented from Lewisham Borough. They relocate and continue to do the very good work that they undoubtedly do. The Trust do not need to be located at The Den. They are not part of the club and can remain associated by name just as they are now wherever in the borough they re locate to.
Wonder how you'll feel when this happens to us?
You got an eye on one of the new flats?
What sites does cact rent from the council? I thought they are based at sparrows lane and carry out their work at a number of sites.
'Concerns are also raised about the small amount of affordable and social housing planned by developer, Renewal, and the fact the proposed new Surrey Canal Road overground station will no longer be paid for by the developer, as originally proposed, with the costs to be met by the taxpayer.
What people are forgetting is that the land that hosts the excellent Millwall Community Trust is being sold off to an offshore based private developer to build homes that surprise surprise won't be affordable for most working people.
Millwall Community Trust like our trust do excellent work. They support and help the young, the elderly and the disadvantaged. The Millwall Trust saved Lewisham council £7.5million last year but are now being thrown under the bus by the council. With this cruel and nasty government we have whose policy of decimating public services through needless austerity, these trusts have become more and more invaluable to people who need help and support. The worse thing about this, is that Lewisham council is a labour run council and some of the councillors have links to the private firm buying the land. You can't claim to be the party of anti auesterity if you're allowing your council to act like Tories.
I'm sorry that's all irrelevent.
The Millwall Trust it is true will lose its offices. Rented from Lewisham Borough. They relocate and continue to do the very good work that they undoubtedly do. The Trust do not need to be located at The Den. They are not part of the club and can remain associated by name just as they are now wherever in the borough they re locate to.
Wonder how you'll feel when this happens to us?
You got an eye on one of the new flats?
If for any reason CACT were to lose its base at the club I feel confident that it is well run enough and valued enough to survive elsewhere in the borough. Like Millwalls Community Trust our award winning Community Trust is independent and not connected to the club. It is a charity. It is connected in name only.
I think you might be confusing the issues surrounding Millwall Football Club and Millwall Community Trust.
I was just trying to get to grips with the Millwall side of the story. I think it has been said on this thread that Berylson is a property developer. But that does not seem to be a fair description of his business interests, which seem to be varied. He was a director of Vision Express for a while in the 90s, for example.
I start to think that perhaps we are a bit suspicious of the Millwall side because the club itself is making all the public running, rather than the fans (per the Valley Party). We the fans resolutely defended Charlton's plans to redevelop the Valley, while being critical of elements of it. Nobody could mistake Airman Brown for a property developer, so the Council and local residents' portrayal of the plan as "crazy" or "monstrous" got no traction in the press.
Several articulate Lifers obviously know much more than I do about Millwall's plans. Are my remarks naive?
I tried to find out a bit, but to be honest it is difficult to understand the motives of anyone who would want to own a football club, let alone Millwall who don't actually own anything of substance. One then can't help concluding that he had an eye on the development opportunities surrounding the ground as these were known at the time. Or was it just coincidence? I would suggest not.
The impact is very small on Millwall IF the development is completed. (See sparrowlane's comments).
I do not think his own plans include the club buying the ground either. It appears that they wish to be given the land that Millwall currently rent to develop it, and then give an income back to the council. I know I keep on banging on about this, but this is not a proposal by Millwall for Millwall. So why should they be given any preference over any other developer? At least the prefered developers actually own a substantial proportion of the land they wish to develop.
If it was just about Millwall and their needs, one can't help but believe that reasonable discussion could not easily solve the question of the car parking spaces and the community centre (see also proposals on the indoor sports and youth centre). At the moment I suspect that he does not want to resolve these issues as he wants to use them for his own political reasons i.e make some money.
Again, do more research, you don't come close to understanding the proposed schemes and are coming to the wrong conclusions.
I was just trying to get to grips with the Millwall side of the story. I think it has been said on this thread that Berylson is a property developer. But that does not seem to be a fair description of his business interests, which seem to be varied. He was a director of Vision Express for a while in the 90s, for example.
