They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader to turn his party's fortunes around and until Labour find someone who can appeal to a broader cross section they're doomed.
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
The real world?
Yes the real world. If we had an election on this thread the conservative party would be wiped out. Next month in the real world they will wipe out everyone else.
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
The real world?
If Charlton Life political forums were representative of the electorate the UK would currently be the poster child for EU integration and Labour would be heading for an electoral landslide. This site definitely doesn't reflect the real world.
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
The real world?
If Charlton Life political forums were representative of the electorate the UK would currently be the poster children of EU integration and Labour would be heading for an electoral landslide. This site definitely doesn't reflect the real world.
This site is far to educated, well read and articulate to reflect the wider electorate.
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
The real world?
If Charlton Life political forums were representative of the electorate the UK would currently be the poster children of EU integration and Labour would be heading for an electoral landslide. This site definitely doesn't reflect the real world.
This site is far to educated, well read and articulate to reflect the wider electorate.
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader to turn his party's fortunes around and until Labour find someone who can appeal to a broader cross section they're doomed.
Christ almighty. Pretty much everyone on this thread has been critical of Corbyn, Abbot, etc, a lot of what Labour have done in the past and poster after poster has agreed with your opinion he's not the man for the job. Why do you insist on not recognising this and pretending this is some hotbed of radical left thinking let alone think you can speak on behalf of the "most of the electorate"?
Blimey, must it really be the case that unless you're down with a hard brexit, Tories can do no wrong attitude it follows you're a loony lefty completely out of sync with reality?
They don't seem any more ridiculous than Corbyn as Prime Minister and Abbott as his Home Secretary. That's the nub of this election.
Or May as Prime Minister and Johnson as her Foreign Secretary.
In the Charlton Life echo chamber you're of course right. Outside in the real world Corbyn and Labour are despised or at best mistrusted by most of the electorate. He's not the leader
The real world?
If Charlton Life political forums were representative of the electorate the UK would currently be the poster children of EU integration and Labour would be heading for an electoral landslide. This site definitely doesn't reflect the real world.
I have not said that Charlton Life represents the real world. However beyond Charlton Life there are countless versions of reality. If next month 'in reality they will wipe out everybody else' then I assume nobody will vote for anybody else. In the UK version of democracy the Tories will win the General Election, but to assume that such a victory is in harmony with the real world is disputable. As a for instance, would the 4 million votes and two seats for UKIP and the Greens represent a satisfactory outcome in the 'real world', or would it be an example where the 'real world' would need to get real regarding the UK electorate? As for EU integration, if a French Nuclear Reactor or even the Dungeness Nuclear reactor went belly up, would the destructive radioactive fall out stay on their respective sides of La Manche?
Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"
They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.
Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?
I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?
That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
Themselves?
Each other! sorry.
No doubt I will be reading lots of comments from you over the next few weeks that slag off the Tories and argue in favour of PR then.
I'm not in favour of PR actually. I think first past the post in principle helps form stable government and also allows the electorate throw out a governing party.
What a time to be alive when wanting the poor to have enough money to buy food is seen as dangerous loony leftism and unaffordable, whereas the party throwing billions down the drain on pointless ideological pet projects are seen as the strong and stable sensible economic choice.
Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"
They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.
Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?
I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?
That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
Themselves?
Each other! sorry.
No doubt I will be reading lots of comments from you over the next few weeks that slag off the Tories and argue in favour of PR then.
I'm not in favour of PR actually. I think first past the post in principle helps form stable government and also allows the electorate throw out a governing party.
What a time to be alive when wanting the poor to have enough money to buy food is seen as dangerous loony leftism and unaffordable, whereas the party throwing billions down the drain on pointless ideological pet projects are seen as the strong and stable sensible economic choice.
What a time to be alive when wanting the poor to have enough money to buy food is seen as dangerous loony leftism and unaffordable, whereas the party throwing billions down the drain on pointless ideological pet projects are seen as the strong and stable sensible economic choice.
£12 billion. (240x more expensive than the Garden Bridge - which would last longer than 4 weeks)
It was twelve years ago that the UK won the right to host the Olympics and Paralympics, so, even though it cost just under £8.8bn (not £12bn) it might be time to let it go. Especially as it was profitable.
I am going to love the finger jabbing get over it triumphalism when the Tories win.
Especially as it will make the exposure of their subsequent f**k ups all the more amusing.
I would like the Tories to win, and I am pretty sure the first item on the Tory agenda is to suss out how to win again in 2022.
