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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • The only way to see him gone is to outlive him.
    All you youngsters are going to be ok.
    It's us old blokes that are screwed .
    Shitweasel will probably outlive us all.
    Because you certainly are NOT.
  • PeterGage said:
    Gillis said:
    PeterGage said:
    As a boycotter, I rarely watch Charlton these days. I watched the game yesterday on TV and thought they played really well; far better than 3 years ago before I ceased attending. However I find it incomprehensibly that supporters can put money in Roly's pocket at 3pm on a Saturday and then trash him on CL at 1705pm and indeed any other time...just my opinion.
    An opinion you (and others) have aired many, many times before, which inevitably leads to the same debate, with the same entrenched positions.

    I'm not sure it's productive for people on either side of this issue to keep raising it, but people inevitably will. I can't be the only person that's a little tired of it now.
    I guess you are one of those that do give their £25 plus to Roly at 1500hrs and then moan later about the guy - unbelievable 😎
    And you sit at your screen moaning...
  • Addickted said:
    Taxi_Lad said:
    PeterGage said:
    Gillis said:
    PeterGage said:
    As a boycotter, I rarely watch Charlton these days. I watched the game yesterday on TV and thought they played really well; far better than 3 years ago before I ceased attending. However I find it incomprehensibly that supporters can put money in Roly's pocket at 3pm on a Saturday and then trash him on CL at 1705pm and indeed any other time...just my opinion.
    An opinion you (and others) have aired many, many times before, which inevitably leads to the same debate, with the same entrenched positions.

    I'm not sure it's productive for people on either side of this issue to keep raising it, but people inevitably will. I can't be the only person that's a little tired of it now.
    I guess you are one of those that do give their £25 plus to Roly at 1500hrs and then moan later about the guy - unbelievable 😎
    For me what is unbelievable is that you claim to be a Charlton fan who sees boycotting as taking some sort of moral high ground.
    A so called Charlton fan who has not watched “us” for 3 years and after watching this game refers to the team as “them”

    As others have said the discussion of attending or boycotting is beyond tiresome.

    However, Taxi_Lad makes an interesting observation , when he notes that Peter Gage refers to Charlton as they, instead of we, as you would when you are referring to your opponent.

    Unfortunately, after all those years away it looks like the love is going/has gone, which has always been my logic for continuing to attend and support my team.
    I think both you and @Taxi_Lad should appreciate that @PeterGage and his son are very much still addickted, regardless of his moral high ground about attending home games.

    Peter was not only heavily involved and 'colourful' in the initial protests against Duchatalet but he does still attend many away games.


    Good to know Peter still goes to aways. I know he was the fancy dress donkey.
    Peculiar that he refers to Charlton as they. Anyway ......
  • Addickted said:
    Taxi_Lad said:
    PeterGage said:
    Gillis said:
    PeterGage said:
    As a boycotter, I rarely watch Charlton these days. I watched the game yesterday on TV and thought they played really well; far better than 3 years ago before I ceased attending. However I find it incomprehensibly that supporters can put money in Roly's pocket at 3pm on a Saturday and then trash him on CL at 1705pm and indeed any other time...just my opinion.
    An opinion you (and others) have aired many, many times before, which inevitably leads to the same debate, with the same entrenched positions.

    I'm not sure it's productive for people on either side of this issue to keep raising it, but people inevitably will. I can't be the only person that's a little tired of it now.
    I guess you are one of those that do give their £25 plus to Roly at 1500hrs and then moan later about the guy - unbelievable 😎
    For me what is unbelievable is that you claim to be a Charlton fan who sees boycotting as taking some sort of moral high ground.
    A so called Charlton fan who has not watched “us” for 3 years and after watching this game refers to the team as “them”

    As others have said the discussion of attending or boycotting is beyond tiresome.

    However, Taxi_Lad makes an interesting observation , when he notes that Peter Gage refers to Charlton as they, instead of we, as you would when you are referring to your opponent.

    Unfortunately, after all those years away it looks like the love is going/has gone, which has always been my logic for continuing to attend and support my team.
    I think both you and @Taxi_Lad should appreciate that @PeterGage and his son are very much still addickted, regardless of his moral high ground about attending home games.

    Peter was not only heavily involved and 'colourful' in the initial protests against Duchatalet but he does still attend many away games.


    Good to know Peter still goes to aways. I know he was the fancy dress donkey.
    Peculiar that he refers to Charlton as they. Anyway ......
    Well, the Duchatelet regime isn’t exactly ‘us’, I suppose.  I despair of what’s being done to the club I’ve supported for more than 50 years. I’m not sure I’m even boycotting any more. I just don’t want to go. I’d never have believed that could happen.
  • 1575, Siege of Malta begins.
  • So, if Roland is losing £1m a month yet still wants this back, by the end of 2020 the club will be up for sale for £90m!

    RD obviously doesn't undestand the concept of cutting your losses.
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  • Boycotts don't work if you have an owner like Duchatelet who can live with the losses - I think that's pretty clear by now.

    I also don't really get the argument that buying a ticket is somehow lining RD's pocket? The club doesn't run on thin air and I can't see that he's making any money.



  • Davo55 said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I confirmed yesterday that the ex-banker in the Standard is the same party as the one discussed in the Voice. We went to print before the Standard came out, and before I received a tip-off about the story, so the publication sequence is slightly confusing. It’s why the Standard story isn’t referenced. 

    I don’t know why they told the Standard £30m, but I am very confident of what I’ve written.
    Has he offered more then?
    I believe De Turck is playing games when he says the club hasn’t received an “offer” of £35m, because he and RD haven’t enabled the talks to progress to the point where a firm bid can be made.