I start to think that perhaps we are a bit suspicious of the Millwall side because the club itself is making all the public running, rather than the fans (per the Valley Party). We the fans resolutely defended Charlton's plans to redevelop the Valley, while being critical of elements of it. Nobody could mistake Airman Brown for a property developer, so the Council and local residents' portrayal of the plan as "crazy" or "monstrous" got no traction in the press.
Several articulate Lifers obviously know much more than I do about Millwall's plans. Are my remarks naive?
I tried to find out a bit, but to be honest it is difficult to understand the motives of anyone who would want to own a football club, let alone Millwall who don't actually own anything of substance. One then can't help concluding that he had an eye on the development opportunities surrounding the ground as these were known at the time. Or was it just coincidence? I would suggest not.
The impact is very small on Millwall IF the development is completed. (See sparrowlane's comments).
I do not think his own plans include the club buying the ground either. It appears that they wish to be given the land that Millwall currently rent to develop it, and then give an income back to the council. I know I keep on banging on about this, but this is not a proposal by Millwall for Millwall. So why should they be given any preference over any other developer? At least the prefered developers actually own a substantial proportion of the land they wish to develop.
If it was just about Millwall and their needs, one can't help but believe that reasonable discussion could not easily solve the question of the car parking spaces and the community centre (see also proposals on the indoor sports and youth centre). At the moment I suspect that he does not want to resolve these issues as he wants to use them for his own political reasons i.e make some money.
Again, do more research, you don't come close to understanding the proposed schemes and are coming to the wrong conclusions.
Great David Squires cartoon, but most councils have unelected chief executives and all have unregulated cabinets - the difference is that Lewisham has an elected mayor, but as a whole most councils, Labour or Tory, are ripe for abuse by the unscrupulous.
The political bandwagon-jumping is getting hilarious, mind.
I was just trying to get to grips with the Millwall side of the story. I think it has been said on this thread that Berylson is a property developer. But that does not seem to be a fair description of his business interests, which seem to be varied. He was a director of Vision Express for a while in the 90s, for example.
I start to think that perhaps we are a bit suspicious of the Millwall side because the club itself is making all the public running, rather than the fans (per the Valley Party). We the fans resolutely defended Charlton's plans to redevelop the Valley, while being critical of elements of it. Nobody could mistake Airman Brown for a property developer, so the Council and local residents' portrayal of the plan as "crazy" or "monstrous" got no traction in the press.
Several articulate Lifers obviously know much more than I do about Millwall's plans. Are my remarks naive?
I tried to find out a bit, but to be honest it is difficult to understand the motives of anyone who would want to own a football club, let alone Millwall who don't actually own anything of substance. One then can't help concluding that he had an eye on the development opportunities surrounding the ground as these were known at the time. Or was it just coincidence? I would suggest not.
The impact is very small on Millwall IF the development is completed. (See sparrowlane's comments).
I do not think his own plans include the club buying the ground either. It appears that they wish to be given the land that Millwall currently rent to develop it, and then give an income back to the council. I know I keep on banging on about this, but this is not a proposal by Millwall for Millwall. So why should they be given any preference over any other developer? At least the prefered developers actually own a substantial proportion of the land they wish to develop.
If it was just about Millwall and their needs, one can't help but believe that reasonable discussion could not easily solve the question of the car parking spaces and the community centre (see also proposals on the indoor sports and youth centre). At the moment I suspect that he does not want to resolve these issues as he wants to use them for his own political reasons i.e make some money.
Again, do more research, you don't come close to understanding the proposed schemes and are coming to the wrong conclusions.
No. You explain it. Without all the bullshit.
The documentation freely available online gives you the explanation you need.
You can read through the Millwall & LBL bullshit and decide who produces the most.
Can't the trust find a different office space/community centre/warehouse or something to run out of?
My sources are telling me that even as we speak Millwall Community Trust are looking at office space in and around Chatham.
Since the CEO of the Spanner Community Trust is none other than Seriously Red's best friend Steve Bradshaw, late of this parish, I expect he has no idea what he is doing or why.
Can't the trust find a different office space/community centre/warehouse or something to run out of?
My sources are telling me that even as we speak Millwall Community Trust are looking at office space in and around Chatham.
Gills will be happy to have them on their doorstep!
It would be very funny though
If Millwall really want to break into the commercial world outside of football then perhaps they could build their new toolbox next to Paramount Studios.
