A few pots and kettles in the Middle East this morning with Qatar being cut adrift by Egypt, UAE, Bahrain and Saudi over their links to and support of terrorism. I'm surprised Saudi could keep a straight face when making their announcement.
This government has sanctioned 194 export licences for arms costing £3.3BN in the last 2 years to a Saudi regime that then uses them to bomb the hell out of the Yemen & continues to support Daesh.
On the other hand, we do then give aid (a tenth of what we make in arms sales) to Yemen to rebuild hospitals, homes, infrastructure etc., that our weapons destroyed the day before.
If this, or any future government, is really serious about tackling extremism then it needs to start by adhering to the Arms Trade Treaty to which we (and the US) are signatories. If they don't, then that speech from May yesterday means absolutely nothing.
I think it shows that they can respond to criticism and pressure and it is outrageous that they have been let off the hook by too many governments, not just from this country, because of the importance of their oil. As for Qatar, why are we still having a World Cup there? They are terrorist funders as well as being human rights abusers!
Possibly for the same reason that Russia, having annexed Crimea and "encouraged separatist rebels" in the Donbass, will host the World Cup...
After yesterday's speech from May, I feel more confident in her. If I choose to vote, I will likely vote for Matt Hartley who is a pro Brexit MP standing in Eltham. Clive Efford though, according to a few people round here Is a really good representative, it's a shame that I can't bring myself to vote for that party. As @Rob7Lee said it'll be interesting to see where the UKIP vote goes here, my girlfriend is annoyed as she has always voted ukip and doesn't want to vote either labour or Tory. Also I can't believe the bloody BNP are running here.
I can vouch for that, he made sure my Mum got her Blue Badge back when at the age of 85 she was told by those clowns at RBG that she no longer qualified (she had had it since she was 76).
His Private Members bill would have ensured that we would have a supporter in the boardroom at CAFC.
He is not a Corbynista either
@Rob7Lee He ignored you? I keep being told by Mike at the Long Pond that he regularly pops in for a beer and chats with anyone who accosts him.
I thought the local Tory was called Spencer Drury, what happened to him? Not deranged enough? :-)
After yesterday's speech from May, I feel more confident in her. If I choose to vote, I will likely vote for Matt Hartley who is a pro Brexit MP standing in Eltham. Clive Efford though, according to a few people round here Is a really good representative, it's a shame that I can't bring myself to vote for that party. As @Rob7Lee said it'll be interesting to see where the UKIP vote goes here, my girlfriend is annoyed as she has always voted ukip and doesn't want to vote either labour or Tory. Also I can't believe the bloody BNP are running here.
I can vouch for that, he made sure my Mum got her Blue Badge back when at the age of 85 she was told by those clowns at RBG that she no longer qualified (she had had it since she was 76).
His Private Members bill would have ensured that we would have a supporter in the boardroom at CAFC.
He is not a Corbynista either
@Rob7Lee He ignored you? I keep being told by Mike at the Long Pond that he regularly pops in for a beer and chats with anyone who accosts him.
I thought the local Tory was called Spencer Drury, what happened to him? Not deranged enough? :-)
Right so Today people cut ties, what is to say May won't cut ties too? They've only just done it themselves and some of them are right bloody next to Qatar.
World Cup will be interesting with these ongoing links...
She doesn't need to cut ties, just suspend all defence export license applications to them and Saudi. We send millions per year there in offensive weapons, and more troublingly millions more in crowd control measures for those pesky civilians.
After yesterday's speech from May, I feel more confident in her. If I choose to vote, I will likely vote for Matt Hartley who is a pro Brexit MP standing in Eltham. Clive Efford though, according to a few people round here Is a really good representative, it's a shame that I can't bring myself to vote for that party. As @Rob7Lee said it'll be interesting to see where the UKIP vote goes here, my girlfriend is annoyed as she has always voted ukip and doesn't want to vote either labour or Tory. Also I can't believe the bloody BNP are running here.
I can vouch for that, he made sure my Mum got her Blue Badge back when at the age of 85 she was told by those clowns at RBG that she no longer qualified (she had had it since she was 76).
