So, just for the record, there is absolutely no form of third party ownership going on here, is there?
Not directly no, but Robinson, as a shareholder would have financially benefited by giving games to players on the books of this agency and them consequently getting transfers and new contracts.
Karl Robinson has excitedly talked about Delete Alli since his appointment at Charlton. Maybe there is a reason for his excitement. When questioned in a recent interview Karl grinningly told a reporter 'you know how these things work in football' (or words to that effect), when discussing Lookman who I would say he had no financial interest in at all. Karl is of course excited by the Lookman money going into the training ground, which still awaits full and final planning consent as far as I can tell. I want to be wrong about this, but if we have a player farm it is bad enough, but if our staff benefit individually from player farm churn, like a John Lewis employee, then the aim is not going to be team success on the pitch is it? The aim will be to massage player stats. A player can have brilliant personal stats in a 0-5 defeat.
A lot of Dowie's signings were with the same agent. Just a coincidence I'm sure. The family of a now departed head of the Academy were agents. Just a coincidence I'm sure.
Slightly different as they cannot put them in the shop window first team regardless of how deserving they are of a place in the team
but they can decide whether to offer them new contracts or not/tell the first team manager how good they are.
A huge conflict of interest if correct.
I agree Henry, but the contracts the youngsters would be getting wouldn't be anywhere near what they'd get for being an "integral" part of the managers first team.
Isn't it just an alternative way of an agent giving the manager a bung for facilitating the transfer, slightly more sophisticated than giving it to the manager's dog called Rosie.
Robinson talking about Ali has nothing to do with this. Robinson is a talker and lets be honest nearly all football people in this country would have spoke about Ali in the last month, he's by far the biggest star English football has at the moment.
I'd be interested to know if other MK players were signed up with that agency. There could well have been but they flopped. I certainly don't trust Robinson but it seems Roland and Meire do.
Share Holder Name Voting Percentage Robert David Segal 60 % Karen Mandy Segal 14 % Stephen James Carr 5 % David Michael Bentley 5 % Emma Alexander 3 % Jonathan Orr 3 % Paul William Robinson 3 % Jordan Elliot Segal 2 % Rebecca Robinson 2 % Karl Robinson 1 % Otis Roberts 1 % Phil Korklin 1 %
Robinson is quite a common name but there are two others on the list. is 'Our Karl' married?
I think I read somewhere in the past that Duchatelet will not deal with agents. Why should he when they threaten to reduce his slice of the transfer fee cake? He is happy to receive 100% and thereafter consider how little he can dribble back into his clubs to keep the wheels oiled just enough to maintain his farming ambitions. He is not motivated by results, only by money.
Good luck KR but I do not see you getting rich here.
Share Holder Name Voting Percentage Robert David Segal 60 % Karen Mandy Segal 14 % Stephen James Carr 5 % David Michael Bentley 5 % Emma Alexander 3 % Jonathan Orr 3 % Paul William Robinson 3 % Jordan Elliot Segal 2 % Rebecca Robinson 2 % Karl Robinson 1 % Otis Roberts 1 % Phil Korklin 1 %
Robinson is quite a common name but there are two others on the list. is 'Our Karl' married?
Share Holder Name Voting Percentage Robert David Segal 60 % Karen Mandy Segal 14 % Stephen James Carr 5 % David Michael Bentley 5 % Emma Alexander 3 % Jonathan Orr 3 % Paul William Robinson 3 % Jordan Elliot Segal 2 % Rebecca Robinson 2 % Karl Robinson 1 % Otis Roberts 1 % Phil Korklin 1 %
Robinson is quite a common name but there are two others on the list. is 'Our Karl' married?
Rebecca Robinson is married to Paul Robinson (the old Tottenham goalkeeper)
So, just for the record, there is absolutely no form of third party ownership going on here, is there?
Not directly no, but Robinson, as a shareholder would have financially benefited by giving games to players on the books of this agency and them consequently getting transfers and new contracts.
Except he didn't have any shares in the company until after DA was transferred to Spurs. Even then his holding is 1% so his dividend will be a 60th of the amount the controlling shareholder receives.
