The more i think about it, i cant see any logic for 6 bowlers. I remember it wasnt that long ago we used to play with 4 bowlers, plus Colly as 5th dobber.
Who would you drop? Assuming woakes will walk back in when fit for wood, Dawson out for a batsman at 6 with stokes 7 and Ali at 8. How about the guy Surrey got from Durham (not stoneman) the part time leg spinner
I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable. I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of. Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers. Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy Now, that looks much better in my eyes.
Yeah, had that feeling when re-reading the batting list, and maybe they all get bumped up with maybe Stoneman at 6 - only problem is that Root,apparently, wants to bat at 4 - and that may be Roots decision to bring back Ballance at 3
Yeah, had that feeling when re-reading the batting list, and maybe they all get bumped up with maybe Stoneman at 6 - only problem is that Root,apparently, wants to bat at 4 - and that may be Roots decision to bring back Ballance at 3
If Hameed comes back in he could play 3 or perhaps open and allow Jennings to drop down a place.
You said that doesn't matter as captains make mistakes.
No I didn't say that,someone said that if Root had won the toss, he would have bowled, it's then not the same and probably he would have made a mistake.
Thats exactly what you said. The toss in this particular match has had no impact on the result.
I was referring in general that the toss, does matter.
So now that the saffers are so far in front with only 3 wickets down, why are england still trying to get them out when it is in their interest for them to bat as long as possible to minimise the time England will have to try to at bat the fourth innings? If you get my drift.
I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable. I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of. Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers. Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy Now, that looks much better in my eyes.
Think you're pretty close with that side I reckon it'll be Jennings 3 with Rocky to open. Woakes Broad Jimmy and Wood will rotate. I would have Foakes at 7 not Buttler. Allow Bairstow to focus on his batting as him and root are key to our side. He is far and away the best keeper in the country, with a batting order that has Woakes at 9 we can afford to play him even if he wouldn't get in for his batting alone. His keeping will save more runs than his batting may cost us. Besides he is actually a very good 4 day batsman his first class record is better than Buttler's.
I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable. I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of. Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers. Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy Now, that looks much better in my eyes.
Think you're pretty close with that side I reckon it'll be Jennings 3 with Rocky to open. Woakes Broad Jimmy and Wood will rotate. I would have Foakes at 7 not Buttler. Allow Bairstow to focus on his batting as him and root are key to our side. He is far and away the best keeper in the country, with a batting order that has Woakes at 9 we can afford to play him even if he wouldn't get in for his batting alone. His keeping will save more runs than his batting may cost us. Besides he is actually a very good 4 day batsman his first class record is better than Buttler's.
I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
Not sure why you think Jennings should get another go, unless of course, he scores a triple century and saves the day.
I think Ballance,Wood and Dawson are looking vulnerable. I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of. Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers. Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy Now, that looks much better in my eyes.
Think you're pretty close with that side I reckon it'll be Jennings 3 with Rocky to open. Woakes Broad Jimmy and Wood will rotate. I would have Foakes at 7 not Buttler. Allow Bairstow to focus on his batting as him and root are key to our side. He is far and away the best keeper in the country, with a batting order that has Woakes at 9 we can afford to play him even if he wouldn't get in for his batting alone. His keeping will save more runs than his batting may cost us. Besides he is actually a very good 4 day batsman his first class record is better than Buttler's.
I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
Not sure why you think Jennings should get another go, unless of course, he scores a triple century and saves the day.
Although I'm not a big advocate of dropping players willy nilly I do think the trio of Jennings, Dawson & Wood are just not good enough for Test cricket. As said earlier, I don't think we need 6 bowlers & once Woakes is back all we need is Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Stokes & Ali - Root can always fill in with a few overs if needs be. Not sure who should also come in (I'm not up with the County scene) but Stoneman looked pretty handy in the limited over games I've seen
As Beefy often says, a bowler only needs I bad test & he's dropped but a batsmen seems to get the proverbial 9 lives. I think its time Jennings goes and a new opener (and a No3) are introduced so Root can bat at 4.
Our batting has been poor for a while. At the top of the order we've struggled to find an appropriate partner for Cook, someone who's more aggressive, but isn't a white ball only player like Hales.
Wood seems to fade after a few matches, he's not someone who seems to cope very well with back to back Test matches?
Wood has had his fitness and injury issues but he certainly good enough for test cricket. I see him as the natural leader of our attack once Jimmy and Broady retire.
It's test match cricket they don't have to be aggressive and score quickly . Great we scored at 4 an over in our first innings and SA scored at less than 3.5 an over fffs Score at 3 an over without the expansive shots and cherish our wickets and score more runs at a slower pace .
Wood not good enough for Test cricket, are you mad. I would not make wholesale changes. Woakes has to come in for Dawson, when fit. I would stick with Jennings for now and I would replace Ballance with Stoneman.
Wood not good enough for Test cricket, are you mad. I would not make wholesale changes. Woakes has to come in for Dawson, when fit. I would stick with Jennings for now and I would replace Ballance with Stoneman.
Still means you are playing with 6 bowlers, which doesn't sit right for me - we clearly need to bolster the batting, and remove Dawson for Woakes, and then drop Wood for a batter to let him get back to some form with Durham.
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I think that Stoneman should come in - def not Borthwick who is the guy you are thinking of.
Woakes will come in, and bat at 9, so from a short batting line-up will go to Woakes at 9 , with 5 bowlers.
Other player in, hmmmm, not sure, tbh , maybe Buttler to return as bat only.. would make a batting lineup of Cook,Jennings,Stoneman,Root,Bairstow,Stokes,Buttler,Ali,Woakes,Broad,Jimmy
Now, that looks much better in my eyes.
I'm looking forward to more fine batting performances from Cook, Jennings, Ballance, Stokes and Broad.
After all, he has a strike rate higher than Cooks and a Test average approaching 40.
I see why people are saying Root must bat 3 but for me if we want to get the best out of him he has to bat 4. Especially now he is captain we want to take that extra pressure off him and bat him where he is most comfortable in scoring loads of runs.
As Beefy often says, a bowler only needs I bad test & he's dropped but a batsmen seems to get the proverbial 9 lives. I think its time Jennings goes and a new opener (and a No3) are introduced so Root can bat at 4.
Wood seems to fade after a few matches, he's not someone who seems to cope very well with back to back Test matches?
Great we scored at 4 an over in our first innings and SA scored at less than 3.5 an over fffs
Score at 3 an over without the expansive shots and cherish our wickets and score more runs at a slower pace .