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The General Election - June 8th 2017
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Yer she's a great leader for the Scottish Tories, but she needs to make the difficult move to Westminster if she ever wants to make a leadership bid, and despite recent trends running in a seat in Scotland as a Tory is never a sure thing.MuttleyCAFC said:The one person I fear is Ruth Davidson. Boris fighting the next election - bring him and it on.
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Theresa May wants to do the country a favour and stay on. With Brexit talks starting on Monday week she reckons we need her more than ever.
After all, the EU is undemocratic.9 -
And that is the Tory problem. She is the only credible leader they have who can reach out to more voters. How do they get her in aposyion to fight the next election which I am sure will be this year. It won't be easy at all, and she may not even want to do it.0
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Well, DUP are the only pro-Brexit party in Northern Ireland, and at least some of their members are completely happy with the idea of a hard Brexit.BR7_addick said:
Thanks for that, I read also that's DUP would be wary of a hard Brexit for the sake of unity with the border, it's all a bit confusing right now! This is no dig at any labour supporter but they seem all very excited to me but I'm not sure why, again not a dig just an observation.NornIrishAddick said:
The rough equivalent to the Tories in Northern Ireland would have been the UUP.BR7_addick said:If someone could shed some light in as neutral fashion as possible because my knowledge on the DUP is little to none, but are not like Northern Ireland's Tory with a hint of UKIP anyway? So such a coalition is all the same?! Genuine question. (See attached)
The DUP are (much) more socially conservative - so they would chime with some of the older Tory supporters.
I don'treally think it would be that comfortable a coalition prospect, but this is more down to personnel than to ideology (some of their MPs I quite like, others I either don't trust or dislike).
One key difference, in the case of the person winning the South Belfast seat, captured from the SDLP, is that a DUP candidate can be endorsed by the political wing of the UDA - I'm ot so sure that that would sit too comfortably with law and order Conservatives.
In the end, the question that has to be asked is whether a coalition is worthwhile or desirable, because I would expect the DUP to extract a price.
It's not much of a help, but I can see a situation where we find ourselves at the end of the 2 year negotiation period allowed under Article 50 without any sort of agreement (even or especially in relation to a transitional arrangement).5 -
Hard Brexit Tories will rally around May. Those like IDS and his ilk. Sounds ok for her but there will be other Tories seeing this as their chance and will be plotting and trying to find support. I can see Boris keeping his head down for a while now and waiting for the first opportunity to make his move.1
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Kenneth Clarke will secretly not be minding this.2
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"The Christmas party". Is that the one that the turkeys voted for?Rob7Lee said:
She won't make the Christmas party....... suspect she'll stay to form a government but won't be leader by 2018.seth plum said:She intends to stay on.
This country is royally in a mess.......
@DamoNorthStand how's the job in America looking now?0 -
One I suspect universally positive thing is the weakening of Scottish Democrats much reduces risks attached to another Scottish Independence vote over next few years.
With a potential tie up with the DUP, I suspect the most likely softening of Brexit aspect will be in relation to the freedom of movement. Ironically, I suspect that is the one aspect that those voting Brexit (and a number of those who didn't ) were most keen on.3 -
Labour was never going to win enough seats in this election to form a credible government. This is a massive result for them. I don't need to argue with people who might say they still lost. This exceeded my expectations and has set the possibility for a Labour Government in months rather than having to wait 5 years. A lot of work still has to be done and a lot of Tory in fighting and desperate clinging to power will only help.10
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The other key positive is that the impact and influence of Rupert Murdoch (and to a lesser extent Trevor Kavanagh) on the United Kingdom continues to erode.20
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Well this is as good a news as I could have expected !. I'm guessing now she gets pushed, Boris comes in and Corbyn takes him in the next election0
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Can't be any harm in having the only part of the country that will share a land border with Europe once Brexit happens at the top table in my opinion.
Which ironically is the complete opposite of what Theresa May wanted.0 -
Less and less people are reading newspapers, social media is where it's at.AFKABartram said:The other key positive is that the impact and influence of Rupert Murdoch (and to a lesser extent Trevor Kavanagh) on the United Kingdom continues to erode.
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Good morning.
I've had many, many crap ones in recent times.
This is a good one.
CAFC. Phoenix.
