I try so hard not to bite to posts like this..... But it's always the fault of those nasty Tories. Everything that people don't like about their lives is the Tories fault.
Its always someone else's fault.
Since the start of the second world war we have had approx. 27 years of Labour Government and 50 years of Tory (or Tory led) Government. I know you can prove anything with statistics but they have had roughly twice as long to get things right and they haven't.
They have also been in charge for the last seven years, they need to take responsibility. If it is still Labour's fault then clearly the Tories are not fit to govern as they can't sort things out.
If the young vote could be mobilised, the Conservatives may not have it as easy as it seems...
Aren't there twice as many 65+ than 18-24 year olds? Their voting intention is almost the exact opposite for that demographic. There was an article on the BBC about this.
But it will be interesting to see how this 'dementia tax' plays out in that same demographic. It has been impressive to see how they have marketed what will the biggest wealth redistribution tax ever to the very people most likely to be effected by it and whose vote they take for granted.
Nurses are on a higher wage than the grads starting in our agency... Speaking to someone on our grad scheme today and absolutely none of them are using food banks. Why do we always hear that nurses are using food banks?
Kid has an excellent point, all I've seen her do is slag off Labour and Corbyn, and not demonstrated any form of leadership at all...
Something else to add, why isn't the press hounding for answers about how the Conservatives will pay for their manifesto yet pick at Labour's one even though it has full costings?
Nurses are on a higher wage than the grads starting in our agency... Speaking to someone on our grad scheme today and absolutely none of them are using food banks. Why do we always hear that nurses are using food banks?
It's a good headline.
Is the suggestion here that people are lying? Nurses can't possible be actually using food banks because a few people you talked to aren't?
Nurses are on a higher wage than the grads starting in our agency... Speaking to someone on our grad scheme today and absolutely none of them are using food banks. Why do we always hear that nurses are using food banks?
It's a good headline.
...and 9 people on here believe the rumor despite the evidence to the contrary. (but dont ask them about it ;-) )
If the young vote could be mobilised, the Conservatives may not have it as easy as it seems...
Aren't there twice as many 65+ than 18-24 year olds? Their voting intention is almost the exact opposite for that demographic. There was an article on the BBC about this.
But it will be interesting to see how this 'dementia tax' plays out in that same demographic. It has been impressive to see how they have marketed what will the biggest wealth redistribution tax ever to the very people most likely to be effected by it and whose vote they take for granted.
...going off on a tangent, an Ad agency did a survey recently and found there were more 18 year old men with profiles on Facebook than there are 18 year olds in the world.
Kid has an excellent point, all I've seen her do is slag off Labour and Corbyn, and not demonstrated any form of leadership at all...
Something else to add, why isn't the press hounding for answers about how the Conservatives will pay for their manifesto yet pick at Labour's one even though it has full costings?
why do you think.
we are talking about the tory press. they were bought years ago. if not then the new pledge of stopping the leverson enquiry has surely swayed them.
the ipaper as far as I know mentioned it on Friday and the opinion piece was critical of May.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
I am not lying. While politicians dare not say out it out loud, a large number of British citizens want exactly that. As you perfectly well know, there have been a significant number of Polish people physically assaulted for being Polish. That is what happens when "respectable" politicians adopt anti immigrant rhetoric. Ask any Pole. If you don't know any Poles in Eltham then maybe I can put you in touch with my Mum's cleaning lady. But don't tell her my Mum voted Brexit.After all the Christmas presents she bought my Mum, I think it will break her heart.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
Well they're future isn't guranteed and if May wants to get immigration down to the tens of thousands i doubt they'll be much hope for Polish car washers wanting to move here in the future.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
Plenty of people express exactly that view regularly in my local newspaper's forum.
There was more immigration in the last few years from non-europeans than Poles etc about 180k average. May was in charge. Brexit will lead to closure of Calais border controls. Yet Tory manifesto commits to reduce immigration under 100k. How? Another empty promise. Uncosted.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
Plenty of people express exactly that view regularly in my local newspaper's forum.