His Private Members bill would have ensured that we would have a supporter in the boardroom at CAFC.
He is not a Corbynista either
@Rob7Lee He ignored you? I keep being told by Mike at the Long Pond that he regularly pops in for a beer and chats with anyone who accosts him.
I thought the local Tory was called Spencer Drury, what happened to him? Not deranged enough? :-)
But he did vote for Article 50!
I know, but that is just how F++++d up Labour are on Brexit.
After yesterday's speech from May, I feel more confident in her. If I choose to vote, I will likely vote for Matt Hartley who is a pro Brexit MP standing in Eltham. Clive Efford though, according to a few people round here Is a really good representative, it's a shame that I can't bring myself to vote for that party. As @Rob7Lee said it'll be interesting to see where the UKIP vote goes here, my girlfriend is annoyed as she has always voted ukip and doesn't want to vote either labour or Tory. Also I can't believe the bloody BNP are running here.
I can vouch for that, he made sure my Mum got her Blue Badge back when at the age of 85 she was told by those clowns at RBG that she no longer qualified (she had had it since she was 76).
His Private Members bill would have ensured that we would have a supporter in the boardroom at CAFC.
He is not a Corbynista either
@Rob7Lee He ignored you? I keep being told by Mike at the Long Pond that he regularly pops in for a beer and chats with anyone who accosts him.
I thought the local Tory was called Spencer Drury, what happened to him? Not deranged enough? :-)
But he did vote for Article 50!
I know, but that is just how F++++d up Labour are on Brexit.
Not at all, it just exemplifies how sensible he is.
Right so Today people cut ties, what is to say May won't cut ties too? They've only just done it themselves and some of them are right bloody next to Qatar.
World Cup will be interesting with these ongoing links...
Surely it was harder for those States to cut ties than it should have been for us to have done so already?
@Greenie Junior I'm glad you found comfort in her speech yesterday, but I'm afraid I didn't. Saying enough is enough, when you have presided over 7 years of cuts to the police and front-line services and when you continue to trade billions in arms to a State known to be encouraging and funding extreme fundamentalists, means absolutely nothing. In fact it actually takes us all, including the police, for absolute mugs!
She wants to act tough but hasn't previously and still doesn't way to actually pay for the resources to actually be tough.
I live in Peckham now mate - Harriet Harman is my local MP with a massive majority so my vote is essentially worthless. Have been sent to Oz last minute for work so trying to sort a proxy vote out so I can vote at all on Thursday, not that it'll matter much.
What is the solution suggested by Matt Hartley and Clive Efford for the forthcoming land border between the UK and the EU?
I actually contacted Matt Hartley a few weeks ago about a number of issues I had (Brexit, NHS, housing) and he got back to me and suggested we had a phone call and asked for my number and I completely forgot to get back to him, cheers for the reminder!
Right so Today people cut ties, what is to say May won't cut ties too? They've only just done it themselves and some of them are right bloody next to Qatar.
World Cup will be interesting with these ongoing links...
Surely it was harder for those States to cut ties than it should have been for us to have done so already?
@Greenie Junior I'm glad you found comfort in her speech yesterday, but I'm afraid I didn't. Saying enough is enough, when you have presided over 7 years of cuts to the police and front-line services and when you continue to trade billions in arms to a State known to be encouraging and funding extreme fundamentalists, means absolutely nothing. In fact it actually takes us all, including the police, for absolute mugs!
She wants to act tough but hasn't previously and still doesn't way to actually pay for the resources to actually be tough.
Agree totally, she said the right words but it is totally belied by her previous actions. All front from Theresa May. I am actually surprised that there aren't more calling for her resignation.
People really do need to watch this and listen to the whole interview. It really does blow May's platitudes to the four winds.
There are NO EXTRA police officers on the streets - they are existing officers having their leave cancelled and being moved from one borough to another.
There are NOT more armed police officers on the streets.
What is the solution suggested by Matt Hartley and Clive Efford for the forthcoming land border between the UK and the EU?