The tax investigation was before 2012 and related to earlier years' accounts and questions over the legitimacy of costs for corporation tax purposes. I work in the industry and the fact the dispute remains unresolved is not remotely surprising. The fact that HMRC has moved to enforce collection without resolution, or indeed seeking prosecution for malfeasance, is also unsurprisingly idiotic and heavy handed. Administration is a means of protecting the company from being unnecessarily financially ruined. A judge, who needs to know nothing about tax, would likely rule in favour of HMRC, without them having established the legitmacy of the tax bill, rendering the company insolvent at a stroke. Segal is duty bound as director to protect the company. Putting it in to administration prevents HMRC (or anyone else) winding the company up to get a tax bill paid, when the tax bill itself remains in dispute.
The crime here is that HMRC is pissing away your & my tax £'s in failing to administer the tax system properly or in many cases fairly. The daily fail, of course, prints a few facts already in the public domain and unleashes a shitstorm of innuendo half truth and speculation, while pretending that it's journalism. They haven't actually uncovered any wrongdoing cos that would involve effort and integrity. If anyone involved at ISM is ever found culpable for any transgressions then there might be a story.
Whether the FA's rules in this area are adequate maybe is a story.
The fact that HMRC has been cut back way beyond the point that it is fit for purpose is definitely a story in the public interest.
I'll declare an interest: I don't like KR. And I'm not about to defend him just cos he's Charlton manager but this is just so much chip paper. We've got bigger fish to fry
So, just for the record, there is absolutely no form of third party ownership going on here, is there?
Not directly no, but Robinson, as a shareholder would have financially benefited by giving games to players on the books of this agency and them consequently getting transfers and new contracts.
Except he didn't have any shares in the company until after DA was transferred to Spurs. Even then his holding is 1% so his dividend will be a 60th of the amount the controlling shareholder receives.
The tax investigation was before 2012 and related to earlier years' accounts and questions over the legitimacy of costs for corporation tax purposes. I work in the industry and the fact the dispute remains unresolved is not remotely surprising. The fact that HMRC has moved to enforce collection without resolution, or indeed seeking prosecution for malfeasance, is also unsurprisingly idiotic and heavy handed. Administration is a means of protecting the company from being unnecessarily financially ruined. A judge, who needs to know nothing about tax, would likely rule in favour of HMRC, without them having established the legitmacy of the tax bill, rendering the company insolvent at a stroke. Segal is duty bound as director to protect the company. Putting it in to administration prevents HMRC (or anyone else) winding the company up to get a tax bill paid, when the tax bill itself remains in dispute.
The crime here is that HMRC is pissing away your & my tax £'s in failing to administer the tax system properly or in many cases fairly. The daily fail, of course, prints a few facts already in the public domain and unleashes a shitstorm of innuendo half truth and speculation, while pretending that it's journalism. They haven't actually uncovered any wrongdoing cos that would involve effort and integrity. If anyone involved at ISM is ever found culpable for any transgressions then there might be a story.
Whether the FA's rules in this area are adequate maybe is a story.
The fact that HMRC has been cut back way beyond the point that it is fit for purpose is definitely a story in the public interest.
I'll declare an interest: I don't like KR. And I'm not about to defend him just cos he's Charlton manager but this is just so much chip paper. We've got bigger fish to fry
So, just for the record, there is absolutely no form of third party ownership going on here, is there?
Not directly no, but Robinson, as a shareholder would have financially benefited by giving games to players on the books of this agency and them consequently getting transfers and new contracts.
Except he didn't have any shares in the company until after DA was transferred to Spurs. Even then his holding is 1% so his dividend will be a 60th of the amount the controlling shareholder receives.
The tax investigation was before 2012 and related to earlier years' accounts and questions over the legitimacy of costs for corporation tax purposes. I work in the industry and the fact the dispute remains unresolved is not remotely surprising. The fact that HMRC has moved to enforce collection without resolution, or indeed seeking prosecution for malfeasance, is also unsurprisingly idiotic and heavy handed. Administration is a means of protecting the company from being unnecessarily financially ruined. A judge, who needs to know nothing about tax, would likely rule in favour of HMRC, without them having established the legitmacy of the tax bill, rendering the company insolvent at a stroke. Segal is duty bound as director to protect the company. Putting it in to administration prevents HMRC (or anyone else) winding the company up to get a tax bill paid, when the tax bill itself remains in dispute.
