Damo, have you seen the Facebook stuff the Conservatives are flooding out where they cut and paste some Corbyn speeches to make it sound as if he won't condemn the IRA? Not fake accounts. The Tory election machine. Stuff the right like to convince the voters Corbyn would say.
I think on reflection both were hammered by the audience. Whoever wins is going to struggle with a deeply divided public and Brexit looming is going to make for a rough few years (even those who voted Brexit acknowledge that) so it will be no easy job. Long term, I believe Corbyns approach will lead to a stronger economy and that is what is needed bring people together. Except, he will never get a break from the press. May has lost the plot.
Ooh ooh got an actual question about nukes. The older people in the audience seemed a lot more worried that the younger ones
My dad was telling me about the Cuban missile crisis. Maybe people at the time remembered the second world war, the nuclear arms race and then the situation in Cuba which was probably very frightening. How likely was a nuclear war then, and how likely were the UK to really - really - be a target? How scary was it at the time? Be interested in hearing from those who remember it
I really hope that everyone posting long political discourses on Facebook are actually canvassing door to door and not just publicising their views to those with the same views as them to get 'likes'.
Damo, have you seen the Facebook stuff the Conservatives are flooding out where they cut and paste some Corbyn speeches to make it sound as if he won't condemn the IRA? Not fake accounts. The Tory election machine. Stuff the right like to convince the voters Corbyn would say.
Both are as bad as each other. More than happy to admit the faults with Tories.
Whatever happens this country (combined with Brexit) is going to be a horrible, divided place to live in the next few years.
Tories are not a perfect solution.
Some people on here literally have a view that we will be living in some kind of Utopia in a few years time.
I see most of those figures are simply the gross amount rather than as a % of GDP for example or adjusted for inflation.
May does the same. Quotes "...we've put records amounts of funding into x...". Well yes you would be putting more into whatever but it does not mean it's still not losing ground due to rising costs or higher demand.
Labours policies make no sense whatsoever! For example: £10 minimum wage sounds wonderful but it's unrealistic for small businesses and the cost of living would go higher. It won't help when Labour want to increase Corporation Tax so that'd place an extra burden on small and medium sized businesses.
Labour also want to put extra tax on the rich and their businesses- It's all very well doing this but the rich will end up moving to other countries which wouldn't help.
We need to encourage people to start a business and Labour will be doing the exact opposite.
But of course when the shit hits the fan from Labour's mad policies Brexit will be blamed by the hard lefties
Agree, it's totally nuts - £10ph on a 37.5hr week is equivalent to nearly £20k pa.....
OMG that's almost 1/6th of the earnings of several posters on this thread who are so keen to tell us about their largesse in keeping the economy ticking over by sending their kids to public school, spending £1000's annually on eating out or having nice houses. How the hell will we cope? Let's drop it to £5 an hour instead then we'll have a much more successful economy. Nah sod it, make it £3 instead!!!
If you ignore the inflationary impact of giving millions of people a 33% payrise.....
Consider the industries that tend to employ lots of minimum wage staff (retail, bars/restaurants, hotels, warehouses etc.) - what is the first thing they will do in response?
As firmly one of the old git generation I don't understand the logic behind the received assumption regarding the votes of my generation. The second world war in Europe looked heavily on our lives and upbringing, yet my generation seemingly voted for Brexit and to break up a peaceful Europe, and last night people were salivating for Nukes and are outraged that Corbyn is heavily reluctant to push the nuclear button. Maybe I am from a minority of my generation that remember the Aldermaston marches and have been influenced by that. If Corbyn is against vapourising people and turning planet Earth into a nuclear winter for a few million years then he is all right by me. I really do wish Labour wanted to remain in Europe though, but this 'wish of the UK electorate' line dominates and we are stuck with this Brexit wilderness decision from the main parties.
Spot on Shooters. May* throws big numbers around and people think it proves something, either good about Tories or bad about Labour. The numbers are too big to comprehend in isolation for most of us. But it should always about the historic comparison with how the economy is doing overall.
