The General Election - June 8th 2017
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Well yes - better anyway - from what he has said about not walking away with no deal! It is important! By the way, if anybody wants the most impressive business cards known to man - we now do 3d spot UV printing lol - sorry no more plugs!Rob7Lee said:
And you think JC will be good at those negotiations?MuttleyCAFC said:
May will be a complete disaster in Brexit negotiations and that will affect our business.Rob7Lee said:
Think that's part of the problem these days for a lot of politicians and I put both May & Corbyn in that, as I first posted on this thread weeks ago, sadly IMHO we all have to decide who we think is the least worst to vote for, or you hold your nose and simply vote local as to who you think will do the best job in your own constituency.MuttleyCAFC said:Well we need a competent one and that isn't May. Like I said, you can go back in my history and see me praising Cameron - May is a disaster and so would a tory landslide be.
Im starting to feel like Bob, it's all so depressing...... I'll be glad when the elections over and football starts again ..... then again right now I'm not particularly looking forward to another dull season.3 -
Yeah. It is.Rob7Lee said:
It's really no different to 15-20 years ago, in fact it's probably slightly better now. Bromley borough back then at night (post 11pm) used to have 2 officers in the station and 4-6 out on the road, that was it for the whole borough. If anything kicked off at a pub/club etc the TSG were called in from the old kent road, if they weren't knee deep in punches at the Gin Palace......Bournemouth Addick said:I'm not really that comfortable with all the parties trying to score political points over the weekend's event and had no intention of doing so myself but seeing that snivelling, duplicitous performance from a no-entity of a Culture Secretary, Karen Bradley this morning I've chahcned my mind. Why btw did the Tories send out the fecking Culture Secretary to answer questions about security and the police?
Everyone should pay attention to what this guy is saying.
I've said before I am in regular contact with coppers on a social and professional basis. The general public, even in a major tourist town like Bournemouth, would be shocked at just how few officers are available at certain times.SELR_addicks said:
And it's not just cuts to direct policing that impacts on crime and our safety either. Cutting funding to youth or community projects that might have a led to young person engaging in a positive way rather than getting involved in street crime or gang culture, for example. Privatisation, downskilling and downsizing our probation service is unlikely to lead to improving reoffending rates imo and maybe a more experienced officer with a manageable workload is more attuned to an offender open to radicalism?7 -
Perhaps you should consider switching your attention to expert women Norn?NornIrishAddick said:
No, once someone is no longer pert they are not worthy of our attention...Super_Eddie_Youds said:http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/guws3cyv3ctq9g7vg754p2zyymvc2f
though i forget, this time around - are we allowed to listen to experts or are we not?
Which may go some way to explain my social life.1 -
Don't disagree but we were talking about how few officers are on at certain times, I was simply stating that is no different to 15+ years ago. you've turned my comment into a whole other issue.... you aren't a politician are you?Bournemouth Addick said:
Yeah. It is.Rob7Lee said:
It's really no different to 15-20 years ago, in fact it's probably slightly better now. Bromley borough back then at night (post 11pm) used to have 2 officers in the station and 4-6 out on the road, that was it for the whole borough. If anything kicked off at a pub/club etc the TSG were called in from the old kent road, if they weren't knee deep in punches at the Gin Palace......Bournemouth Addick said:I'm not really that comfortable with all the parties trying to score political points over the weekend's event and had no intention of doing so myself but seeing that snivelling, duplicitous performance from a no-entity of a Culture Secretary, Karen Bradley this morning I've chahcned my mind. Why btw did the Tories send out the fecking Culture Secretary to answer questions about security and the police?
Everyone should pay attention to what this guy is saying.
I've said before I am in regular contact with coppers on a social and professional basis. The general public, even in a major tourist town like Bournemouth, would be shocked at just how few officers are available at certain times.SELR_addicks said:
And it's not just cuts to direct policing that impacts on crime and our safety either. Cutting funding to youth or community projects that might have a led to young person engaging in a positive way rather than getting involved in street crime or gang culture, for example. Privatisation, downskilling and downsizing our probation service is unlikely to lead to improving reoffending rates imo and maybe a more experienced officer with a manageable workload is more attuned to an offender open to radicalism?
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Rob7Lee
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MuttleyCAFC said:
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May will be a complete disaster in Brexit negotiations and that will affect our business.
And you think JC will be good at those negotiations?
Corbyn will not be doing the negotiating, Keir Starmer will be in charge and a fine job he would make of it as well.