Hope. Phoenix.
Socialism. Phoenix.
Tories. Phhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......
Good morning!7 -
1% of families and Corporations own 48% of the world's income and they are not content with that. Lob old Rupert in that. They are using politics to achieve their ends. This has ramifications for the world. There was a similar issue in the states where Sanders fought against Clinton for the nomination. He was fiddled out of victory. He is probably the most popular politician in America at the moment. This movement is not just fighting on one front. Those of us that support it were not expecting instant victory, we see it as a battle. But we are on our way to a better world.
Thank you agent May - you played a blinder.4 -
I have been glued to that in the last week. In hope rather than in expectation.C_A_F_C said:It's worth looking at the widely panned (including by me) YouGov model which predicted a Hung Parliament
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/
Could Labour gain Canterbury?1 -
Proud to be a Londoner more than ever.13
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Yes, proud of London, proud of Corbyn, proud of the young who have started to find their voice and excited about the future.9
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You do realise anyone who earns more than circa £26k is in the top 1% in the world on income....... So that's most Nurses, Teachers, Policeman etc etc. Are you suggesting now they need to have their incoems reduced and some of that given to the 99%MuttleyCAFC said:1% of families and Corporations own 48% of the worlds income and they are not content with that. Lob old Rupert in that. They are using politics to achieve their ends. This has ramifications for the world. There was a similar issue in the states where Sanders fought against Clinton for the nomination. He was fiddled out of victory. He is probably the most popular politician in America at the moment. This movement is not just fighting on one front. Those of us that support it were not expecting instant victory, we see it as a battle. But we are on our way to a better world.
Thank you agent May - you played a blinder.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp1 -
It does seem we are in chaos starting with Dave's decision to call a referendum. The worst thing the Tories could do now is make Bojo leader so I assume this is what they'll do.
Corbyn whatever you think of him at least has ideas whereas the current Tory leadership seems bereft of them and reliant on negative campaigning. Labour has used social media far more effectively.
No real winners here but I hope the constant veer towards right wing policies will at least stop.
The British economy remains in a mess.2 -
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Everyone at my work voted conservative except me (Labour). Looks like I'll have an interesting meeting with my boss at 11am, just seen the agenda and it's got 'Discuss Politics' on it.
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The one politician who came in for the most fearful bashing - Diane Abbott - has been re-elected by the largest majority anywhere in the UK.18
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The Peace in Ireland is now much more secure as the DUP will insist on an open border which requires a soft Brexit.2
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Beat me to it mate. Though there are plenty of lies available there, at least you can counter it if you can stomach being friends with the kind of idiot that peddles the BS.guinnessaddick said:
Less and less people are reading newspapers, social media is where it's at.AFKABartram said:The other key positive is that the impact and influence of Rupert Murdoch (and to a lesser extent Trevor Kavanagh) on the United Kingdom continues to erode.
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I would imagine the headline in the Daily Mash to be something like "Britain still not 100% C**ts"
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Looks Iike the result has been driven by turnout, which in turn was driven by an engaged youth vote. That is healthy.13
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Is this actually true? I thought I heard just now on the Today programme that many in the DUP want the opposit and a return to "proper" borders with fences, border posts and whatnot?MuttleyCAFC said:The Peace in Ireland is now much more secure as the DUP will insist on an open border which requires a soft Brexit.
Might have been talking about someone else tbf it's been a long night...0 -
Hard to get that excited given the mess the country is in and the massive divide that exists. London seems completely at odds with much of the rest of the country which is not a good thing.MuttleyCAFC said:Yes, proud of London, proud of Corbyn, proud of the young who have started to find their voice and excited about the future.
Large parts of the former industrial heartlands are still losing out - not sure how this will be addressed.
The Tories look bankrupt in terms of ideas at present but getting us out of this mess will be a real challenge. Have to wait and see what happens.
Corbyn's campaign was certainly well thought out and looking to the future.0 -
What are we so upset about? A great election.
Scotland staying in the Union secure
Peace process in Northern Ireland secure
Hard Brexit dead
These things will shine through when the dust settles.3 -
Mrs Plum is of the opinion that Theresa May put her party before the country, and herself before the party.
In my view power is so seductive that May will explore every option to cling on, but it won't be for the good of the country that's for sure.13
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