(*and it's pretty much only her in front of the cameras now - where's our Chancellor gone, why didn't we hear from our Environment minister about Trumps withdrawal from the Paris agreement???)
The problem is Labours economic policies make perfect sense unless you believe the economics of nations is the same as household economics. There are winners from austerity - but it is never the nation or its people - never has been in the whole history of austerity. Why people don't take the time to research and study the economic issues is beyond me.
I think pushing the red button is Corbyn's weakness. He needs to just say the truth, that he doesn't believe Trident works so he doesn't believe he will ever have to push the button, but if he did have to - apart from the fact it would mean Trident would have failed by that simple fact - he would do so. Being a pacifist who has fought against nuclear weapons all of his life, it is hard for him to do so, but it does give him a weak spot against detractors. I think he needs to explain this to the electorate in simple terms, probably not to different too how I have above. It might hurt him to say it, but he has to.
The anti semetic question was answered well - because the temptation is to give the detailed answer, but this is not the environment for detail. The fact is, Ken Livingstone's defence is that his comment was strictly accurate and an independant commision within the which is looking at it (he is currently suspended whilst it does so) has a problem as it wants to find against him but the comment he made was historically accurate. I think it was not a wise comment and I don't like the use of the word supported - because whilst it is true the Nazis supported zionism at one point, it was fuelled with a desire to remove all jews from Germany and within the context of robbing them of their assets and possessions. The Nazis always hated Jews.
There has been a merging of anti zionism and anti semitism, which are two different things. Isreal was created by removing Palestinians from their country and giving it to Jews. This was done as a reaction to the atrocity done to jews and in the context of zionist terrorism,some of it aimed at this country. Corbyn and Livingstone accept that Isreal needs to exist but both are critical of the way it treats Palestinians and has grabbed even more of their land from them. Because there are very powerful pro zionist jews in the world in America and Europe, any critique is labelled as anti-semitism. But it must be remembered that there are Jews that are anti-zionist and merging two different things into one is done because of an agenda for some and ignorance for others. One of the major issues facing the world is to difuse the tensions around Isreal - Arab leaders like Egypts Sadat have tried. Pressure has to be brought to all sides, and the challenge is to create the environment where Isreal can live in peace with its neighbours. Possible, but challenging. The Corbyn approach is how you achieve it though.
You make some reasonable points and despite being broadly pro-Israel I acknowledge some of their policies regarding the occupied territories is abominable.
However you refer to the Palestinians being removed from their country, but there was never a recognised country called Palestine (hopefully there will be one someday).
Meanwhile there are 1.2m Arab (ie 'Palestinian') citizens of Israel represented by several Arab MPs. Unfortunately democracy isn't a concept very familiar to the rest of the people of the region.
I really hope that everyone posting long political discourses on Facebook are actually canvassing door to door and not just publicising their views to those with the same views as them to get 'likes'.
This. Got a mate on Facebook constantly thundering against the Tories and posting canary articles. He "challenging" Tories to argue with him, but they never do. It's almost as if all his friends agree with him. Fortunately last week he declared that the only reason big pharma are holding back on studying cannabis when it's clearly a panacea was because they couldn't patent it. I schooled him, and it was beautiful. Like the time I took on an antivaxer
I was thinking today what things would change in my life in the event we experience a country where Laboir policies are implemented starting from next week.
Aside from the obvious tax rise, increased costs of services where company overheads increase etc - the other big change is that all of a sudden I become anti ruling class. Essentially taking on the 'protest role' versus the government.
Basically the roles swap and purely from an anti government stance I take on the role of the lefty.
Missed the Theresa May part but I must say Corbyn at least believes in what he says which makes a change for politics. In my opinion if he didn't have himself surrounded with people like Abbott and McDonnell people would be much more inclined to vote for him.
He's thrown a bit of a wobbly on the nuclear weapons questions and as someone said earlier he answers every question in a vague way by expanding the answer in to other things, as I type this he's completely dodged the blokes questions about business' moving abroad (this is one of my big worries)
Corporation tax at 26% still lower than the other G7 countries. There, answered
And if you think businesses are seriously going to go to Outer Mongolia just for a better tax rate, you're wrong.
