Well said Greenie. My mortgage is paid off - I shouldn't care, but our children matter. Their future's matter. My son is 16 and can't vote, but I will be voting for him!
Luckily My Mrs knows nothing of politics so I get 2 votes as she just goes with what I say.
I can happily now say I was going to get her to vote Conservative, but we won't be doing that now. My votesis are instead Labours to lose.
I'm a double floating voter so my opinion may change, but it's cutting it fine.
I work in law and it's very public school and Oxbridge dominated. And it becomes self fulfilling as people recruit in their own image and "only Oxbridge can do the job" because the mantra. It's horseshit. The case for a diverse workforce in terms of race, gender and background can be settled with economics alone. Every other industry figured this out in the 80s, law has only just realised it. Patent law, where I work is still in the dark ages and only just beginning to budge.
The answer is to get more state school educated kids into Oxbridge (on merit) rather than to cease recruiting from the best universities in the country.
However I suspect you're implying that they only recruit similarly privately-educated Oxbridge students which is a different problem.
You are right that's what happens often (depends on the firm of course)
In terms of your first point, Oxford and Cambridge aren't bad at trying to recruit people from diverse backgrounds but it isn't perfect. And also there are lots of reasons why similarly talented people dont go there, for example they have to live at home, or they don't fit (or think they fit) into the culture. You have to recruit on merit of course, but some employers just use the Oxbridge badge as a proxy for quality. I've met some brilliant patent attorneys who went to Oxbridge. Others make Rain Man seem like James Brown. Being highly intelligent isn't everything.
Some massive employers university blind applications, as well as name and gender blinding them. Makes a difference at least to the initial screening process!
I agree with all of that but we would all lose out if the best universities started to lower their entry requirements. The 'culture' argument is a bit of a daft reason to turn down a world class education although I am sure it exists.
The blind employment screening makes a lot of sense when trying to reduce irrational discrimination by gender/school/race/looks etc. but I'm not sure blind screening by university makes much sense (there's usually a reason why employers want Oxbridge over say University of East London, with all due respect to that fine seat of learning).
Having tried to sift through nearly 300 applications for a single graduate job I can assure you that a short cut of Oxbridge/russell group is tempting, but not really necessary, as I was able to remove a massive chunk by such processes as "made no attempt to tailor the covering letter to the job advert". Got someone from Edinburgh in the end.
Btw, I've spoken to plenty of Oxbridge students who reckon the quality of the teaching there is cack.
Well said Greenie. My mortgage is paid off - I shouldn't care, but our children matter. Their future's matter. My son is 16 and can't vote, but I will be voting for him!
Muttley it worries me, it really does, when I bought my first house in 1988 (63k), you went to estate agent, there was maybe 10-15 houses in your chosen area, you took a look, decided, then applied and got your mortgage, and you were on the ladder, I was the same age as junior is now and the options for him and his generation are so bloody limited, theres nothing decent about and affordable. This generation have been royally screwed. The best he can hope for, and he's doing OK money wise fro his age, is a shared ownership property. Its bloody criminal.
Well said Greenie. My mortgage is paid off - I shouldn't care, but our children matter. Their future's matter. My son is 16 and can't vote, but I will be voting for him!
Muttley it worries me, it really does, when I bought my first house in 1988 (63k), you went to estate agent, there was maybe 10-15 houses in your chosen area, you took a look, decided, then applied and got your mortgage, and you were on the ladder, I was the same age as junior is now and the options for him and his generation are so bloody limited, theres nothing decent about and affordable. This generation have been royally screwed. The best he can hope for, and he's doing OK money wise fro his age, is a shared ownership property. Its bloody criminal.
If he were to move further out of London there would be loads of options, he just needs a couple of years books.
Well said Greenie. My mortgage is paid off - I shouldn't care, but our children matter. Their future's matter. My son is 16 and can't vote, but I will be voting for him!
