I actually broadly like the manifesto - some of Corbyn's more extreme desires (scrapping Trident/NATO) seem to have been reigned in. Ultimately I doubt it will make much difference as the Tory's have proved then can put just about anything in their manifesto and still romo home with a huge majority.
If anybody buys and reads the Daily Mail it is one of the biggest condemnations of our education system ever. 'Drags.' What? Kicking and screaming to a world where social care is taken seriously, and housing, and education?
I bloody loved the 1970s - I walked out of school with a few 'o' levels straight into a job, in fact I had a choice of jobs. I could afford to drink beer in pubs... Ah, lunchtime drinking! My music was on vinyl or compact cassette, my car was made in Britain by a British company (Austin). Those really were the days. If Corbyn is taking us back there, roll on 8th June.
Got to say May has played a blinder calling this election.
Just watched the Liberals Tom Brake talking about their announcement of taking 50,000! Syrian refugees and Andrew Neil making him look like a silly school boy when it comes to explaining how it will be payed for and the logistics of it.
And that's the problem for the opposition parties.
Groups of ill equipped people on an incredibly short timescale trying to rustle up policies that are actually feasible and will make people actually vote for them.
Got to say May has played a blinder calling this election.
Just watched the Liberals Tom Brake talking about their announcement of taking 50,000! Syrian refugees and Andrew Neil making him look like a silly school boy when it comes to explaining how it will be payed for and the logistics of it.
And that's the problem for the opposition parties.
Groups of ill equipped people on an incredibly short timescale trying to rustle up policies that are actually feasible and will make people actually vote for them.
And so to twenty years of Tory rule :-(
Bollox!!
One of the reasons, I would suggest, why the Fixed Term legislation was passed.
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?
but there not comparable, the lefties are still crying because of the referendum decision, there will probably be riots if may wins ( which i think she will do quite easily ) as the choices of corbyn or abbot are like trying to pick a bloke to punch you in the head.
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?
but there not comparable, the lefties are still crying because of the referendum decision, there will probably be riots if may wins ( which i think she will do quite easily ) as the choices of corbyn or abbot are like trying to pick a bloke to punch you in the head.
At least I'll get healthcare free at point of service when he does punch me in the head.
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?
but there not comparable, the lefties are still crying because of the referendum decision, there will probably be riots if may wins ( which i think she will do quite easily ) as the choices of corbyn or abbot are like trying to pick a bloke to punch you in the head.
You should have answered with a question. Preferably one that's been asked scores of times before
If anybody buys and reads the Daily Mail it is one of the biggest condemnations of our education system ever. 'Drags.' What? Kicking and screaming to a world where social care is taken seriously, and housing, and education?
The irony being of course that on another day they'll run stories about how terrible it is our post offices are closing
Just for the sake of clarity, The Post Office is 100% owned by HM Government. It was, is and probably always will be state owned. It is already nationalised.
The Labours are talking about re-nationalising Royal Mail, an entirely separate business.
(I guess where @MuttleyCAFC is talking about privatisation he means nationalisation?)
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
It's only taking the extremes to make a point. Labour are talking about things people actually care about. The Tories want to bring back some middle ages hobby that appeals to 1% of voters.
Besides that, none of their cuts to public spending, nor their cuts on corporation taxes, appeal to me either.
It's not just the bloody foxes that I care about, though it does a good job of highlighting how out of touch Theresa May is.
It is a massive if - but if Corbyn can follow this up by convincing people all of this is costed it could get interesting. The Tories are going to say it isn't affordable so Corbyn is going to have to actually say - if you are on X to Y I promise you will not be worse off. If people believe him and he will need to make abig thing of this promise, he could win votes, as long as Y isn't too low a figure. It has been suggested to me that it coud be as high as people earning under £75 to £80k not being worse off. I suspect that won't happen, but there is a feint glimmer of hope for Labour.
Animal rights should be a big deal. I won't apologise for saying it is very important to me.
I would like to see some anger and agression in their broadcasts and approach too. It is anger which inspires people and there is lots to be angry about with this government.
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?
but there not comparable, the lefties are still crying because of the referendum decision, there will probably be riots if may wins ( which i think she will do quite easily ) as the choices of corbyn or abbot are like trying to pick a bloke to punch you in the head.
I'm a labour voter but if May led with your analogy about getting punched in the head as opposed to her strong and stable, I'd probably change my vote to conservative
There won't be many people on all sides of the political fence that wouldn't want more money spent on the NHS
The reason I haven't and probably never will vote labour is that they always try to turn it into some form of class war.
Admittedly I am in the 5% that they seem to hate and want to tax the hell out of but really, if you are on £80k a year with a housewife, 2/3 kids, mortgage, and live in the South East are you really 'rich'? I know I'm not.
I'm all for paying my way and every penny I earn is taxed as it should be but I can honestly see Labour taxing 50-60% of my salary if they get in and admittedly that may be a selfish view but I work hard to look after my family first and the rest of the country second.
If only we could decide where our taxes go because mine would go on NHS, education, defence rather than trade unions and worrying about bedroom tax
They've stated in the past that they would have increased income tax during the start of the recession but not know. Their aim is to get large corporations to pay their fare share, whether or not that's possible or benefits the economy is up for debate, personally I'm for that rather than going strong on the poor and weak and austerity. Perhaps if loop holes on the rich were closed we could afford to reduce the higher 50% rate on over £100k earners?