Well I've personally not heard it in Bromley and I've never heard anyone say they want Europeans deported. However, there's obviously some racists in all countries that would take that view.
I've not heard anyone on this board say it either (although I obviously could have missed it).
I just think to say "these guys are no longer wanted in the UK and they will be off home soon", is thoroughly misleading and sounds to me as if you're trying to suggest that half of Britains are racists.
The levels of UK immigration for the vast majority, including the views of people of all ethnicity, because I've definitely heard blacks, browns, whites, orientals all say the same, is purely about reducing the number of people entering the UK in the future.
I certainly think the current political climate has contributed to a rise in racism, or at least people thinking it is acceptable to voice racist ideas. Last couple of times I have been back to the UK with my wife, who is not British, we have definitely felt this.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
Do you think that under 'controlled immigration" that the UK is going to allow in unskilled workers whose only means of earning money is with a sponge and bucket?
I mean, this is the sheer unadulterated lunacy of Brexit exposed in all of its glory for everyone to see.
Is the UK seriously going to spend hundreds of millions of pounds and resources checking people's backgrounds and qualifications so that they can come in and work as fucking squeegee merchants?
Moreover, are people who can only secure low paid unskilled work going to want to go through a tortuous and lengthy visa application process for a temporary working visa that leaves them in permanent limbo?
That means - as UK business groups have already pointed out - that the UK is going to face severe labour shortages in the service sector which will push up the cost of doing business and reduce productivity.
So, yes, you can have your "controlled immigration" but it will come at a steep price.
Those people already get hammered and take a higher rate of tax.
Why can the emphasis not be on creating jobs, creating opportunity to gain skills, creating opportunity to learn business skills. Better opportunity and availability for access to affordable loans to start a business if you have an idea that could drive growth. A business that could create more jobs and contribute to a better economy.
The local hand car wash has been set up by 5 polish guys who do a great job and are known throughout the area. Everyone uses them. Why didn't 5 locals do that instead?
Not everyone is able to do something like that - but that is what taxpayers money should help out on. We already have a benefits system - people act like it doesn't even exist
Damo, mate. There is this thing called Brexit, I dunno whether you have heard about it, but it means these guys are no longer wanted in the UK, they will be off home soon, so no need to spend taxpayers money on their like.
They are wanted, it's controlled immigration that is wanted, not uncontrolled immigration. People are not calling for repatriation. Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
Plenty of people express exactly that view regularly in my local newspaper's forum.
Well I've personally not heard it in Bromley and I've never heard anyone say they want Europeans deported. However, there's obviously some racists in all countries that would take that view.
I've not heard anyone on this board say it either (although I obviously could have missed it).
I just think to say "these guys are no longer wanted in the UK and they will be off home soon", is thoroughly misleading and sounds to me as if you're trying to suggest that half of Britains are racists.
The levels of UK immigration for the vast majority, including the views of people of all ethnicity, because I've definitely heard blacks, browns, whites, orientals all say the same, is purely about reducing the number of people entering the UK in the future.
Seriously, the level of reasoned debate on here from all sides is Premiership level compared to sunday league on the local rag's site. Honestly the levels of overtly racist views, just flat out nasty trolling and silly name calling on there would make a moderator like I_b_b_o_r_g tear his hair out.
Do we think the Tories will make good on their manifesto pledges?
This from Inside Housing, in respect of the 2015 Tory manifesto:
The Conservatives have set out their housing election pledges today, making it a good time to look back at the progress made on the last set of election pledges in 2015.
Two years is a long time in politics and the changing of the guard from David Cameron to Theresa May seems to have left two major housing casualties in its wake. Starter Homes stutter
The major housing policy two years ago was the promise to build 200,000 Starter Homes exclusively for the under-40s.
This passed into law last year but in the recent Housing White Paper ministers confirmed they had dropped the target and the 200,000 homes would be made up of shared ownership, Help to Buy and Right to Buy alongside Starter Homes.