I actually contacted Matt Hartley a few weeks ago about a number of issues I had (Brexit, NHS, housing) and he got back to me and suggested we had a phone call and asked for my number and I completely forgot to get back to him, cheers for the reminder!
I have emailed Peter Fortune the Tory candidate in Lewisham East and heard nothing back, he also didn't attend the hustings last week. Mind you looking at the behaviour of Amber Rudd at her hustings and the absence of Theresa May in face to face debate (as well as not answering questions when they are put to her), add to it all the lack of costings in the Tory Party manifesto then it seems clear that Tory election policy is to say nothing and hope the stupid plebs vote to elect as vacuum. I don't believe Conservatism stands for anything more than being in charge because power for the sake of power is what thrills them.
One of the most worrying interviews I have seen during this whole election process. I saw it live on Sky and noticed that has not been repeated or reported on since. May was warned several times while she was HS and now as PM, and chose not to take any advice.
Look, this guy nails it, its not political, just bloody honesty, May can say 'enough is enough' and 'we are getting tough', but when its home grown Jihadis going round killing in the name of Islam, and the Police's main way to counter them is by local intelligence, and that intelligence cannot be collected because she had cut Police numbers by 20,000, then no wonder when people say 'I reported X to the police but nothing happened' - then this is why, theres not enough coppers to protect the nation, as far as I am concerned, May and her cronies are part of the bloody problem and they should hang their heads in shame.
One of the most worrying interviews I have seen during this whole election process. I saw it live on Sky and noticed that has not been repeated or reported on since. May was warned several times while she was HS and now as PM, and chose not to take any advice.
Look, this guy nails it, its not political, just bloody honesty, May can say 'enough is enough' and 'we are getting tough', but when its home grown Jihadis going round killing in the name of Islam, and the Police's main way to counter them is by local intelligence, and that intelligence cannot be collected because she had cut Police numbers by 20,000, then no wonder when people say 'I reported X to the police but nothing happened' - then this is why, theres not enough coppers to protect the nation, as far as I am concerned, May and her cronies are part of the bloody problem and they should hang their heads in shame.
Labour should be hammering this point over the next 3 days.
Not good viewing at all. You could argue that the majority of this country have not just woken up to the very real threat and seen the damage of under funding police can do, hopefully the government will now see that they simply have to fund extra officers. After yesterday's statement, I'd give them the chance to show this. Obviously this opinion could change in the coming days if nothing is done/pledged in the remaining days of the campaign.
I also think this should be seen, some quite worrying quotes on Corbyns stance with ISIS supporters, I understand what he's saying, but you have to make an exception with these people who show support on terror, I think the majority of the country will now agree that it should be a criminal offence. This for me sums my feelings of Corbyn, Abbott McDonnell etc up, they keep going back on their beliefs, Ira ("I don't have the same hair as I did then and I don't have the same views" - Abbott, Corbyn on trident, Corbyn on shoot to kill') id imagine he will be out swiftly to say his opinion has changed on this too. I feel as though he's hiding his true opinions and views to get into power and to me that's quite worrying.
20,000 fewer police, 38,000 fewer in the armed services, but according to May the answer to terrorism is spying on my internet history and somehow banning encryption (you know that stuff that allows online shopping and banking to work, that allows us to login to stuff without our password being passed around the internet as plain text). She hasn't a fucking clue, just cut cut cut and take away our rights and freedoms whenever possible.
All I've seen for the last few days on Facebook is people calling for everybody on the watchlists to be deported (the majority were born here, so no idea where you'd deport them to). People seem perfectly happy to set up a defacto police state where the government can put your name on a list and imprison or deport you without any judicial oversight, without ever having to prove to anybody but themselves that you've done anything wrong.
Seems that to protect our rights and freedoms people want us to give up all our rights and freedoms. That's why education is important and why the tories keep cutting funding to it, there is a serious lack of analytical thinking being done.
When asked by the nurse about public sector pay May said there has to be difficult choices. Such as a choice between sufficient police numbers or a Grammar school vanity project I suppose.
