I don't like the idea of the Aussies, something ain't right.
I agree that something isn't right but not convinced it's the Aussies.
It might be them but if so why did all the other parties walk away?
And who does all this briefing against the Aussies suit?
Only Roland and Murray.
Maybe the other parties walked away because they see that Charlton is, essentially, a money pit and the chances of it paying off are incredibly slim. The Australians might be rich/stupid/ignorant enough to roll those dice but the longer this drags on the less the former seems likely.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
Grossly inadequate, ineffective, dim-witted owner speculating that there might be other bidders, while flogging assets, driving down the value of the club and failing to secure clean title on the club, more than four years after buying it, having done too little due diligence in order to save money.
And it's the Aussies' fault the deal's not been completed?
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
So you’d rather they had given up after what, a week, a month, six months? Based on your idea of what proper business savvy is all about?
Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn’t. But if they had where would you be now? Enjoying Roland’s fire sale? Waiting for some Brits to scrape together the thirty or forty million required to buy out Roly, so they too can run the club on a shoestring budget? Again, your last bit suggests they’re up to no good. What do you think they’re after? And where’s your evidence?
This deal has always been about the price, Roland never understood the Ex Directors loans needed clearing if he was going to find a real buyer. Until he pays them off no buyer with a Business brain will buy the Club. Aussies as has been mentioned before do not have funds. Over to you Roland.
All three, price has never included Directors Loans from Roland's perspective, but buyers want the charges removed and so that is a reduction in price to Roland,thus stalemate. Aussies apparently from multiple sources are cash short .
Bollox. The loans were to the holding company with a repayment on reaching the Prem (Baton?) or else Murray would have his money now. Staprix bought Baton and are now selling it. RM gets his money when we are in the Prem unless someone stupidy repays him earlier. This is not a hurdle to the Ozzies. £7m to their £150m business plan or Prem gravy train is change at the back of the sofa.
They can sell Baton, Holdings but Charges still there , not a hurdle to Aussies so why have they not done it? Why have they never spoken to Ex Directors? So i suggest Bollox is not my problem.
Make your mind up.
First it was Duchatelet who wouldn't pay it off but know your asking why the Aussies haven't paid it.
As usual you pose more questions than you give answers.
No i dont , keep up , Roland not paying so buyer has to, whats hard to understand about that. Aussies, Spacemen, Saudis who the hell ever, have you got it now? I am not posting anymore as its likeceducating children. Bye abuse me at your will Henry.
Dave.....please don’t stop posting, your posts to this forum and this thread in particular are vital. Don’t allow a ‘certain someone’ to drive you away........that would be tragic and I’m sure you can give as good as you get if push comes to shove in the debating/argument stakes......should that be necessary. You are one of the few on here who have ‘some’ genuine first hand knowledge of what’s taking place and I for one would like to thank you for sharing that info with us. Kindly reconsider your position Dave and continue to post.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
There’s nothing dodgy going on, not from the Aussie side anyway. If there’s a niff in the air, and I suspect there is, it’s coming from a different direction.
There's no way you can know that, all you know is what you're told. People lie.
This deal has always been about the price, Roland never understood the Ex Directors loans needed clearing if he was going to find a real buyer. Until he pays them off no buyer with a Business brain will buy the Club. Aussies as has been mentioned before do not have funds. Over to you Roland.
All three, price has never included Directors Loans from Roland's perspective, but buyers want the charges removed and so that is a reduction in price to Roland,thus stalemate. Aussies apparently from multiple sources are cash short .
Bollox. The loans were to the holding company with a repayment on reaching the Prem (Baton?) or else Murray would have his money now. Staprix bought Baton and are now selling it. RM gets his money when we are in the Prem unless someone stupidy repays him earlier. This is not a hurdle to the Ozzies. £7m to their £150m business plan or Prem gravy train is change at the back of the sofa.
They can sell Baton, Holdings but Charges still there , not a hurdle to Aussies so why have they not done it? Why have they never spoken to Ex Directors? So i suggest Bollox is not my problem.
Make your mind up.
First it was Duchatelet who wouldn't pay it off but know your asking why the Aussies haven't paid it.
As usual you pose more questions than you give answers.
Any chance you could pay it off? Smooth the wheels of business and all that?
I'd make an offer, but I'd have to withdraw my bid for the Club, and we still need that on the table as a fall back position.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
There’s nothing dodgy going on, not from the Aussie side anyway. If there’s a niff in the air, and I suspect there is, it’s coming from a different direction.