The crime here is that HMRC is pissing away your & my tax £'s in failing to administer the tax system properly or in many cases fairly. The daily fail, of course, prints a few facts already in the public domain and unleashes a shitstorm of innuendo half truth and speculation, while pretending that it's journalism. They haven't actually uncovered any wrongdoing cos that would involve effort and integrity. If anyone involved at ISM is ever found culpable for any transgressions then there might be a story.
Whether the FA's rules in this area are adequate maybe is a story.
The fact that HMRC has been cut back way beyond the point that it is fit for purpose is definitely a story in the public interest.
I'll declare an interest: I don't like KR. And I'm not about to defend him just cos he's Charlton manager but this is just so much chip paper. We've got bigger fish to fry
Is that fact?
He wasn't listed in the January but was in the July (Alli sold in February )
Now that doesn't actually tell us when he became a share holder just that he did sometime between the two dates that the company released a list of shareholders
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Maybe there is a reason for his excitement.
When questioned in a recent interview Karl grinningly told a reporter 'you know how these things work in football' (or words to that effect), when discussing Lookman who I would say he had no financial interest in at all.
Karl is of course excited by the Lookman money going into the training ground, which still awaits full and final planning consent as far as I can tell.
I want to be wrong about this, but if we have a player farm it is bad enough, but if our staff benefit individually from player farm churn, like a John Lewis employee, then the aim is not going to be team success on the pitch is it? The aim will be to massage player stats. A player can have brilliant personal stats in a 0-5 defeat.
Sorry sweary head on but this is all very very shady.
I'd hope I'm bigger than to let my feelings about the club at the time of his arrival cloud my judgement of him, but I really haven't warmed to him.
His reputation within the game of basically being a bit of a dickhead has, to me, proved to be correct.
Aribo straight into the side when Robinson comes in and then is labelled as "the next Dele Alli"...
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/rules-of-the-association
'Third party interest'
Are there any other players who moved from MK Dons to the premier league while KR was boss (not counting loans)?
The only other departure that was really notable seems to be Sam Baldock to West Ham (when they were in the championship) for £2.3m
Share Holder Name Voting Percentage
Robert David Segal 60 %
Karen Mandy Segal 14 %
Stephen James Carr 5 %
David Michael Bentley 5 %
Emma Alexander 3 %
Jonathan Orr 3 %
Paul William Robinson 3 %
Jordan Elliot Segal 2 %
Rebecca Robinson 2 %
Karl Robinson 1 %
Otis Roberts 1 %
Phil Korklin 1 %
Robinson is quite a common name but there are two others on the list. is 'Our Karl' married?
Good luck KR but I do not see you getting rich here.
The tax investigation was before 2012 and related to earlier years' accounts and questions over the legitimacy of costs for corporation tax purposes. I work in the industry and the fact the dispute remains unresolved is not remotely surprising. The fact that HMRC has moved to enforce collection without resolution, or indeed seeking prosecution for malfeasance, is also unsurprisingly idiotic and heavy handed.
Administration is a means of protecting the company from being unnecessarily financially ruined. A judge, who needs to know nothing about tax, would likely rule in favour of HMRC, without them having established the legitmacy of the tax bill, rendering the company insolvent at a stroke. Segal is duty bound as director to protect the company. Putting it in to administration prevents HMRC (or anyone else) winding the company up to get a tax bill paid, when the tax bill itself remains in dispute.
The crime here is that HMRC is pissing away your & my tax £'s in failing to administer the tax system properly or in many cases fairly.
The daily fail, of course, prints a few facts already in the public domain and unleashes a shitstorm of innuendo half truth and speculation, while pretending that it's journalism. They haven't actually uncovered any wrongdoing cos that would involve effort and integrity.
If anyone involved at ISM is ever found culpable for any transgressions then there might be a story.
Whether the FA's rules in this area are adequate maybe is a story.
The fact that HMRC has been cut back way beyond the point that it is fit for purpose is definitely a story in the public interest.
I'll declare an interest: I don't like KR. And I'm not about to defend him just cos he's Charlton manager but this is just so much chip paper. We've got bigger fish to fry
Now that doesn't actually tell us when he became a share holder just that he did sometime between the two dates that the company released a list of shareholders
" Please can you clarify for us what financial stake or incentives Karl Robinson has relating to the sale of Charlton players".