Thankfully May will not negotiate either as she will also delegate. I hope it is not Amber Rudd or Karen Bradley!6 -
Boris!?!thewolfboy said:Rob7Lee
2:53PM
MuttleyCAFC said:
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May will be a complete disaster in Brexit negotiations and that will affect our business.
And you think JC will be good at those negotiations?
Corbyn will not be doing the negotiating, Keir Starmer will be in charge and a fine job he would make of it as well.
Thankfully May will not negotiate either as she will also delegate. I hope it is not Amber Rudd or Karen Bradley!4 -
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lol - not Boris - May or Boris - what a choice it is like being asked if you want to be hit over the head with a cricket bat or baseball bat!2
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I thiught David Davis was Brexit SecRob7Lee said:
Boris!?!thewolfboy said:Rob7Lee
2:53PM
MuttleyCAFC said:
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May will be a complete disaster in Brexit negotiations and that will affect our business.
And you think JC will be good at those negotiations?
Corbyn will not be doing the negotiating, Keir Starmer will be in charge and a fine job he would make of it as well.
Thankfully May will not negotiate either as she will also delegate. I hope it is not Amber Rudd or Karen Bradley!0 -
Interesting apology and U-Turn by RICHARD MURPHY From Tax Research (he now supports Corbyn)
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/06/05/to-jeremy-corbyn-an-apology/
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No. You are wrong about both policing numbers, which reached a peak in 2009 and that I'm changing the subject. I mentioned cuts to other public services impacting on crime in my earlier post.. which you edited out of the quote above for some reason.Rob7Lee said:
Don't disagree but we were talking about how few officers are on at certain times, I was simply stating that is no different to 15+ years ago. you've turned my comment into a whole other issue.... you aren't a politician are you?Bournemouth Addick said:
Yeah. It is.Rob7Lee said:
It's really no different to 15-20 years ago, in fact it's probably slightly better now. Bromley borough back then at night (post 11pm) used to have 2 officers in the station and 4-6 out on the road, that was it for the whole borough. If anything kicked off at a pub/club etc the TSG were called in from the old kent road, if they weren't knee deep in punches at the Gin Palace......Bournemouth Addick said:I'm not really that comfortable with all the parties trying to score political points over the weekend's event and had no intention of doing so myself but seeing that snivelling, duplicitous performance from a no-entity of a Culture Secretary, Karen Bradley this morning I've chahcned my mind. Why btw did the Tories send out the fecking Culture Secretary to answer questions about security and the police?
Everyone should pay attention to what this guy is saying.
I've said before I am in regular contact with coppers on a social and professional basis. The general public, even in a major tourist town like Bournemouth, would be shocked at just how few officers are available at certain times.SELR_addicks said:
And it's not just cuts to direct policing that impacts on crime and our safety either. Cutting funding to youth or community projects that might have a led to young person engaging in a positive way rather than getting involved in street crime or gang culture, for example. Privatisation, downskilling and downsizing our probation service is unlikely to lead to improving reoffending rates imo and maybe a more experienced officer with a manageable workload is more attuned to an offender open to radicalism?1 -
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From internet - not me
This morning the Establishment media has been desperately trying to exploit the weekend’s terrible events by reviving smears against Jeremy Corbyn.
But on Sunday former Tory Cabinet Minister Ian Duncan Smith [IDS] made an astonishing, but little remarked-upon, admission on national radio that put the responsibility for the UK’s vulnerability to terrorist atrocities firmly on the shoulders of the Prime Minister.
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Theresa May and Ian Duncan Smith
Speaking to Radio 4’s The World This Weekend programme, he raised – unprompted – the topic of TPIMs.
‘TPIM’ refers to the Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011 – legislation brought in by the coalition government to replace Labour’s ‘control orders’. Control orders allowed a Home Secretary to order a restriction of the liberty of a terror suspect in order to “protect members of the public from a risk of terrorism”.
And IDS’s remarkable admission was this: he and Theresa May both knew that the new legislation had ‘watered down’ the old ‘control order’ too much:
Smith admitted:
One of the things I know I was concerned about in coalition, and I know Theresa May was when she was Home Secretary was,.. the TPIM order that gives those powers was watered down and I think it was weakened too much.
This incredible comment passed without further examination by the interviewer. But it is a flat-out admission that May knew the anti-terror laws she had brought in were not fit for purpose.