    I am told it was made clear to them the party was willing and able to pay £35m and take on the £7m directors’ loans, subject to seeing the DD. RD/LDT haven’t engaged fully at those numbers and they have quoted £65m - although that wouldn’t all have to be up front. The party won’t pay that.
    It is amazing to me that anyone is prepared to offer RD the equivalent of £42m for the club.

    It is even more amazing that RD isn't engaging at that price, and seems to be seeking £65m. Which he will never, ever get.

    Now that the would-be buyer has broken cover and we have some numbers, it would be great if the EFL (who have offered to "help" Duchatelet find a buyer) could put some pressure on him to at least negotiate seriously around that number. 
    This. We need yo put pressure on the EFL to seriously "engage" with RD.....and when I say "engage" I mean they actually see him face to face & tell him must sell, or that they wil be putting sanctions in place for running the club without an effective management structure.

    They should commission their own independent valuation of the club......like a sales prospectus......so that EVERYONE knows the true value of the club. It can be in a range of values, but I think we'd all agree it wouldn't be anywhere near £65m.....not likely  £35m either.
  • VOTV mentions an independent valuation of the land and gives figures for that.

    The other assets ie player contracts, league membership and location (is being in London more desirable than Bolton or Wigan for example) are far more difficult to value.
  • edited March 2019
    bobmunro said:
    VOTV mentions an independent valuation of the land and gives figures for that.

    The other assets ie player contracts, league membership and location (is being in London more desirable than Bolton or Wigan for example) are far more difficult to value.
    I haven't seen the VOTV valuation but it should be the value as current use only - i.e. without planning permission for any other use.

    In terms of ongoing operations, the club is losing £10m a year so it could be argued that the value of the players' contracts, league membership and 'goodwill' (in very short supply) is offset by the operational losses - unless potential growth (promotion to PL) is taken into account.

    So club value zero - asset value as a stadium and training ground maybe £20m. A lot more if both sites, especially SL, could be developed, but the chances of that are remote.
    Without going into all the ins and outs of it, the valuation of the land given Is £20m for The Valley and £3m for Sparrows Lane, reflecting their planning status.
  • Who who was the valuer?
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  • edited March 2019
    Layman's guide to takeover.

    23 million value on Valley and Sparrows Lane because of football status.

    8 millions lost over 12 months on running costs of Cafc (estimate has been mentioned 6 to 10 million)

    8 × 5 years of RD tenure= 40 million.

    40 + 23 = 63 million + players values which is low because Aribo is out of Contract plus loan players are just on loan !

    2 million or so value on Taylor + Sarr (under contract 19/20 season) and we have a 65 million price tag in the mind of Roland Duchatelet.

    (7 million ex directors payment is payable on premier status so plenty of wriggle room there)
  • Who who was the valuer?

    Probably some teenage spotty twirp who plays minecraft all day.
    Thomas Driesen must have many strings to his bow.
  • Indian takeover rumour from Sage.  Must be worth five more pages.
    Oh no. This is going to curry on and on now. 
  • bobmunro said:
    bobmunro said:
    VOTV mentions an independent valuation of the land and gives figures for that.

    The other assets ie player contracts, league membership and location (is being in London more desirable than Bolton or Wigan for example) are far more difficult to value.
    I haven't seen the VOTV valuation but it should be the value as current use only - i.e. without planning permission for any other use.

    In terms of ongoing operations, the club is losing £10m a year so it could be argued that the value of the players' contracts, league membership and 'goodwill' (in very short supply) is offset by the operational losses - unless potential growth (promotion to PL) is taken into account.

    So club value zero - asset value as a stadium and training ground maybe £20m. A lot more if both sites, especially SL, could be developed, but the chances of that are remote.
    Without going into all the ins and outs of it, the valuation of the land given Is £20m for The Valley and £3m for Sparrows Lane, reflecting their planning status.

    Then £23m is all the club is worth.
    Would you even say its worth that if it costs 50% of the value to operate every year? 
  • PeterGage said:
    Taxi_Lad said:
    PeterGage said:
    Gillis said:
    PeterGage said:
    As a boycotter, I rarely watch Charlton these days. I watched the game yesterday on TV and thought they played really well; far better than 3 years ago before I ceased attending. However I find it incomprehensibly that supporters can put money in Roly's pocket at 3pm on a Saturday and then trash him on CL at 1705pm and indeed any other time...just my opinion.
    An opinion you (and others) have aired many, many times before, which inevitably leads to the same debate, with the same entrenched positions.

    I'm not sure it's productive for people on either side of this issue to keep raising it, but people inevitably will. I can't be the only person that's a little tired of it now.
    I guess you are one of those that do give their £25 plus to Roly at 1500hrs and then moan later about the guy - unbelievable 😎
    For me what is unbelievable is that you claim to be a Charlton fan who sees boycotting as taking some sort of moral high ground.
    A so called Charlton fan who has not watched “us” for 3 years and after watching this game refers to the team as “them”

    I am not claiming to hold any moral high ground, just simply stating a fact that I cant understand how ppl can put money into Roly's pocket at 3pm on a Saturday and bitch about him for the rest of the week - oxymoron.

    You can put your own definition on the word "supporter". I dont have any need to justify my interpretation.

    Have a good day.
    My view is (and always has been), each to their own.
    Apart that is, from those who do absolutely nothing by way of protesting, some of whom also (to their eternal shame), find it acceptable to criticise those who do.
    IMHO to turn a blind eye and make no effort by way of protest whatsoever is and always has been inexcusable.......to those who have taken that stance I have little or no time for.
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Roland Out Forever!