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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • Chizz said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    Doesn't surprise me, despite the rhetoric on the higher earners getting away with murder when it comes to tax under the conservatives the truth is somewhat different and anyone earning over £100k will be paying quite a bit more tax than in 2010 (and so they should). Anyone with children earning over 60k will also be paying more.

    The second link also doesn't surprise me that the top 0.01% are able to offshore etc and avoid paying tax they should be, how you resolve that I don't know.
    Now that's a demographic!
    My elderly parents are still waiting. They'd better not get dementia, that house is mine!

    (Insert panicked I don't mean it winkie)
  • Did anyone see the member of the audience in Question Time calling for people who had gone to bogus colleges to be re interviewed/tested.

    If they failed the tests he wanted them deported ?

    He was saying immigration had destroyed England and it wasn't England anymore.




    He was a brown Asian chap.
  • I think it is showing us that you can't talk a person up if they haven't got it and you can't talk a person down if they have. Now forgetting party politics - For all I disagree with him, Cameron was an assured leader. Not through people telling us he was, but from what we could see with our own eyes and ears. I said as much when he resigned. Corbyn has been brutally talked down by the press, but in some ways that has helped him. Why? Because when people have seen him, he is clearly not the same person that the press has presented. I think this has been a massive miscalculation by the right wing press. People see the real Corbyn because you get that scrutiny in an election, and disbelieve the crap that is written about him. The LSE have studied all that has been written about Corbyn and calculated that at least 75% of it has been factually incorrect. The evening standard are normally quite clever in actually being more balanced and coming down with the Tory (even though you knew they always would do) like they have really thought it through and for all their faults they are the best option on balance!

    It is the opposite to Corbyn with May. What evidence was there that she was a strong and stable leader? None at all - where there was clear evidence with Cameron. There is a sort of arrogance that assumes people are stupid enough to believe she is strong and stable because they keep telling us she is. She clearly imagined she could fight an election based on the press perception of Corbyn, but she needed to respect his massive achievement in becoming leader of the Labour party. He was 200-1 to get it FFS! So she had a plan of not saying much about herself, but slagging off Corbyn, but he has shown he has something about him and the emptyness of this plan has been exposed. As part of this complacence, we have had one of the laziest manifestos ever produced from the Tories, and probably the best in recent years from Labour. Now I'm not talking about whether you agree with the detail of not, but just how the costings and detail has been presented and policies thought through. Many people in the Conservative party will be angry with May as they had a workable majority and she only really called the election because she was sure she would win it with a landslide majority. But she doesn't seem to have respected the opposition which buggered up the Hare when he raced tortoise!

    The Tories have always fought on where they are strong, but her greed to destroy Labour has seen her try to steal Labour voters and destroy the party - an example is token nods to workers rights. This has been a big mistake - fighting Labour on their ground when you have a healthy lead, but shows the arrogance of the woman and her team. It was understandable given the tactics that she ducked the first TV debate, but incredible that she ducked the second. But then you can see that she is a useless debater and if you want her negotiating a decent deal for us in Brexit, I'll have some of what you are having. Better somebody who can triumph against the odds and actually not insult/upset the people they are negotiating with.

    I started this election with a record of slagging him off since he became leader and hoping he lost the vote of confidence teh establishment part of the Labour party tried to impose on him. I was listening to all the crap talked about him, but the more exposure he has been given, the better he looks. For me personally, he has inspired me to join and donate to the Labour Party - something I have never done in my life before. If I am seeing him differently and more clearly, so are many others and he does offer us hope of a better country.

    I am a life long Labour voter but completely opposed to the appointment of Corbyn as the leader from the start. Having said that I am astonished at how the polls are apparently showing Labour making in-roads into the Tory lead. I cannot explain it. However, over the last few weeks I have seen Corbyn in debates and interviews and on the hustings and he still comes across to me as a little bit dim and not that articulate. The leader of the Green Party last night made him look second rate. I am watching Question Time now and Nick Clegg makes him look third rate. This campaign has also shown May to be somewhat dim and shallow. During my lifetime there has never been a time when I was ever in doubt that my Prime Minister was better educated, more intelligent and more articulate than me. Whoever the next PM is after next week I will no longer have this feeling.
    I have to say, she's been the one i've been most impressed with as an individual, just a shame she's in a party thats never likely to be electable and in my own area aren't standing this time around to help Labour :neutral:
  • She has an important message. People vote green because they understand how important that message is. Her power is when other parties have a green agenda and she uses that power by doing what you think is a shame.
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  • She has an important message. People vote green because they understand how important that message is. Her power is when other parties have a green agenda and she uses that power by doing what you think is a shame.