Muttley it worries me, it really does, when I bought my first house in 1988 (63k), you went to estate agent, there was maybe 10-15 houses in your chosen area, you took a look, decided, then applied and got your mortgage, and you were on the ladder, I was the same age as junior is now and the options for him and his generation are so bloody limited, theres nothing decent about and affordable. This generation have been royally screwed. The best he can hope for, and he's doing OK money wise fro his age, is a shared ownership property. Its bloody criminal.
If he were to move further out of London there would be loads of options, he just needs a couple of years books.
Of course Dazzler, he could move to Barnsley, and no doubt pick up a whole street for 50k. BUT he lives in South London, he has looked at various places further afield, but then life work balance comes into it, look I believe that the housing market is being overinflated deliberately (not enough house being built) to keep prices up, so houses (investments) hold their value, it stands to reason more choice, less price increases, supply and demand dictates that.
It was really tough for us. We saved solidly and didn't even go out for a night out with mates unless it was for birthday's etc... This went on for 3 years and even then we had to use help to buy.
But now we own a nice house in a nice town and the struggles were worthwhile.
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
It was really tough for us. We saved solidly and didn't even go out for a night out with mates unless it was for birthday's etc... This went on for 3 years and even then we had to use help to buy.
But now we own a nice house in a nice town and the struggles were worthwhile.
I am very pleased that you did well (I'm not being patronising, Im genuine), BUT, wouldn't it be better if it wasn't that way, why make things hard(help to buy), thats 3 years of your life you wont get back? Notwithstanding that an awful lot of young people, no matter how hard they work and the majority do, still cant get near owning their own house.
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
If he does have a very good job and is middle class etc, he shouldn't have to take free childcare, free school dinners etc off the state. In that situation then you manage your finances to a point where you pay for it yourself. There shouldnt be free school dinners en masse. If you cant afford to feed your kids then thats one thing and thats what it should be used for.
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
Why are the elite donating all this money to turn the tide? What do they expect in return?:)
Theresa May tie and blazer badge sets. Strong and stable business wear for strong and stable people.
The daily mail will be releasing a commemorative 24 piece cabinet place set for £24.99 with all your favourite ministers. Already reports that Liam Fox has gone missing from numerous deliveries
You get the full campaign DVD, including May turning into a robot when quizzed in Plymouth. May turning into an angry robot when quizzed by Laura Kunsberg on BBC news. Extended highlights of the Mays on the one show
You also get a free ride on Teresa's big bus. A return to anywhere in Europe....oh no apologies, just heard that the bus is now only offering day return to anywhere in the U.K.
No, apologies, that's Day return to anywhere in England or Wales
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
If he does have a very good job and is middle class etc, he shouldn't have to take free childcare, free school dinners etc off the state. In that situation then you manage your finances to a point where you pay for it yourself. There shouldnt be free school dinners en masse. If you cant afford to feed your kids then thats one thing and thats what it should be used for.
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
It was more about the mentality of the type of person he and I would like to be and the direction we'd like to see the country going in.
One party is offering more equality for children, the other wants them to go hungry.
It wasn't him looking to suddenly start "scrounging" off the state.
As evidenced by the Plymouth interview, the 'strong and able' Theresa May is having an absolute nightmare. I wonder if the Tories regret not having chosen Boris as their leader? Buffoon that he undoubtedly is, he knows how to run a show and would be taking on Jezza rather than hiding in a fish port.
As evidenced by the Plymouth interview, the 'strong and able' Theresa May is having an absolute nightmare. I wonder if the Tories regret not having chosen Boris as their leader? Buffoon that he undoubtedly is, he knows how to run a show and would be taking on Jezza rather than hiding in a fish port.
I am a bit confused as to how many Conservatives chose Theresa May as their leader, and hence Prime Minister. Never mind, liars say the EU is 'undemocratic', and the UK will apparently get back it's sovereignty soon.
We're not out yet and the decision to leave was voted on LAST YEAR not 3 months ago when we had larger growth than all of the g7 countries.
Wait till Brexit actually happens!
Agree. I hope we are all hugely surprised by the outcome. The result of the election likely to be a hung parliament will mean May won't have the easy ride she wants on this.