No but they will need to balance out the increased costs that their tax bill creates. Never mind minimum wage rises as well. And abolishment of zero hours contracts.
Can anyone honestly say there won't be business casualties?
We should have as much emphasis at least on creating jobs / wealth alongside supporting the welfare bill
The Corporate Tax Rate in the United Kingdom stands at 19 percent. Corporate Tax Rate in the United Kingdom averaged 31.95 percent from 1981 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 52 percent in 1982 and a record low of 19 percent in 2017.
Current rates:
United States 38.90 India 34.61 Brazil 34.00 France 33.30 Japan 30.86 Australia 30.00 Mexico 30.00 Germany 29.72 Italy 27.90 Canada 26.50 China 25.00 Indonesia 25.00 Netherlands 25.00 Spain 25.00 South Korea 24.20 Russia 20.00 Turkey 20.00 United Kingdom 19.00 Switzerland 17.92
Can anybody say there will be business casualties?
Is £10 ph really too much to ask for? How the hell can a family live on £20k a year?
Is having guaranteed work really too much to ask for?
No - it's all about profits and dividends.
Best post on here for a while for me. People are commoditised so that those profits and dividends are optimised. And people are commoditised to nth degree. It won't stop, and in my opinion seems to be getting worse.
Damo, have you seen the Facebook stuff the Conservatives are flooding out where they cut and paste some Corbyn speeches to make it sound as if he won't condemn the IRA? Not fake accounts. The Tory election machine. Stuff the right like to convince the voters Corbyn would say.
This has been the most distorted election I can remember, shameful really. At times the press has seemed little better than that of a banana republic and this should be something that all sides of the political spectrum should be worried about.
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The comment clearly refers to commentary on the Michael Foot Labour manifesto
BBC tell guests not to criticise the Tories.
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My dad was telling me about the Cuban missile crisis. Maybe people at the time remembered the second world war, the nuclear arms race and then the situation in Cuba which was probably very frightening. How likely was a nuclear war then, and how likely were the UK to really - really - be a target? How scary was it at the time? Be interested in hearing from those who remember it
Whatever happens this country (combined with Brexit) is going to be a horrible, divided place to live in the next few years.
Tories are not a perfect solution.
Some people on here literally have a view that we will be living in some kind of Utopia in a few years time.
It's gonna be pretty shitty whatever happens.
May does the same. Quotes "...we've put records amounts of funding into x...". Well yes you would be putting more into whatever but it does not mean it's still not losing ground due to rising costs or higher demand.
Shit, I work with the gent bottom right!
Consider the industries that tend to employ lots of minimum wage staff (retail, bars/restaurants, hotels, warehouses etc.) - what is the first thing they will do in response?
The second world war in Europe looked heavily on our lives and upbringing, yet my generation seemingly voted for Brexit and to break up a peaceful Europe, and last night people were salivating for Nukes and are outraged that Corbyn is heavily reluctant to push the nuclear button.
Maybe I am from a minority of my generation that remember the Aldermaston marches and have been influenced by that. If Corbyn is against vapourising people and turning planet Earth into a nuclear winter for a few million years then he is all right by me. I really do wish Labour wanted to remain in Europe though, but this 'wish of the UK electorate' line dominates and we are stuck with this Brexit wilderness decision from the main parties.
(*and it's pretty much only her in front of the cameras now - where's our Chancellor gone, why didn't we hear from our Environment minister about Trumps withdrawal from the Paris agreement???)
However you refer to the Palestinians being removed from their country, but there was never a recognised country called Palestine (hopefully there will be one someday).
Meanwhile there are 1.2m Arab (ie 'Palestinian') citizens of Israel represented by several Arab MPs. Unfortunately democracy isn't a concept very familiar to the rest of the people of the region.
Aside from the obvious tax rise, increased costs of services where company overheads increase etc - the other big change is that all of a sudden I become anti ruling class. Essentially taking on the 'protest role' versus the government.
Basically the roles swap and purely from an anti government stance I take on the role of the lefty.
That's freaked me out a bit.