    I've got no issue with her policies etc, just making the comment she to me has been the most impressive of all the leaders and I'd rather see her a leader than Corbyn, May, Farron et all but that is never going to happen.
  • edited June 2017
    "The number of patients waiting six months or more for surgery has tripled over the past four years in England, the Royal College of Surgeons has said..."

    bbc.co.uk/news/health-40122075

    Cuts to local authorities > cuts to care packages > bed blocking > not enough beds available to carry out planned surgery.
  • I think it is showing us that you can't talk a person up if they haven't got it and you can't talk a person down if they have. Now forgetting party politics - For all I disagree with him, Cameron was an assured leader. Not through people telling us he was, but from what we could see with our own eyes and ears. I said as much when he resigned. Corbyn has been brutally talked down by the press, but in some ways that has helped him. Why? Because when people have seen him, he is clearly not the same person that the press has presented. I think this has been a massive miscalculation by the right wing press. People see the real Corbyn because you get that scrutiny in an election, and disbelieve the crap that is written about him. The LSE have studied all that has been written about Corbyn and calculated that at least 75% of it has been factually incorrect. The evening standard are normally quite clever in actually being more balanced and coming down with the Tory (even though you knew they always would do) like they have really thought it through and for all their faults they are the best option on balance!

    It is the opposite to Corbyn with May. What evidence was there that she was a strong and stable leader? None at all - where there was clear evidence with Cameron. There is a sort of arrogance that assumes people are stupid enough to believe she is strong and stable because they keep telling us she is. She clearly imagined she could fight an election based on the press perception of Corbyn, but she needed to respect his massive achievement in becoming leader of the Labour party. He was 200-1 to get it FFS! So she had a plan of not saying much about herself, but slagging off Corbyn, but he has shown he has something about him and the emptyness of this plan has been exposed. As part of this complacence, we have had one of the laziest manifestos ever produced from the Tories, and probably the best in recent years from Labour. Now I'm not talking about whether you agree with the detail of not, but just how the costings and detail has been presented and policies thought through. Many people in the Conservative party will be angry with May as they had a workable majority and she only really called the election because she was sure she would win it with a landslide majority. But she doesn't seem to have respected the opposition which buggered up the Hare when he raced tortoise!

    The Tories have always fought on where they are strong, but her greed to destroy Labour has seen her try to steal Labour voters and destroy the party - an example is token nods to workers rights. This has been a big mistake - fighting Labour on their ground when you have a healthy lead, but shows the arrogance of the woman and her team. It was understandable given the tactics that she ducked the first TV debate, but incredible that she ducked the second. But then you can see that she is a useless debater and if you want her negotiating a decent deal for us in Brexit, I'll have some of what you are having. Better somebody who can triumph against the odds and actually not insult/upset the people they are negotiating with.

    I started this election with a record of slagging him off since he became leader and hoping he lost the vote of confidence teh establishment part of the Labour party tried to impose on him. I was listening to all the crap talked about him, but the more exposure he has been given, the better he looks. For me personally, he has inspired me to join and donate to the Labour Party - something I have never done in my life before. If I am seeing him differently and more clearly, so are many others and he does offer us hope of a better country.

    I am a life long Labour voter but completely opposed to the appointment of Corbyn as the leader from the start. Having said that I am astonished at how the polls are apparently showing Labour making in-roads into the Tory lead. I cannot explain it. However, over the last few weeks I have seen Corbyn in debates and interviews and on the hustings and he still comes across to me as a little bit dim and not that articulate. The leader of the Green Party last night made him look second rate. I am watching Question Time now and Nick Clegg makes him look third rate. This campaign has also shown May to be somewhat dim and shallow. During my lifetime there has never been a time when I was ever in doubt that my Prime Minister was better educated, more intelligent and more articulate than me. Whoever the next PM is after next week I will no longer have this feeling.
    John Major?!

    As the old saying nearly goes...