There's no way you can know that, all you know is what you're told. People lie.
I know the bloke very well, and he’s not dodgy. And he speaks very highly of Andrew Muir, who is already known to to be a good guy and a philanthropist. So at least I have some first hand knowledge, which leads me to believe they’re not crooks, whereas those who are starting this ‘the Aussies are dodgy’ / ‘something doesn’t smell right’ campaign know nothing, and at best are doing it based on what *they* are told.
If someone comes up with evidence, fine, but it’s all speculation @Stu_of_Kunming
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
There’s nothing dodgy going on, not from the Aussie side anyway. If there’s a niff in the air, and I suspect there is, it’s coming from a different direction.
There's no way you can know that, all you know is what you're told. People lie.
I know the bloke very well. And he speaks very highly of Andrew Muir, who is already known to to be a good guy and a philanthropist. So at least I have first hand knowledge, whereas those who are starting this ‘the Aussies are dodgy’ / ‘something doesn’t smell right’ campaign know nothing, and at best are doing it based on what *they* are told.
If someone comes up with evidence, fine, but it’s all speculation.
This thread didn't get where it is today by relying on evidence.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
There’s nothing dodgy going on, not from the Aussie side anyway. If there’s a niff in the air, and I suspect there is, it’s coming from a different direction.
There's no way you can know that, all you know is what you're told. People lie.
I know the bloke very well. And he speaks very highly of Andrew Muir, who is already known to to be a good guy and a philanthropist. So at least I have first hand knowledge, whereas those who are starting this ‘the Aussies are dodgy’ / ‘something doesn’t smell right’ campaign know nothing, and at best are doing it based on what *they* are told.
If someone comes up with evidence, fine, but it’s all speculation.
I don’t think people are really suggesting they are dodgy James....just maybe not as pleasing and attractive as we once thought. It’s a curious one as Andrew Muir certainly has the finance to close the deal at the drop of a hat ‘should he so wish’, the thing is he seems to be unwilling to do so as he evidently wants to spread the costs with further investors on board. To say the Aussie consortium don’t have the money has ‘never’ really been the case....they most certainly do, in the figure of Andrew Muir alone, but he clearly is not going to spend it on a highly inflated valuation with some ‘possible’ muddy water in the background to boot.........well, not just yet anyway.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.
Surely they're just the purchaser of the Club, trying to get the best deal they possibly can - just as we all would - and have a position where they are prepared to get to and no further. They don't want to start their 'five year plan' in arrears, before they've even bought the Club.
If the seller isn't prepared to at least attempt to close that gap, whether it's down to the debentures or other factors, then so be it, but the purchaser has done nothing wrong.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.
Yeh - but they're Americans.
So many club sales are to non Brits these days. Not sure that aspect would delay things?
We have gone from a Done Deal in February to not knowing where we are at in July. Muir allegedly has enough money to buy 20 clubs the size of Charlton. Just get on with it ffs.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
You're The only person who has used the term bent.
Speculation is the only thing anyone can post, we all know that.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
Where has anyone said they are bent???
'There's a smell in the air' was one recent comment. 'Dodgy' would be a more commonly used word rather than bent... read through the thread and there are comments here and there that are designed to undermine their bid and make it look like theyre up to something.
All part of the debate though of course, but they're going to be challenged, and they are being, and not just by me.
Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.
I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.
I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.
Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.
What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!
GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.
So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.
Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo. You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes. Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club. Total bollox if you ask me.
The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.
Yeh - but they're Americans.
So many club sales are to non Brits these days. Not sure that aspect would delay things?
Because they're Americans.
They think every foreigner is trying to have them over, because they're the biggest and the best.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
Where has anyone said they are bent???
'There's a smell in the air' was one recent comment. 'Dodgy' would be a more commonly used word rather than bent... read through the thread and there are comments here and there that are designed to undermine their bid and make it look like theyre up to something.
All part of the debate though of course, but they're going to be challenged, and they are being, and not just by me.
I, like many others have been suspicious of the Australian bid for a while now.
If some of the rumours are true then I find their business sense a little bit bewildering. I also believe now they are short of ‘available funds’if you like.
It takes two to do the deal and we can’t doubt Roland’s part in this but I am not convinced the Aussies are the best thing for us right now, albeit they can’t be worse than Roland.
