To be fair I didn't post that Tweet because I agreed with it but when May does get her landslide and we get multiple crises across public services, defence, the NHS, education etc., it will be what the country emphatically voted for.
When has anyone had to "justify" where their vote is going? I remember when it was considered rude to ask soneobe who they voted for, much like how much money they earned
This has really pissed me off. I'm a lifelong labour voter and until recently a member. Regional chair of a Trade Union and worked for the NHS until I retired late last year. I think my "socialist" credentials are pretty solid.
I'm struggling to vote labour this time around because I think the leader and his front bench are damned well incompetent and I really would worry if any of them were anywhere near leading the country. I don't agree with Corbyn's stance on an independent nuclear deterrent or his pathetic wishy washy attitude to Brexit which to me should be the rallying point for any sensible politician to make a stand against the lunacy of Article 50.
I resent the assertion that not voting labour makes me a Tory. It doesn't and never will.
The horrific thought of a massive conservative majority is what will probably steer my vote not the lecturing by some arrogant tosser on social media.
I take it you meant Fiiish's post has pissed you off Shootie?
To be fair I didn't post that Tweet because I agreed with it but when May does get her landslide and we get multiple crises across public services, defence, the NHS, education etc., it will be what the country emphatically voted for.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. To quote Joseph de Maistre:
I genuinely don't know why anyone would want to be a politician when I look at the week Abbott is having.
If they work hard and take the job seriously I can't see any reason why they (she) shouldn't know the ins and outs on the main policies her party are putting forward, specially when the policies in question, are a fundamental part of the department you are in charge of.
Incidentally, this is the Shadow Foreign Secretary failing to answer a simple question about her French counterpart. Then she accuses DM of pickin on her ffs, you can't make it up.
Yes, as much as I hate the Tories right now it doesn't change the fact that most of the Labour front bench is a shower of shit. Beds would be right at home.
Yes, as much as I hate the Tories right now it doesn't change the fact that most of the Labour front bench is a shower of shit. Beds would be right at home.
If you must know I totally agree with you but don't let that stop you having yet another sarcastic dig.
The media would like you to believe Corbyn is unelectable, yet he has held his seat since 1986... go figure.
HaHa - and this line......you know, and I know and we all know we mean as PM. I am willing to bet a nice few quid Saga, that Corbyn will not be PM, if as you say you believe he is electable than make a wager.
Not sure she ever had it but what planet is she on this week!!
Why say you think net losses are at 50 and then slightly later say 100?
Cos she's an complete charlatan, who's now getting found out practically every every day.
But wouldn't you stick with the "last information I had, which was some time ago, was 50" .
Plenty of charlatans on all sides of the house though.
Whatever way you swing, I personally can not remember a cabinet or shadow cabinet, be it Tory or Labour, having two totally inept people in what is probably the two most important jobs (along with COTE) and yes, that includes BoJo imo
Incidentally, this is the Shadow Foreign Secretary failing to answer a simple question about her French counterpart. Then she accuses DM of pickin on her ffs, you can't make it up.
Incidentally, this is the Shadow Foreign Secretary failing to answer a simple question about her French counterpart. Then she accuses DM of pickin on her ffs, you can't make it up.
Not sure she ever had it but what planet is she on this week!!
Why say you think net losses are at 50 and then slightly later say 100?
Cos she's an complete charlatan, who's now getting found out practically every every day.
But wouldn't you stick with the "last information I had, which was some time ago, was 50" .
Plenty of charlatans on all sides of the house though.
Whatever way you swing, I personally can not remember a cabinet or shadow cabinet, be it Tory or Labour, having two totally inept people in what is probably the two most important jobs (along with COTE) and yes, that includes BoJo imo
Not sure she ever had it but what planet is she on this week!!
Why say you think net losses are at 50 and then slightly later say 100?
Cos she's an complete charlatan, who's now getting found out practically every every day.
But wouldn't you stick with the "last information I had, which was some time ago, was 50" .
