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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Elgar out then also De Kock shortly after
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    happyvalley said:

    MrOneLung said:

    Have a coon toss for first match of the series then alternate maybe?

    Too racist.
    To be fair he had just put his Fred Perry shirt on before posting.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    edited July 2017
    The_President said:

    The more i think about it, i cant see any logic for 6 bowlers. I remember it wasnt that long ago we used to play with 4 bowlers, plus Colly as 5th dobber.

    Who would you drop? Assuming woakes will walk back in when fit for wood, Dawson out for a batsman at 6 with stokes 7 and Ali at 8. How about the guy Surrey got from Durham (not stoneman) the part time leg spinner
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable.
    I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of.
    Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers.
    Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy
    Now, that looks much better in my eyes.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Root has to bat at 3.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited July 2017
    bolloxbolder said:

    Root has to bat at 3.

    Yeah, had that feeling when re-reading the batting list, and maybe they all get bumped up with maybe Stoneman at 6 - only problem is that Root,apparently, wants to bat at 4 - and that may be Roots decision to bring back Ballance at 3
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,652
    The_President said:

    bolloxbolder said:

    Root has to bat at 3.

    Yeah, had that feeling when re-reading the batting list, and maybe they all get bumped up with maybe Stoneman at 6 - only problem is that Root,apparently, wants to bat at 4 - and that may be Roots decision to bring back Ballance at 3
    If Hameed comes back in he could play 3 or perhaps open and allow Jennings to drop down a place.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    cafcfan1990 said:

    sillav nitram said:

    That doesn't mean it doesn't matter

    You said that doesn't matter as captains make mistakes.

    No I didn't say that,someone said that if Root had won the toss, he would have bowled, it's then not the same and probably he would have made a mistake.

    Thats exactly what you said. The toss in this particular match has had no impact on the result.
    I was referring in general that the toss, does matter.
  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,196
    We need a right-handed batsmen in the top 3, SA bowlers built up a good rhythm yesterday as the top 3 were all lefties.
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,234
    So now that the saffers are so far in front with only 3 wickets down, why are england still trying to get them out when it is in their interest for them to bat as long as possible to minimise the time England will have to try to at bat the fourth innings? If you get my drift.
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  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Just can't watch it when it's an inevitable defeat. Come on Federer!
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I hate watching Amla bat - he's so boring. I *almost* turned to the tennis, but thought , no , its not that bad.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    edited July 2017
    Oh well only 472 to get.

    I'm looking forward to more fine batting performances from Cook, Jennings, Ballance, Stokes and Broad.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    Ballance will bat for two days for ten.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    The Ballance bashing is getting a bit boring now.
    After all, he has a strike rate higher than Cooks and a Test average approaching 40.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    I hope I'm wrong but I think this test will finish tomorrow.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    blackpool72 said:

    I hope I'm wrong but I think this test will finish tomorrow.

    yep, can see them ripping through and getting 4 down in first session.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    edited July 2017
    The_President said:

    I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable.
    I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of.
    Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers.
    Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy
    Now, that looks much better in my eyes.

    Think you're pretty close with that side I reckon it'll be Jennings 3 with Rocky to open. Woakes Broad Jimmy and Wood will rotate. I would have Foakes at 7 not Buttler. Allow Bairstow to focus on his batting as him and root are key to our side. He is far and away the best keeper in the country, with a batting order that has Woakes at 9 we can afford to play him even if he wouldn't get in for his batting alone. His keeping will save more runs than his batting may cost us. Besides he is actually a very good 4 day batsman his first class record is better than Buttler's.

    I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    cantersaddick said:

    The_President said:

    I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable.
    I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of.
    Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers.
    Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy
    Now, that looks much better in my eyes.

    Think you're pretty close with that side I reckon it'll be Jennings 3 with Rocky to open. Woakes Broad Jimmy and Wood will rotate. I would have Foakes at 7 not Buttler. Allow Bairstow to focus on his batting as him and root are key to our side. He is far and away the best keeper in the country, with a batting order that has Woakes at 9 we can afford to play him even if he wouldn't get in for his batting alone. His keeping will save more runs than his batting may cost us. Besides he is actually a very good 4 day batsman his first class record is better than Buttler's.

    I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
    Not sure why you think Jennings should get another go, unless of course, he scores a triple century and saves the day.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,626
    sillav nitram said:

    cantersaddick said:

    The_President said:

    I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable.
    I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of.
    Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers.
    Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy
    Now, that looks much better in my eyes.

    Think you're pretty close with that side I reckon it'll be Jennings 3 with Rocky to open. Woakes Broad Jimmy and Wood will rotate. I would have Foakes at 7 not Buttler. Allow Bairstow to focus on his batting as him and root are key to our side. He is far and away the best keeper in the country, with a batting order that has Woakes at 9 we can afford to play him even if he wouldn't get in for his batting alone. His keeping will save more runs than his batting may cost us. Besides he is actually a very good 4 day batsman his first class record is better than Buttler's.

    I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
    Not sure why you think Jennings should get another go, unless of course, he scores a triple century and saves the day.
    Although I'm not a big advocate of dropping players willy nilly I do think the trio of Jennings, Dawson & Wood are just not good enough for Test cricket. As said earlier, I don't think we need 6 bowlers & once Woakes is back all we need is Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Stokes & Ali - Root can always fill in with a few overs if needs be. Not sure who should also come in (I'm not up with the County scene) but Stoneman looked pretty handy in the limited over games I've seen

    As Beefy often says, a bowler only needs I bad test & he's dropped but a batsmen seems to get the proverbial 9 lives. I think its time Jennings goes and a new opener (and a No3) are introduced so Root can bat at 4.
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Our batting has been poor for a while. At the top of the order we've struggled to find an appropriate partner for Cook, someone who's more aggressive, but isn't a white ball only player like Hales.

    Wood seems to fade after a few matches, he's not someone who seems to cope very well with back to back Test matches?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    Wood has had his fitness and injury issues but he certainly good enough for test cricket. I see him as the natural leader of our attack once Jimmy and Broady retire.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    It's test match cricket they don't have to be aggressive and score quickly .
    Great we scored at 4 an over in our first innings and SA scored at less than 3.5 an over fffs
    Score at 3 an over without the expansive shots and cherish our wickets and score more runs at a slower pace .
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Wood def a Test match player, just short on form at moment.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    One of the things about this series is the true emergence of Philander as a all-rounder , been their outstanding player by far.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    Wood not good enough for Test cricket, are you mad. I would not make wholesale changes. Woakes has to come in for Dawson, when fit. I would stick with Jennings for now and I would replace Ballance with Stoneman.

  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    After watching Philander bowl Jennings, I would replace him.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    2 of the top 3 have technical issues. Then after Root we have a series of attacking all rounders...not the sort of batting lineup to bat out 2 days
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    dickplumb said:

    Wood not good enough for Test cricket, are you mad. I would not make wholesale changes. Woakes has to come in for Dawson, when fit. I would stick with Jennings for now and I would replace Ballance with Stoneman.

    Still means you are playing with 6 bowlers, which doesn't sit right for me - we clearly need to bolster the batting, and remove Dawson for Woakes, and then drop Wood for a batter to let him get back to some form with Durham.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Although just reading that they don't believe Woakes will be back til Windies series

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