Let's face facts here, we are near to the start of a new season and the club is in limbo. We have an owner who doesn't want us and a buyer who can't buy us ( for whatever reason). Basically we are stuffed, feel for all us fans, the remaining players and Bowyer. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on except we all know that the squad is far to thin to compete. Sad state of affairs, fuck off Roland and take the rest of the parasites with you.
@JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
Where has anyone said they are bent???
'There's a smell in the air' was one recent comment. 'Dodgy' would be a more commonly used word rather than bent... read through the thread and there are comments here and there that are designed to undermine their bid and make it look like theyre up to something.
All part of the debate though of course, but they're going to be challenged, and they are being, and not just by me.
I, like many others have been suspicious of the Australian bid for a while now.
If some of the rumours are true then I find their business sense a little bit bewildering. I also believe now they are short of ‘available funds’if you like.
It takes two to do the deal and we can’t doubt Roland’s part in this but I am not convinced the Aussies are the best thing for us right now, albeit they can’t be worse than Roland.
What is it about the Australian consortium that makes you think they're not "the best thing for us now"?
Is it because they're diligent, unlike Roland? Or because they don't want to chuck away millions without proper consideration, unlike Roland?
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Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo.
You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes.
Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.
Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club.
Total bollox if you ask me.
And it's the Aussies' fault the deal's not been completed?
Incredible.
Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn’t. But if they had where would you be now? Enjoying Roland’s fire sale? Waiting for some Brits to scrape together the thirty or forty million required to buy out Roly, so they too can run the club on a shoestring budget?
Again, your last bit suggests they’re up to no good. What do you think they’re after? And where’s your evidence?
Don’t allow a ‘certain someone’ to drive you away........that would be tragic and I’m sure you can give as good as you get if push comes to shove in the debating/argument stakes......should that be necessary.
You are one of the few on here who have ‘some’ genuine first hand knowledge of
what’s taking place and I for one would like to thank you for sharing that info with us.
Kindly reconsider your position Dave and continue to post.
You do all know that don’t you
Fuck Roland fuck the Aussies fuck the takeover fuck anyone who wants to do anything except watch the boys bring the World Cup home
I'd make an offer, but I'd have to withdraw my bid for the Club, and we still need that on the table as a fall back position.
So at least I have some first hand knowledge, which leads me to believe they’re not crooks, whereas those who are starting this ‘the Aussies are dodgy’ / ‘something doesn’t smell right’ campaign know nothing, and at best are doing it based on what *they* are told.
If someone comes up with evidence, fine, but it’s all speculation @Stu_of_Kunming
in the real World its coming home
By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.
It’s a curious one as Andrew Muir certainly has the finance to close the deal at the drop of a hat ‘should he so wish’, the thing is he seems to be unwilling to do so as he evidently wants to spread the costs with further investors on board.
To say the Aussie consortium don’t have the money has ‘never’ really been the case....they most certainly do, in the figure of Andrew Muir alone, but he clearly is not going to spend it on a highly inflated valuation with some ‘possible’ muddy water in the background to boot.........well, not just yet anyway.
But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
Yeh - but they're Americans.
Surely they're just the purchaser of the Club, trying to get the best deal they possibly can - just as we all would - and have a position where they are prepared to get to and no further. They don't want to start their 'five year plan' in arrears, before they've even bought the Club.
If the seller isn't prepared to at least attempt to close that gap, whether it's down to the debentures or other factors, then so be it, but the purchaser has done nothing wrong.
So many club sales are to non Brits these days. Not sure that aspect would delay things?
Muir allegedly has enough money to buy 20 clubs the size of Charlton.
Just get on with it ffs.
Speculation is the only thing anyone can post, we all know that.
All part of the debate though of course, but they're going to be challenged, and they are being, and not just by me.
No need to get your knickers in a twist ;-)
Because they're Americans.
They think every foreigner is trying to have them over, because they're the biggest and the best.
If some of the rumours are true then I find their business sense a little bit bewildering. I also believe now they are short of ‘available funds’if you like.
It takes two to do the deal and we can’t doubt Roland’s part in this but I am not convinced the Aussies are the best thing for us right now, albeit they can’t be worse than Roland.
We have an owner who doesn't want us and a buyer who can't buy us ( for whatever reason).
Basically we are stuffed, feel for all us fans, the remaining players and Bowyer.
Nobody knows what the fuck is going on except we all know that the squad is far to thin to compete.
Sad state of affairs, fuck off Roland and take the rest of the parasites with you.
Is it because they're diligent, unlike Roland? Or because they don't want to chuck away millions without proper consideration, unlike Roland?