Now, if you wished to be extremely generous to May, you might argue that she couldn’t strengthen the laws in coalition because the LibDems might not accept it. Unlikely, but possible.
But May was Home Secretary for fourteen months in a majority Conservative government and then Prime Minister for a further 11 months – and did nothing to correct what she knew to be inadequate control of terror suspects.
Nothing.
This is on top of police cuts that she was warned put our population at risk – by police, security experts and Jeremy Corbyn, who yesterday gave a Prime Ministerial speech about security that has been ignored by the BBC and most of the mainstream media.
There simply is no excuse – and only one place for the electorate to put the responsibility – not for the loss of life directly, nobody but the terrorists bears that – but for weakening both law and the police and security services that increased our vulnerability to such attacks.9 -
Unless Ricky you live in a constituency where Labour were beaten in 2015 into fourth place on 4611 votes behind the eventual winners the Tories on 19000 votes.Callumcafc said:
Then the only vote that's will keep May out is a vote for the Lib Dems. which is where anyone living in that constituency should be putting their X. Voting for Labour under those circumstances is pissing in the wind.
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Phillip Hammond too.Chizz said:
The mood music used to be 'at least the Tories are good with money if nothing else'. Well he is the Chancellor, one of the great offices of state. Where has he been during this campaign?1 -
I was answering a specific point made of how few officers are available at certain times and how this in my view is no different to 15 years ago citing the example of Bromley borough that I gave.Bournemouth Addick said:
No. You are wrong about both policing numbers, which reached a peak in 2009 and that I'm changing the subject. I mentioned cuts to other public services impacting on crime in my earlier post.. which you edited out of the quote above for some reason.Rob7Lee said:
Don't disagree but we were talking about how few officers are on at certain times, I was simply stating that is no different to 15+ years ago. you've turned my comment into a whole other issue.... you aren't a politician are you?Bournemouth Addick said:
Yeah. It is.Rob7Lee said:
It's really no different to 15-20 years ago, in fact it's probably slightly better now. Bromley borough back then at night (post 11pm) used to have 2 officers in the station and 4-6 out on the road, that was it for the whole borough. If anything kicked off at a pub/club etc the TSG were called in from the old kent road, if they weren't knee deep in punches at the Gin Palace......Bournemouth Addick said:I'm not really that comfortable with all the parties trying to score political points over the weekend's event and had no intention of doing so myself but seeing that snivelling, duplicitous performance from a no-entity of a Culture Secretary, Karen Bradley this morning I've chahcned my mind. Why btw did the Tories send out the fecking Culture Secretary to answer questions about security and the police?
Everyone should pay attention to what this guy is saying.
I've said before I am in regular contact with coppers on a social and professional basis. The general public, even in a major tourist town like Bournemouth, would be shocked at just how few officers are available at certain times.SELR_addicks said:
And it's not just cuts to direct policing that impacts on crime and our safety either. Cutting funding to youth or community projects that might have a led to young person engaging in a positive way rather than getting involved in street crime or gang culture, for example. Privatisation, downskilling and downsizing our probation service is unlikely to lead to improving reoffending rates imo and maybe a more experienced officer with a manageable workload is more attuned to an offender open to radicalism?
On Police numbers in general there are broadly the same number of officers in the UK now as in 2002 (yes I agree it was higher in 2009), as well as officers there are slightly less 'police staff' but then we also have PCSO's that in 2002 we didn't. Maybe this will help;
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Looks a big drop from 2010 in a more dangerous world!1
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Running the economy I expect. I bet Corbyn wishes Abbott had gone missing, but no such luck.....seth plum said:
Phillip Hammond too.Chizz said:
The mood music used to be 'at least the Tories are good with money if nothing else'. Well he is the Chancellor, one of the great offices of state. Where has he been during this campaign?1 -
She hasn't been too prominent. I bet the Tories wished May had gone missing!1
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I think the real issue is that since 7/7 this government has actively reduced both the overall number of police on the streets but also the number of fire arms officers.
We are continually being told that "we are at war" and if Teresa May actually subscribes to that then she is not only incompetent but negligent in her duty in protecting the public.
If this had gone on under a labour time in office the Tories would be screaming that only they are the party of law and order. What a joke.7 - Sponsored links:
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Agree, I only said numbers were broadly the same as 15 years ago. That said 2007 was high.....MuttleyCAFC said:Looks a big drop from 2010 in a more dangerous world!