Not good viewing at all. You could argue that the majority of this country have not just woken up to the very real threat and seen the damage of under funding police can do, hopefully the government will now see that they simply have to fund extra officers. After yesterday's statement, I'd give them the chance to show this. Obviously this opinion could change in the coming days if nothing is done/pledged in the remaining days of the campaign.
I also think this should be seen, some quite worrying quotes on Corbyns stance with ISIS supporters, I understand what he's saying, but you have to make an exception with these people who show support on terror, I think the majority of the country will now agree that it should be a criminal offence. This for me sums my feelings of Corbyn, Abbott McDonnell etc up, they keep going back on their beliefs, Ira ("I don't have the same hair as I did then and I don't have the same views" - Abbott, Corbyn on trident, Corbyn on shoot to kill') id imagine he will be out swiftly to say his opinion has changed on this too. I feel as though he's hiding his true opinions and views to get into power and to me that's quite worrying.
Interesting spin by Order Order on what Corbyn says in that video.
It should also be noted that the Jihadis whom he's referring to were in the main encouraged by MI6 (while Cameron was Prime Minister) to fight in Syria and Libya to help in the overthrow of Assad and Gadaffi. And the same ones who returned to the UK and "lost" by MI5 (while May was Home Secretary), and who can't be tracked by the police or MI5 who are seriously underfunded (while May is Prime Minister).
Corbyn is right that those people breaking the law should be punished. It's just a shame that, because of Theresa May's lack of action there are so many of them, here in the UK.
However I would worry about whom Hilton would see in her place.
He is a dangerous nutter. Apparently as a Cameron adviser during the Coalition he decided that British people were too gloomy, because of the weather, and proposed having planes flying around trying to disperse clouds as they approached the UK. (Source, David Laws' book on the coalition)
Not good viewing at all. You could argue that the majority of this country have not just woken up to the very real threat and seen the damage of under funding police can do, hopefully the government will now see that they simply have to fund extra officers. After yesterday's statement, I'd give them the chance to show this. Obviously this opinion could change in the coming days if nothing is done/pledged in the remaining days of the campaign.
I also think this should be seen, some quite worrying quotes on Corbyns stance with ISIS supporters, I understand what he's saying, but you have to make an exception with these people who show support on terror, I think the majority of the country will now agree that it should be a criminal offence. This for me sums my feelings of Corbyn, Abbott McDonnell etc up, they keep going back on their beliefs, Ira ("I don't have the same hair as I did then and I don't have the same views" - Abbott, Corbyn on trident, Corbyn on shoot to kill') id imagine he will be out swiftly to say his opinion has changed on this too. I feel as though he's hiding his true opinions and views to get into power and to me that's quite worrying.
Interesting spin by Order Order on what Corbyn says in that video.
It should also be noted that the Jihadis whom he's referring to were in the main encouraged by MI6 (while Cameron was Prime Minister) to fight in Syria and Libya to help in the overthrow of Assad and Gadaffi. And the same ones who returned to the UK and "lost" by MI5 (while May was Home Secretary), and who can't be tracked by the police or MI5 who are seriously underfunded (while May is Prime Minister).
Corbyn is right that those people breaking the law should be punished. It's just a shame that, because of Theresa May's lack of action there are so many of them, here in the UK.
Whilst what you're saying is relevant, do the quotes not slightly worry you? Do you agree with this opinion that these Isis supporters shouldn't be treated like criminals for essentially expressing an opinion? (genuine question, not trying to go for you as such)
For everyone who thinks its easy balancing the books of a nation that the government inherited with a note saying "there is no money left" - I am curious to see how the political threads would look as the years roll by of a socialist government for the first time in many peoples (including myself) lifetime.
Shit will still be happening, there will still be poor people in society. We will still have strikes taking place as the unions exert their power. The well off will just be less well off.
Spoke to my Dad about what such a government was like, and it has certainly made me think even harder about what we could be waking up to at the weekend.
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His Private Members bill would have ensured that we would have a supporter in the boardroom at CAFC.
He is not a Corbynista either
@Rob7Lee He ignored you? I keep being told by Mike at the Long Pond that he regularly pops in for a beer and chats with anyone who accosts him.