Everyone knows what the outcome will be. The little Englanders who voted leave will be walking around for a few years with stupid smirks on their faces thinking they have their country back while the UK economy crashes for the next 10 years before we are begging the EU to let us back in.
i take it you didnt vote leave are you going to continue to sulk about or shall we do a best out of 3
When we know exactly what the Brexit terms are after the completion of the negotiations I believe it would be a grotesque obscenity if the government of the day did not allow the country to decide if those terms are acceptable. Which is why I am voting Lib Dem. There is an outside chance (if the current polls are to be believed - which I don't to be fair) that Labour could form a coalition government with the Lib Dems and the SNP. Allowing the country to accept or reject the terms of the final Brexit deal should be the minimum concession the Lib Dems and SNP extract from Labour in exchange for joining the coalition.
And if that's leave will that be acceptable or will we still have the continued protests/whining referring to anyone who voted out pretty stupid/uneducated, little englanders was how you refferered to us ( leave voters ), what exactly does that mean?
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
If he does have a very good job and is middle class etc, he shouldn't have to take free childcare, free school dinners etc off the state. In that situation then you manage your finances to a point where you pay for it yourself. There shouldnt be free school dinners en masse. If you cant afford to feed your kids then thats one thing and thats what it should be used for.
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
It was more about the mentality of the type of person he and I would like to be and the direction we'd like to see the country going in.
One party is offering more equality for children, the other wants them to go hungry.
It wasn't him looking to suddenly start "scrounging" off the state.
No my point was that if Labour are offering free school dinners for all children, that in my opinion is not a fair way to spend the taxpayers money. If it were means tested, we can ensure that people who need school dinners and genuinely cant afford them get them.
And then the rest of us (including your friend) pay our own. There is no reason why a family on an average UK wage shouldnt be able to feed their kids. Feeding your kids comes before a new widescreen TV, car etc etc. If someone genuinely cant afford even food, then thats when the state needs to step in for this.
Why does the country need to go in a direction when everyone gets a free lunch when a massive number of us should be able to afford it?
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
If he does have a very good job and is middle class etc, he shouldn't have to take free childcare, free school dinners etc off the state. In that situation then you manage your finances to a point where you pay for it yourself. There shouldnt be free school dinners en masse. If you cant afford to feed your kids then thats one thing and thats what it should be used for.
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
It was more about the mentality of the type of person he and I would like to be and the direction we'd like to see the country going in.
One party is offering more equality for children, the other wants them to go hungry.
It wasn't him looking to suddenly start "scrounging" off the state.
Another example of the ridiculous hyperbole taking place on this thread.
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
If he does have a very good job and is middle class etc, he shouldn't have to take free childcare, free school dinners etc off the state. In that situation then you manage your finances to a point where you pay for it yourself. There shouldnt be free school dinners en masse. If you cant afford to feed your kids then thats one thing and thats what it should be used for.
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
It was more about the mentality of the type of person he and I would like to be and the direction we'd like to see the country going in.
One party is offering more equality for children, the other wants them to go hungry.
It wasn't him looking to suddenly start "scrounging" off the state.
Another example of the ridiculous hyperbole taking place on this thread.
Honest to God, sometimes I wish they would take a second to think before posting.
Last night I spoke to a good friend of mine who had a baby two weeks ago. He isn't really political but he said something quite interesting to me.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
If he does have a very good job and is middle class etc, he shouldn't have to take free childcare, free school dinners etc off the state. In that situation then you manage your finances to a point where you pay for it yourself. There shouldnt be free school dinners en masse. If you cant afford to feed your kids then thats one thing and thats what it should be used for.
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
It was more about the mentality of the type of person he and I would like to be and the direction we'd like to see the country going in.
One party is offering more equality for children, the other wants them to go hungry.
It wasn't him looking to suddenly start "scrounging" off the state.
Another example of the riduculous hyperbole taking place on this thread.
Vote Conservative for a fairer society. Is that a fair summary of your mesaage Damo?
Yes because that's exactly what I said isnt it........
I will vote on getting the best compromise between ensuring we have the money to help those who actually need it, encouraging and helping people into employment and giving them the skills to prosper, and also (as much as I hate it as I was remain) the party who are not shying away from this Brexit challenge we find ourselves with.