The elusive Right to Buy
The biggest announcement before the 2015 election was the Voluntary Right to Buy scheme for housing associations, funded by forcing councils to sell off their high-value homes.
Despite pilots with five housing associations wrapping up last year, there is still no word on when the nationwide scheme will get off the ground, despite Mr Cameron promising a roll-out within 100 days of his new government. Councils have been told they will not have to pay a high-value asset levy this financial year.
Perhaps crucially, there was no mention of the scheme in the Conservative manifesto published today.
And the rest…
When it comes to first-time buyers, the 2015 policies have fared better, with the extension of the Help to Buy equity loan and the Help to Buy ISA still in place.
The Help to Buy mortgage guarantee was meant to remain in place until the beginning of 2017, and chancellor Philip Hammond accordingly announced it would be wound up at the end of 2016.
The pledge to give local people more control over planning has crystallised in the Neighbourhood Planning Act, which strengthens neighbourhood plans.
The London Land Commission was created as promised and given a mandate to “identify and release all surplus brownfield land owned by the public sector”. The commission is up and running, but has only had three meetings since its inception, the last of which was 16 months ago. Labour’s Sadiq Khan mocked its progress after winning control of City Hall in 2016, for including sites such 10 Downing Street and the British Museum in its register.
Pay to Stay, the controversial policy to make council tenants earning £31,000 or more pay higher rents, was quietly dropped despite becoming law – although this was announced by then-chancellor George Osborne in the first Budget after the 2015 election and was never a manifesto pledge.
Housing minister Gavin Barwell said Pay to Stay would no longer be compulsory and councils of all political persuasions subsequently fell over themselves to announce they would not be using the policy.
I certainly think the current political climate has contributed to a rise in racism, or at least people thinking it is acceptable to voice racist ideas. Last couple of times I have been back to the UK with my wife, who is not British, we have definitely felt this.
Dickheads like Farage standing Super imposed on a Brexit propaganda poster in front of Arab and middle eastern immigrants don't help. That poster was wrong on so many levels.
When people talk about Brexit when it comes to immigration to me it seems pretty clear. its not because half or Britain is racist its because half or Britain (or more) are worried about the strains on the infrastructure.
Tories want to (and have done) cut spending on many of the infrastructure that i believe most Brits worry about, Transport, Education, NHS etc. also affordable housing. all of which they see immigrants are using. if more arrive more will use. joke is, its our government, in particular the tories, who are the ones who have let us down. cuts to education. cuts to NHS and lack of decent management. privatisation to trains (capitalism. look at train prices) and of course the joke that is affordable housing. well their old skool one of buy your council house from us worked well. also where the fuck is the rent cap especially in London.
all in all it's not cos we are racist and we don't like you Mr bloke from foreign shores its cos unfortunately our government have ballsed things up so much that quite a few people don't know who to blame and unfortunately some read our popular newspapers.
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They have also been in charge for the last seven years, they need to take responsibility. If it is still Labour's fault then clearly the Tories are not fit to govern as they can't sort things out.
Might be made up though. A couple just for info...
But it will be interesting to see how this 'dementia tax' plays out in that same demographic. It has been impressive to see how they have marketed what will the biggest wealth redistribution tax ever to the very people most likely to be effected by it and whose vote they take for granted.
Something else to add, why isn't the press hounding for answers about how the Conservatives will pay for their manifesto yet pick at Labour's one even though it has full costings?
we are talking about the tory press. they were bought years ago. if not then the new pledge of stopping the leverson enquiry has surely swayed them.
the ipaper as far as I know mentioned it on Friday and the opinion piece was critical of May.
People are not calling for repatriation.
Please don't lie, even if it is tongue in cheek.
I'm yet to read a single reason why anyone wants to vote Tory going from their manifesto
However, there's obviously some racists in all countries that would take that view.
I've not heard anyone on this board say it either (although I obviously could have missed it).