    Better to stay silent and have people think you're a fool...than to have an affair with Edwina Currie and have everyone know you're one!!
  • I have to admit it, and it is hard to say now because age hasn't been too kind to her, but I fancied her a bit myself.
  • "The number of patients waiting six months or more for surgery has tripled over the past four years in England, the Royal College of Surgeons has said..."

    bbc.co.uk/news/health-40122075

    Cuts to local authorities > cuts to care packages > bed blocking > not enough beds available to carry out planned surgery.

    And this has happened under the Tories? 'Excellent that makes me want to vote for them'.......said no one.....!
  • Did anyone see the member of the audience in Question Time calling for people who had gone to bogus colleges to be re interviewed/tested.

    If they failed the tests he wanted them deported ?

    He was saying immigration had destroyed England and it wasn't England anymore.




    He was a brown Asian chap.

    Love the fact that nobody took him to task on the fact that he was from immigrant stock.

    But of course that would probably be construed as racism.

    An ode to this f**** up society!
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  • Why is Corbyn not like other politicians?

    In the fallout of the expenses scandal in 2010, a study of MP expenses between May and August of that year - the first period after the system was overhauled - found that Corbyn was the MP who claimed the least (out of all MPs who had made claims).

    He explained to the Islington Gazette at the time: "I am a parsimonious MP. I think we should claim what we need to run our offices and pay our staff but be careful because it’s obviously public money."

    Leading economists back his economic policies:

    Economists have backed his policies as "sensible"

    Despite all the negative warnings about "Corbynomics", many economists from some of Britain's leading universities have signed an open letter crediting Corbyn with "stimulating serious discussion of crucial issues such as the role of the public sector in investment, management of debt and money, and how to tackle inequality".

    Austerity has never worked, all it does is depresses wages and provides cheap labour for the elite corporation to make more money - the GDP of the country and wealth of its people shrinks.

    The majority of people believe that rail should be re-nationalised:

    THis includes Tory voters.

    And finally:

    Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson, Alastair Campbell and David Miliband don't want him to be leader!

    On GDP Yes this last quarter saw a slowing as post brexit vote may begin to take hold but it's not as simple as austerity has caused it to shrink, it hasn't, it's the highest it's ever been since 2007 and continues to increase.

    What do you think will happen post election to GDP if overall as a country people have less money in their pockets?

    Plus I thought part of labours issue was the wealth of the people wasn't shrinking just not going to the right people?

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp

    I admire your passion but I don't believe the majority of the country share your view on Corbyn and his allies, next Thursday will answer that I guess one way or another. I like some of his policies but sadly don't share the view that long term they are achievable and are only likely to make matters worse.
  • Has May addressed what will happen to the NHS when EU staff leave and expat retirees return? Waiting lists and bed shortages are going to get a whole lot worse.

    Has it been announced that that's what is going to happen?

    Very interested in this news. Whack the link up as I'd be very interested in reading the announcement.

    Thanks.
  • Many EU staff in the NHS have said they are leaving as they don't feel welcome and lots of Costa del Sol retirees here are going back due to worries about reciprocal health care. Pretty obvious and don't need a link. Just interested how May is hoping to balance that out - training more British nurses perhaps?
  • Some vicious front pages from the usual suspects today. It feels like good against evil sometimes.
  • Many EU staff in the NHS have said they are leaving as they don't feel welcome and lots of Costa del Sol retirees here are going back due to worries about reciprocal health care. Pretty obvious and don't need a link. Just interested how May is hoping to balance that out - training more British nurses perhaps?

    No announcement then? That's disappointing.
  • I don't think there would be an announcement saying how people are thinking - hardly talking about a population swap policy!

    I imagine the returning retirees will make a nice little earner for the health insurance companies though...
  • The constant comparison with Theresa may and Maggie thatcher is a bit tiresome, wasn't tony Blair a labour man.
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    Sadiq Khan - london mayor
    Jeremy Corbyn - prime minister

    To quote heavy d from arsenal fan tv " were fucked "
  • Many EU staff in the NHS have said they are leaving as they don't feel welcome and lots of Costa del Sol retirees here are going back due to worries about reciprocal health care. Pretty obvious and don't need a link. Just interested how May is hoping to balance that out - training more British nurses perhaps?

    Theyl have to introduce a nurses crash course like for driving... first fail gets you another free try. I Cant wait to do the 4 day lung removal program
  • United Kingdom
    Sadiq Khan - london mayor
    Jeremy Corbyn - prime minister

    :love:
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