Plenty of charlatans on all sides of the house though.
Whatever way you swing, I personally can not remember a cabinet or shadow cabinet, be it Tory or Labour, having two totally inept people in what is probably the two most important jobs (along with COTE) and yes, that includes BoJo imo
And then you have Tim Farron.
William Daniels is to KITT from Night Rider, what Owen Jones is to Tim Farron. Have a listen
The media would like you to believe Corbyn is unelectable, yet he has held his seat since 1986... go figure.
HaHa - and this line......you know, and I know and we all know we mean as PM. I am willing to bet a nice few quid Saga, that Corbyn will not be PM, if as you say you believe he is electable than make a wager.
I know I look like I've got a lot of money, but really I haven't. I'll bet you a pint though. ;-)
If you are dissatisfied with the choice, then turn up and write "you are all tossers" on you ballot box.
The thing is that does nothing. It just gets logged as a spoilt ballot paper. So no one and, in particular, the candidates and their parties know whether you've made a derogatory remark or just been an idiot and put a cross in too many boxes by mistake.
Wrong. The candidates and their agents have the right to inspect the spoiled ballot papers, and often do, particularly if it's looking close. In the 2015 election, someone drew a spunking cock next to a Tory candidate's name, and on further inspection it was deemed to be a valid vote for him as it didn't exceed the margins of the voting box and there weren't any other marks on the paper. Also the occasional "green biro brigade" spoiled ballot is a moment of light relief for the people actually doing the counting.
Just seen report on the latest ONS statistics on household incomes.
Working earnings of the poorest fifth households before tax and benefits was £7,153 per household (an increase of 16.4%) with an additional £7,612 of cash benefits being given to cover housing, tax credits, pensions and other support, giving average total income before tax of £14,765 per household in that category.
The official figures for the same category shows state benefits, including education and healthcare, amount to £15,198 p.a. per household.
Average wages increased by 1.8% above inflation.
Unemployment fell from 5.6% to 5.1%. (5% is reckoned to be the lowest figure an economy can expect to reach if there is a turnover of businesses failing and being created)
The value of benefits in kind - education and healthcare was valued at £7,586 p.a per household across the board.
The inequality gap closed marginally, higher earners still enjoyed increased wages and benefits with the highest earners now earning 12 times the lowest earners, the ratio having previously been 14:1.
Nothing to crow about, but is there really enough there that fits the picture of the poor being deliberately ground into the dirt by the government. Is it better or worse than 10 years ago?
Voters not choosing Labour might just understand that structural problems affecting funding for public services, housing and homelessness are not actually created as part of government policy, as we are led to believe.
The snowflakes who need to create ideological distance between themselves and the Tories need to go so far left they are falling in line behind behind Momentum inspired ideals but don't have the balls to back the real idealists behind Corbyn and Dianne Abbot to see them through, because they only talk about being socialist.
The only way of registering their socialist liberal credentials without actually doing anything, is to go on social media giving vent to their outrage pretending they believe Theresa May and her cohorts are to the right of Attila the Hun conspiring with the World Lizards to kill poor people and rule the World for the benefit of Donald Trump and the super rich. Just like the rant tweeted above by a rabid anti Tory, they start to believe their own propaganda.
Yes, as much as I hate the Tories right now it doesn't change the fact that most of the Labour front bench is a shower of shit. Beds would be right at home.
If you must know I totally agree with you but don't let that stop you having yet another sarcastic dig.
I don't think you understand what sarcasm is. Thanks for the flag though, clearly you're allowed to make digs at me but I can't respond in kind. Stick to the films mate.
Just seen report on the latest ONS statistics on household incomes.
Working earnings of the poorest fifth households before tax and benefits was £7,153 per household (an increase of 16.4%) with an additional £7,612 of cash benefits being given to cover housing, tax credits, pensions and other support, giving average total income before tax of £14,765 per household in that category.
The official figures for the same category shows state benefits, including education and healthcare, amount to £15,198 p.a. per household.