I just think to say "these guys are no longer wanted in the UK and they will be off home soon", is thoroughly misleading and sounds to me as if you're trying to suggest that half of Britains are racists.
The levels of UK immigration for the vast majority, including the views of people of all ethnicity, because I've definitely heard blacks, browns, whites, orientals all say the same, is purely about reducing the number of people entering the UK in the future.
I mean, this is the sheer unadulterated lunacy of Brexit exposed in all of its glory for everyone to see.
Is the UK seriously going to spend hundreds of millions of pounds and resources checking people's backgrounds and qualifications so that they can come in and work as fucking squeegee merchants?
Moreover, are people who can only secure low paid unskilled work going to want to go through a tortuous and lengthy visa application process for a temporary working visa that leaves them in permanent limbo?
That means - as UK business groups have already pointed out - that the UK is going to face severe labour shortages in the service sector which will push up the cost of doing business and reduce productivity.
So, yes, you can have your "controlled immigration" but it will come at a steep price.
This from Inside Housing, in respect of the 2015 Tory manifesto:
The Conservatives have set out their housing election pledges today, making it a good time to look back at the progress made on the last set of election pledges in 2015.
Two years is a long time in politics and the changing of the guard from David Cameron to Theresa May seems to have left two major housing casualties in its wake.
Starter Homes stutter
The major housing policy two years ago was the promise to build 200,000 Starter Homes exclusively for the under-40s.
This passed into law last year but in the recent Housing White Paper ministers confirmed they had dropped the target and the 200,000 homes would be made up of shared ownership, Help to Buy and Right to Buy alongside Starter Homes.
The elusive Right to Buy
The biggest announcement before the 2015 election was the Voluntary Right to Buy scheme for housing associations, funded by forcing councils to sell off their high-value homes.
Despite pilots with five housing associations wrapping up last year, there is still no word on when the nationwide scheme will get off the ground, despite Mr Cameron promising a roll-out within 100 days of his new government. Councils have been told they will not have to pay a high-value asset levy this financial year.
Perhaps crucially, there was no mention of the scheme in the Conservative manifesto published today.
And the rest…
When it comes to first-time buyers, the 2015 policies have fared better, with the extension of the Help to Buy equity loan and the Help to Buy ISA still in place.
The Help to Buy mortgage guarantee was meant to remain in place until the beginning of 2017, and chancellor Philip Hammond accordingly announced it would be wound up at the end of 2016.
The pledge to give local people more control over planning has crystallised in the Neighbourhood Planning Act, which strengthens neighbourhood plans.
The London Land Commission was created as promised and given a mandate to “identify and release all surplus brownfield land owned by the public sector”. The commission is up and running, but has only had three meetings since its inception, the last of which was 16 months ago. Labour’s Sadiq Khan mocked its progress after winning control of City Hall in 2016, for including sites such 10 Downing Street and the British Museum in its register.
Pay to Stay, the controversial policy to make council tenants earning £31,000 or more pay higher rents, was quietly dropped despite becoming law – although this was announced by then-chancellor George Osborne in the first Budget after the 2015 election and was never a manifesto pledge.
Housing minister Gavin Barwell said Pay to Stay would no longer be compulsory and councils of all political persuasions subsequently fell over themselves to announce they would not be using the policy.
The guy is an absolute tool
Tories want to (and have done) cut spending on many of the infrastructure that i believe most Brits worry about, Transport, Education, NHS etc. also affordable housing. all of which they see immigrants are using. if more arrive more will use. joke is, its our government, in particular the tories, who are the ones who have let us down. cuts to education. cuts to NHS and lack of decent management. privatisation to trains (capitalism. look at train prices) and of course the joke that is affordable housing. well their old skool one of buy your council house from us worked well. also where the fuck is the rent cap especially in London.
all in all it's not cos we are racist and we don't like you Mr bloke from foreign shores its cos unfortunately our government have ballsed things up so much that quite a few people don't know who to blame and unfortunately some read our popular newspapers.