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Glad you agree, because I don't think it is defensible. If May doesn't get hammered by the rubbish she is spouting going against the facts we can see how corrupt our media is! Sorry, but I am beyond angry at the contempt she has for the intelligence of the British people!0
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That's another absolute stinker of a decision. I'd forgotten the desert is playing host to the World Cup in 2022.PragueAddick said:Eltham MP making the right points re Qatar
The upsides are clear. Play it in the summer in heat of 40 odd degrees, putting players' health at risk. Or play it in the winter completely disrupting the global domestic calendar of football.
Plus only a few hundred immigrants have had to die to get it to Qatar.....FIFA have got a lot to answer for
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Anyone know anything about labours planned rent caps?0
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They will be worn at a jaunty angle apparently.Rob7Lee said:Anyone know anything about labours planned rent caps?
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I don't kid myself that the streets of London will be any safer under Labour than the tories. Unfortunately there will be atrocities in the future no matter who is in charge. Even with more cops on the streets there will be terrorist attacks. There are just too many jihadist nutters out there, plus other extremists, who can now use ordinary transport and knives to cause murder mayhem as opposed to using harder to obtain guns or bombs. What gripes with me is Mrs May on her high horse trying to make out that we should trust her when she has previously undermined the police by her cuts as Home Secretary. I note that Corbyn has had to firm up a commitment for the police to shoot on sight in 'certain' situations. That is quite a move by him and a sign that he can compromise his ideals, which is important as a potential (if unlikely) PM.2
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So how come when Corbyn changes his minds on policies it is seen as an important quality as a leader in compromisingthewolfboy said:I don't kid myself that the streets of London will be any safer under Labour than the tories. Unfortunately there will be atrocities in the future no matter who is in charge. Even with more cops on the streets there will be terrorist attacks. There are just too many jihadist nutters out there, plus other extremists, who can now use ordinary transport and knives to cause murder mayhem as opposed to using harder to obtain guns or bombs. What gripes with me is Mrs May on her high horse trying to make out that we should trust her when she has previously undermined the police by her cuts as Home Secretary. I note that Corbyn has had to firm up a commitment for the police to shoot on sight in 'certain' situations. That is quite a move by him and a sign that he can compromise his ideals, which is important as a potential (if unlikely) PM.
And when the Tories do it, its seen as weak and backtracking?1 -
Just that they will be linked to inflation.Rob7Lee said:Anyone know anything about labours planned rent caps?
edit: after a bit of a google, three year contracts as the norm and and end to tenant fees.1 -
Holiday with Liam Fox. 6 weeks in the Cotswolds, away from anyone likely to be earning less than £30k a year so they can cleanse themselvesChizz said:2 -
DamoNorthStand said:
So how come when Corbyn changes his minds on policies it is seen as an important quality as a leader in compromisingthewolfboy said:I don't kid myself that the streets of London will be any safer under Labour than the tories. Unfortunately there will be atrocities in the future no matter who is in charge. Even with more cops on the streets there will be terrorist attacks. There are just too many jihadist nutters out there, plus other extremists, who can now use ordinary transport and knives to cause murder mayhem as opposed to using harder to obtain guns or bombs. What gripes with me is Mrs May on her high horse trying to make out that we should trust her when she has previously undermined the police by her cuts as Home Secretary. I note that Corbyn has had to firm up a commitment for the police to shoot on sight in 'certain' situations. That is quite a move by him and a sign that he can compromise his ideals, which is important as a potential (if unlikely) PM.
And when the Tories do it, its seen as weak and backtracking?
I don't think anybody has ever backtracked so quickly after a manifesto pledge. It is different if people's views change with experience and time.DamoNorthStand said:
So how come when Corbyn changes his minds on policies it is seen as an important quality as a leader in compromisingthewolfboy said:I don't kid myself that the streets of London will be any safer under Labour than the tories. Unfortunately there will be atrocities in the future no matter who is in charge. Even with more cops on the streets there will be terrorist attacks. There are just too many jihadist nutters out there, plus other extremists, who can now use ordinary transport and knives to cause murder mayhem as opposed to using harder to obtain guns or bombs. What gripes with me is Mrs May on her high horse trying to make out that we should trust her when she has previously undermined the police by her cuts as Home Secretary. I note that Corbyn has had to firm up a commitment for the police to shoot on sight in 'certain' situations. That is quite a move by him and a sign that he can compromise his ideals, which is important as a potential (if unlikely) PM.
And when the Tories do it, its seen as weak and backtracking?
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