May's husband: Shall I put the bins out? May: The bins are an important part of removing waste from the house May's husband: Yes but do you want me to take the bins out? May: I have made it perfectly clear, disposal of waste is a noble aspiration. May's husband: Ok, I'll leave it - shall we have an early night? May: I have always been a keen supporter of night following day.
I tend to think a point is better made without insulting people, otherwise the force of the argument is actually lost. Nothing wrong with a bit of passion, but if you want to convince someone that the facts support your argument calling them names doesn't help.
May's husband: Shall I put the bins out? May: The bins are an important part of removing waste from the house May's husband: Yes but do you want me to take the bins out? May: I have made it perfectly clear, disposal of waste is a noble aspiration. May's husband: Ok, I'll leave it - shall we have an early night? May: I have always been a keen supporter of night following day.
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I can happily now say I was going to get her to vote Conservative, but we won't be doing that now. My votes
isare instead Labours to lose.I'm a double floating voter so my opinion may change, but it's cutting it fine.
Btw, I've spoken to plenty of Oxbridge students who reckon the quality of the teaching there is cack.
The best he can hope for, and he's doing OK money wise fro his age, is a shared ownership property. Its bloody criminal.
It was really tough for us. We saved solidly and didn't even go out for a night out with mates unless it was for birthday's etc... This went on for 3 years and even then we had to use help to buy.
But now we own a nice house in a nice town and the struggles were worthwhile.
"I've just had a kid so I'm looking at this election a bit differently, one party is offering free education and an increase in childcare, the other wants to take school dinners away."
This is a lad who is fairly middle class, privately educated and has a very good job.
But when he laid it out as simply as that about the future it seems so simple a choice.
Pay a couple of extra percentage points on my company's earnings to help educate our kids and heal our sick? No way fam!
A friend at work was moaning about free school dinners being taken away. He has just got back from St Lucia on hols............ Classic example of overspending beyond his means and one that puts undue pressure on the state.
The daily mail will be releasing a commemorative 24 piece cabinet place set for £24.99 with all your favourite ministers. Already reports that Liam Fox has gone missing from numerous deliveries
You get the full campaign DVD, including May turning into a robot when quizzed in Plymouth. May turning into an angry robot when quizzed by Laura Kunsberg on BBC news. Extended highlights of the Mays on the one show
You also get a free ride on Teresa's big bus. A return to anywhere in Europe....oh no apologies, just heard that the bus is now only offering day return to anywhere in the U.K.
No, apologies, that's Day return to anywhere in England or Wales
One party is offering more equality for children, the other wants them to go hungry.
It wasn't him looking to suddenly start "scrounging" off the state.
Never mind, liars say the EU is 'undemocratic', and the UK will apparently get back it's sovereignty soon.
And then the rest of us (including your friend) pay our own. There is no reason why a family on an average UK wage shouldnt be able to feed their kids. Feeding your kids comes before a new widescreen TV, car etc etc. If someone genuinely cant afford even food, then thats when the state needs to step in for this.
Why does the country need to go in a direction when everyone gets a free lunch when a massive number of us should be able to afford it?
I love the way the hairstyles are the same.
A box of cornflakes is about 0.31 pence per gram.
20g of cornflakes per child (0.7 ounces in old money), no milk allowed.
I will vote on getting the best compromise between ensuring we have the money to help those who actually need it, encouraging and helping people into employment and giving them the skills to prosper, and also (as much as I hate it as I was remain) the party who are not shying away from this Brexit challenge we find ourselves with.
May: The bins are an important part of removing waste from the house
May's husband: Yes but do you want me to take the bins out?
May: I have made it perfectly clear, disposal of waste is a noble aspiration.
May's husband: Ok, I'll leave it - shall we have an early night?
May: I have always been a keen supporter of night following day.
Anyone disagreeing with this is wazzock.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/copa90/2017/may/31/jeremy-corbyn-arsenal-league-arsene-wenger-election-labour
He actually seems to know about football and like it.
Looks like he actually enjoyed the interview as well.