Average wages increased by 1.8% above inflation.
Unemployment fell from 5.6% to 5.1%. (5% is reckoned to be the lowest figure an economy can expect to reach if there is a turnover of businesses failing and being created)
The value of benefits in kind - education and healthcare was valued at £7,586 p.a per household across the board.
The inequality gap closed marginally, higher earners still enjoyed increased wages and benefits with the highest earners now earning 12 times the lowest earners, the ratio having previously been 14:1.
Nothing to crow about, but is there really enough there that fits the picture of the poor being deliberately ground into the dirt by the government. Is it better or worse than 10 years ago?
Voters not choosing Labour might just understand that structural problems affecting funding for public services, housing and homelessness are not actually created as part of government policy, as we are led to believe.
The snowflakes who need to create ideological distance between themselves and the Tories need to go so far left they are falling in line behind behind Momentum inspired ideals but don't have the balls to back the real idealists behind Corbyn and Dianne Abbot to see them through, because they only talk about being socialist.
The only way of registering their socialist liberal credentials without actually doing anything, is to go on social media giving vent to their outrage pretending they believe Theresa May and her cohorts are to the right of Attila the Hun conspiring with the World Lizards to kill poor people and rule the World for the benefit of Donald Trump and the super rich. Just like the rant tweeted above by a rabid anti Tory, they start to believe their own propaganda.
Re the plp corbyns poll ratings are what made them bail as he is fundamentally unelectable and crosses too many red lines both in style and substance for anyone over labours core 30% base. Unfair in my view to blame the plp.
Just seen report on the latest ONS statistics on household incomes.
Working earnings of the poorest fifth households before tax and benefits was £7,153 per household (an increase of 16.4%) with an additional £7,612 of cash benefits being given to cover housing, tax credits, pensions and other support, giving average total income before tax of £14,765 per household in that category.
The official figures for the same category shows state benefits, including education and healthcare, amount to £15,198 p.a. per household.
Average wages increased by 1.8% above inflation.
Unemployment fell from 5.6% to 5.1%. (5% is reckoned to be the lowest figure an economy can expect to reach if there is a turnover of businesses failing and being created)
The value of benefits in kind - education and healthcare was valued at £7,586 p.a per household across the board.
The inequality gap closed marginally, higher earners still enjoyed increased wages and benefits with the highest earners now earning 12 times the lowest earners, the ratio having previously been 14:1.
Nothing to crow about, but is there really enough there that fits the picture of the poor being deliberately ground into the dirt by the government. Is it better or worse than 10 years ago?
Voters not choosing Labour might just understand that structural problems affecting funding for public services, housing and homelessness are not actually created as part of government policy, as we are led to believe.
The snowflakes who need to create ideological distance between themselves and the Tories need to go so far left they are falling in line behind behind Momentum inspired ideals but don't have the balls to back the real idealists behind Corbyn and Dianne Abbot to see them through, because they only talk about being socialist.
The only way of registering their socialist liberal credentials without actually doing anything, is to go on social media giving vent to their outrage pretending they believe Theresa May and her cohorts are to the right of Attila the Hun conspiring with the World Lizards to kill poor people and rule the World for the benefit of Donald Trump and the super rich. Just like the rant tweeted above by a rabid anti Tory, they start to believe their own propaganda.
So. What is Conservative ideology?
Apparently in 2017 it's spouting extremely specious statistics and then calling anyone to the left of Nigel Farage an extremist
Re the plp corbyns poll ratings are what made them bail as he is fundamentally unelectable and crosses too many red lines both in style and substance for anyone over labours core 30% base. Unfair in my view to blame the plp.
But it is down to the PLP. If they truly believe that Corbyn is unelectable then they need to actually bail, not just bitch and moan and make Labour even more unelectable. Either put up and shut up, or form a new party that adheres to what they think Labour's core position should be and let the public decide. The reality is they don't like Corbyn, but they like being MPs and believe that it's only core Labour voters that will guarantee them keeping that job.