There isn't a 50% rate and not at £100k.
Earnings between £100k and £123k are taxed at 62% (inc 2% NI) earnings 123k - 150k back at 42%, over £150k 47%.
I'd love to know where these loop holes are. 99% of people employed above £80k are on PAYE.
They are in real danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here, adding 20% to school fees will see a large number of people going back to state schools, I know 3 people who would have to do just that and that's before they earn even less due to higher taxation on their salaries.
You also have the migration effect, many jobs/industries don't have to be here. Where I work our 3 most senior Underwriters would go to Bermuda so say goodbye to probably £500,000-£1m in income tax revenue.
There won't be many people on all sides of the political fence that wouldn't want more money spent on the NHS
The reason I haven't and probably never will vote labour is that they always try to turn it into some form of class war.
Admittedly I am in the 5% that they seem to hate and want to tax the hell out of but really, if you are on £80k a year with a housewife, 2/3 kids, mortgage, and live in the South East are you really 'rich'? I know I'm not.
I'm all for paying my way and every penny I earn is taxed as it should be but I can honestly see Labour taxing 50-60% of my salary if they get in and admittedly that may be a selfish view but I work hard to look after my family first and the rest of the country second.
If only we could decide where our taxes go because mine would go on NHS, education, defence rather than trade unions and worrying about bedroom tax
They've stated in the past that they would have increased income tax during the start of the recession but not know. Their aim is to get large corporations to pay their fare share, whether or not that's possible or benefits the economy is up for debate, personally I'm for that rather than going strong on the poor and weak and austerity. Perhaps if loop holes on the rich were closed we could afford to reduce the higher 50% rate on over £100k earners?
There isn't a 50% rate and not at £100k.
Earnings between £100k and £123k are taxed at 62% (inc 2% NI) earnings 123k - 150k back at 42%, over £150k 47%.
I'd love to know where these loop holes are. 99% of people employed above £80k are on PAYE.
They are in real danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here, adding 20% to school fees will see a large number of people going back to state schools, I know 3 people who would have to do just that and that's before they earn even less due to higher taxation on their salaries.
You also have the migration effect, many jobs/industries don't have to be here. Where I work our 3 most senior Underwriters would go to Bermuda so say goodbye to probably £500,000-£1m in income tax revenue.
It's very much be careful what you wish for.
My son is being educated in a state school as are most of our kids and I wouldn't have it any other way -more pupils of parents who care about their education will improve state education. My son is taking his GCSEs and I am very happy with the education he has received by the way.
Interesting, it will be close i'm sure as UKIP had nearly 6,500 votes last time. If you assumed votes went the same way but all greens voted Labour and all UKIP voted conservative it'd be a 2k majority for conservatives so Labour need to convert 1000+ of the UKIP voters.
Shame as I as thinking of voting green in protest!
The Greens' common sense on this stands in stark contrast to the Lib Dems (in particular) and Labour. This would make me far more likely to vote Green if they were the best candidate to beat the Tories, something I wasn't sure about a couple of weeks ago.
the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.
Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?
Although it's a bit bloody difficult to forensically examine May's domestic agenda as she's too busy repeating "strong and stable" on a loop and going on about Brexit.
May was asked this evening on LBC would she raise taxes, on each occassion she refused to answer, but said the tory party wer the party of low taxation for working class families...what tosh.
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Now where has that phrase been used before?
Just watched the Liberals Tom Brake talking about their announcement of taking 50,000! Syrian refugees and Andrew Neil making him look like a silly school boy when it comes to explaining how it will be payed for and the logistics of it.
And that's the problem for the opposition parties.
Groups of ill equipped people on an incredibly short timescale trying to rustle up policies that are actually feasible and will make people actually vote for them.
And so to twenty years of Tory rule :-(
Bollox!!
The Labours are talking about re-nationalising Royal Mail, an entirely separate business.
(I guess where @MuttleyCAFC is talking about privatisation he means nationalisation?)
Besides that, none of their cuts to public spending, nor their cuts on corporation taxes, appeal to me either.
It's not just the bloody foxes that I care about, though it does a good job of highlighting how out of touch Theresa May is.
Animal rights should be a big deal. I won't apologise for saying it is very important to me.
Earnings between £100k and £123k are taxed at 62% (inc 2% NI) earnings 123k - 150k back at 42%, over £150k 47%.
I'd love to know where these loop holes are. 99% of people employed above £80k are on PAYE.
They are in real danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here, adding 20% to school fees will see a large number of people going back to state schools, I know 3 people who would have to do just that and that's before they earn even less due to higher taxation on their salaries.
You also have the migration effect, many jobs/industries don't have to be here. Where I work our 3 most senior Underwriters would go to Bermuda so say goodbye to probably £500,000-£1m in income tax revenue.
It's very much be careful what you wish for.
Shame as I as thinking of voting green in protest!
https://853blog.com/2017/05/11/election-2017-three-to-challenge-pennycook-in-greenwich-woolwich/
Jeez.