I thought the local Tory was called Spencer Drury, what happened to him? Not deranged enough? :-)
World Cup will be interesting with these ongoing links...
Reckon she will?
@Greenie Junior I'm glad you found comfort in her speech yesterday, but I'm afraid I didn't. Saying enough is enough, when you have presided over 7 years of cuts to the police and front-line services and when you continue to trade billions in arms to a State known to be encouraging and funding extreme fundamentalists, means absolutely nothing. In fact it actually takes us all, including the police, for absolute mugs!
She wants to act tough but hasn't previously and still doesn't way to actually pay for the resources to actually be tough.
There are NO EXTRA police officers on the streets - they are existing officers having their leave cancelled and being moved from one borough to another.
There are NOT more armed police officers on the streets.
May and Rudd are simply lying about this.
Mind you looking at the behaviour of Amber Rudd at her hustings and the absence of Theresa May in face to face debate (as well as not answering questions when they are put to her), add to it all the lack of costings in the Tory Party manifesto then it seems clear that Tory election policy is to say nothing and hope the stupid plebs vote to elect as vacuum.
I don't believe Conservatism stands for anything more than being in charge because power for the sake of power is what thrills them.
I saw it live on Sky and noticed that has not been repeated or reported on since.
May was warned several times while she was HS and now as PM, and chose not to take any advice.
Look, this guy nails it, its not political, just bloody honesty, May can say 'enough is enough' and 'we are getting tough', but when its home grown Jihadis going round killing in the name of Islam, and the Police's main way to counter them is by local intelligence, and that intelligence cannot be collected because she had cut Police numbers by 20,000, then no wonder when people say 'I reported X to the police but nothing happened' - then this is why, theres not enough coppers to protect the nation, as far as I am concerned, May and her cronies are part of the bloody problem and they should hang their heads in shame.
I also think this should be seen, some quite worrying quotes on Corbyns stance with ISIS supporters, I understand what he's saying, but you have to make an exception with these people who show support on terror, I think the majority of the country will now agree that it should be a criminal offence. This for me sums my feelings of Corbyn, Abbott McDonnell etc up, they keep going back on their beliefs, Ira ("I don't have the same hair as I did then and I don't have the same views" - Abbott, Corbyn on trident, Corbyn on shoot to kill') id imagine he will be out swiftly to say his opinion has changed on this too. I feel as though he's hiding his true opinions and views to get into power and to me that's quite worrying.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/05/corbyn-defended-fighters-returning-from-syria/
All I've seen for the last few days on Facebook is people calling for everybody on the watchlists to be deported (the majority were born here, so no idea where you'd deport them to). People seem perfectly happy to set up a defacto police state where the government can put your name on a list and imprison or deport you without any judicial oversight, without ever having to prove to anybody but themselves that you've done anything wrong.
Seems that to protect our rights and freedoms people want us to give up all our rights and freedoms. That's why education is important and why the tories keep cutting funding to it, there is a serious lack of analytical thinking being done.
Such as a choice between sufficient police numbers or a Grammar school vanity project I suppose.
The woman took no responsibility while Home Secretary for 5 years and continues to dodge it now!
Technical point that, getting the facts right.
It should also be noted that the Jihadis whom he's referring to were in the main encouraged by MI6 (while Cameron was Prime Minister) to fight in Syria and Libya to help in the overthrow of Assad and Gadaffi. And the same ones who returned to the UK and "lost" by MI5 (while May was Home Secretary), and who can't be tracked by the police or MI5 who are seriously underfunded (while May is Prime Minister).
Corbyn is right that those people breaking the law should be punished. It's just a shame that, because of Theresa May's lack of action there are so many of them, here in the UK.
He is a dangerous nutter. Apparently as a Cameron adviser during the Coalition he decided that British people were too gloomy, because of the weather, and proposed having planes flying around trying to disperse clouds as they approached the UK. (Source, David Laws' book on the coalition)
Shit will still be happening, there will still be poor people in society. We will still have strikes taking place as the unions exert their power. The well off will just be less well off.
Spoke to my Dad about what such a government was like, and it has certainly made me think even harder about what we could be waking up to at the weekend.