They clearly don't believe that they themselves are electable without the Labour badge.
It pains me to say this, but with Corbyn in charge of the Labour party we are as good as dead in the water, (as a Labour supporter I am saying this). I'm old enough to remember Michael Foot (god rest his soul) and Neil Kinnock who tried and failed to take on the Tories and were decimated. Both in my opinion were better than Corbyn, but this country is more central right/left than left and always has been. The world recently has taken a massive lurch to the right, the media in this country is mainly right leading, we (the Labour party) didn't need a more left leading leader at this time. He faffed about on Brexit ( shame we are leaving, but that is what democracy is about), he has no coherent policy on what he would do re Brexit. Diane Abbott is a liability (time to give up), people are afraid of McDonnell. He is not appealing to the voters, but lurching from one crisis to another. If, as I expect, Labour is soundly defeated at the GE, then perhaps those that supported Corbyn may realise that his type of socialism, in the main, is not what sits well in the UK, and may well deselect him. I don't know the answer, but I rue the day that David Milliband lost the leadership contest to his brother. Just my opinion, and I don't expect many Labour supporters to agree with me, but I would rather have a good alternative leader to stop what looks like a very right-wing Tory party, leading a very hard Brexit and DM would have been that man.
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But I'm voting Wagstaff.
I think I could win that one for Labour.
"Every country has the government it deserves"
Plenty of charlatans on all sides of the house though.
I am willing to bet a nice few quid Saga, that Corbyn will not be PM, if as you say you believe he is electable than make a wager.
They got what they deserved and will now reap the wind for their lack of conviction.
Working earnings of the poorest fifth households before tax and benefits was £7,153 per household (an increase of 16.4%) with an additional £7,612 of cash benefits being given to cover housing, tax credits, pensions and other support, giving average total income before tax of £14,765 per household in that category.
The official figures for the same category shows state benefits, including education and healthcare, amount to £15,198 p.a. per household.
Average wages increased by 1.8% above inflation.
Unemployment fell from 5.6% to 5.1%. (5% is reckoned to be the lowest figure an economy can expect to reach if there is a turnover of businesses failing and being created)
The value of benefits in kind - education and healthcare was valued at £7,586 p.a per household across the board.
The inequality gap closed marginally, higher earners still enjoyed increased wages and benefits with the highest earners now earning 12 times the lowest earners, the ratio having previously been 14:1.
Nothing to crow about, but is there really enough there that fits the picture of the poor being deliberately ground into the dirt by the government. Is it better or worse than 10 years ago?
Voters not choosing Labour might just understand that structural problems affecting funding for public services, housing and homelessness are not actually created as part of government policy, as we are led to believe.
The snowflakes who need to create ideological distance between themselves and the Tories need to go so far left they are falling in line behind behind Momentum inspired ideals but don't have the balls to back the real idealists behind Corbyn and Dianne Abbot to see them through, because they only talk about being socialist.
The only way of registering their socialist liberal credentials without actually doing anything, is to go on social media giving vent to their outrage pretending they believe Theresa May and her cohorts are to the right of Attila the Hun conspiring with the World Lizards to kill poor people and rule the World for the benefit of Donald Trump and the super rich. Just like the rant tweeted above by a rabid anti Tory, they start to believe their own propaganda.
What is Conservative ideology?
They clearly don't believe that they themselves are electable without the Labour badge.
He is not appealing to the voters, but lurching from one crisis to another. If, as I expect, Labour is soundly defeated at the GE, then perhaps those that supported Corbyn may realise that his type of socialism, in the main, is not what sits well in the UK, and may well deselect him.
I don't know the answer, but I rue the day that David Milliband lost the leadership contest to his brother. Just my opinion, and I don't expect many Labour supporters to agree with me, but I would rather have a good alternative leader to stop what looks like a very right-wing Tory party, leading a very hard Brexit and DM would have been that man.