I was just trying to get to grips with the Millwall side of the story. I think it has been said on this thread that Berylson is a property developer. But that does not seem to be a fair description of his business interests, which seem to be varied. He was a director of Vision Express for a while in the 90s, for example.
I start to think that perhaps we are a bit suspicious of the Millwall side because the club itself is making all the public running, rather than the fans (per the Valley Party). We the fans resolutely defended Charlton's plans to redevelop the Valley, while being critical of elements of it. Nobody could mistake Airman Brown for a property developer, so the Council and local residents' portrayal of the plan as "crazy" or "monstrous" got no traction in the press.
Several articulate Lifers obviously know much more than I do about Millwall's plans. Are my remarks naive?
I tried to find out a bit, but to be honest it is difficult to understand the motives of anyone who would want to own a football club, let alone Millwall who don't actually own anything of substance. One then can't help concluding that he had an eye on the development opportunities surrounding the ground as these were known at the time. Or was it just coincidence? I would suggest not.
The impact is very small on Millwall IF the development is completed. (See sparrowlane's comments).
I do not think his own plans include the club buying the ground either. It appears that they wish to be given the land that Millwall currently rent to develop it, and then give an income back to the council. I know I keep on banging on about this, but this is not a proposal by Millwall for Millwall. So why should they be given any preference over any other developer? At least the prefered developers actually own a substantial proportion of the land they wish to develop.
If it was just about Millwall and their needs, one can't help but believe that reasonable discussion could not easily solve the question of the car parking spaces and the community centre (see also proposals on the indoor sports and youth centre). At the moment I suspect that he does not want to resolve these issues as he wants to use them for his own political reasons i.e make some money.
Again, do more research, you don't come close to understanding the proposed schemes and are coming to the wrong conclusions.
No. You explain it. Without all the bullshit.
The documentation freely available online gives you the explanation you need.
You can read through the Millwall & LBL bullshit and decide who produces the most.
There you go again, "Millwall". It's not, is it.
Can't find anything about either proposals that involves the demolishing of the Den, and as others have said, the community centre can relocate.
Did see something about the biggest sports centre and a youth centre.
All good news for your club then. Phew.
Did see something being said about your owners plan gifting the club £5mil a year so you break even. Can there be a better reason for objecting to this plan!
If he has the money to do all this developing, why is he not spending a bit more on players? Very odd.
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Within those last 25 years those fans have shown the local community the 'spirit' of burning cars and rioting before the net had stopped rippling from Stern Johns magical moment.
IMHO, It comes across that the trust is being used like some sort of pawn by your owner, take it away and the trust folds.
Also, if he is allowed to develop the land, wouldn't he also be building on the land that he is moaning about losing?
Did both of them sign the letter?
The Millwall Trust it is true will lose its offices. Rented from Lewisham Borough. They relocate and continue to do the very good work that they undoubtedly do. The Trust do not need to be located at The Den. They are not part of the club and can remain associated by name just as they are now wherever in the borough they re locate to.
Edit : Assiciation of Millwall Supporters
Do one.
You got an eye on one of the new flats?
'Concerns are also raised about the small amount of affordable and social housing planned by developer, Renewal, and the fact the proposed new Surrey Canal Road overground station will no longer be paid for by the developer, as originally proposed, with the costs to be met by the taxpayer.
I thought they are based at sparrows lane and carry out their work at a number of sites.
I think you might be confusing the issues surrounding Millwall Football Club and Millwall Community Trust.
And there's the attitude problem, right there in that tweet.
The political bandwagon-jumping is getting hilarious, mind.
Edit: Ignore that, the offices are being rented from the council!
You can read through the Millwall & LBL bullshit and decide who produces the most.
Mickey Mouse world anybody ?
Can't find anything about either proposals that involves the demolishing of the Den, and as others have said, the community centre can relocate.
Did see something about the biggest sports centre and a youth centre.
All good news for your club then. Phew.
Did see something being said about your owners plan gifting the club £5mil a year so you break even. Can there be a better reason for objecting to this plan!
If he has the money to do all this developing, why is he not spending a bit more on players? Very odd.