However I suspect the tide will turn, because people are becoming sick of the political class (of all persuasions), look at Macron, look at UKIP look at Trump as examples, and nothing defines the political ruling class better than the Tories. There will be some kind of alternative to vote for, Brexit will absolutely fail to unite the country in any way, austerity, homelessness and hopelessness will be embedded, the public services will have been neglected, and probably only kept going by people working for free and reluctant reactive government intervention (see prison riots and NHS internet hacks as examples of this). The minority third who might possibly benefit from a Tory government will cower behind their gated communities, and be forever on the phone to their private security people and their private medical providers as they double lock the doors of their 4 by 4's to drive their kids to the selective Grammar school, past the gauntlet of sneering looks from the oiks and their families as they go to their run down school where they squeeze fifty into a class. The brave ones will shout out of the car windows that the rest of the population should get over it and stop playing the victim. (This is a mixture of rant and prediction by the way).
Even Lynton Crosby, Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail will struggle to turn the UK in five years time into a good news story.
What a time to be alive when wanting the poor to have enough money to buy food is seen as dangerous loony leftism and unaffordable, whereas the party throwing billions down the drain on pointless ideological pet projects are seen as the strong and stable sensible economic choice.
Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"
They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.
Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?
I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?
That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
Themselves?
Each other! sorry.
No doubt I will be reading lots of comments from you over the next few weeks that slag off the Tories and argue in favour of PR then.
I'm not in favour of PR actually. I think first past the post in principle helps form stable government and also allows the electorate throw out a governing party.
Thanks for the response and explaining why you hold an opinion.
I went with the FPTP creates stable and strong governments argument for years before I examined it more closely.
The two party state which I believe both you and I have said we dislike is created by the first past the post system have a look at this which I think explains it really well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo stick with it although the American accent can grate a bit and at first it might come across as a bit childish.
Off the top of my head it took the following amount of votes to win one seat at the last election Con - 30,000 Lab - 45,000 LD - 300,000 SNP - 20,000 UKIP - 4,000,000 Green - 1,100,000
Clearly that is incredibly unfair on UKIP (and I really dislike them) and the Greens and gives a real advantage to the SNP and the Conservatives. FPTP puts people off voting leading to the low turnouts we now get and at best makes people vote for the least worst candidate in their area, which is how incidentally I will be voting.
Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"
They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.
Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?
I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?
That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
Themselves?
Each other! sorry.
No doubt I will be reading lots of comments from you over the next few weeks that slag off the Tories and argue in favour of PR then.
I'm not in favour of PR actually. I think first past the post in principle helps form stable government and also allows the electorate throw out a governing party.
Thanks for the response and explaining why you hold an opinion.
I went with the FPTP creates stable and strong governments argument for years before I examined it more closely.
The two party state which I believe both you and I have said we dislike is created by the first past the post system have a look at this which I think explains it really well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo stick with it although the American accent can grate a bit and at first it might come across as a bit childish.
Off the top of my head it took the following amount of votes to win one seat at the last election Con - 30,000 Lab - 45,000 LD - 300,000 SNP - 20,000 UKIP - 4,000,000 Green - 1,100,000
Clearly that is incredibly unfair on UKIP (and I really dislike them) and the Greens and gives a real advantage to the SNP and the Conservatives. FPTP puts people off voting leading to the low turnouts we now get and at best makes people vote for the least worst candidate in their area, which is how incidentally I will be voting.
I am going to love the finger jabbing get over it triumphalism when the Tories win.
Especially as it will make the exposure of their subsequent f**k ups all the more amusing.
I would like the Tories to win, and I am pretty sure the first item on the Tory agenda is to suss out how to win again in 2022.
Labour have never made any fuck ups before and would not make any going forward.
I am not bigging up Labour in this particular rant, but I am wholly negative about the Tories. maybe in an hour something will occur to me, but sitting here right now I am struggling to think of anything good the Tories have done. Maybe gay marriage is to their credit but I suppose not being a business person I feel an immense disconnect from people like Hunt, May, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Gove and so on. Weirdly I chatted to the Lewisham East Tory candidate at the 2015 hustings, and on a personal level I quite liked the bloke as a bloke, but he was a Tory and he would have voted for their stuff, so that was that.
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If we had an election on this thread the conservative party would be wiped out.
Next month in the real world they will wipe out everyone else.
Just asking
Cant we all just agree on one thing?
Blimey, must it really be the case that unless you're down with a hard brexit, Tories can do no wrong attitude it follows you're a loony lefty completely out of sync with reality?
I'm just reassured by the new Tory campaign bus.
If next month 'in reality they will wipe out everybody else' then I assume nobody will vote for anybody else.
In the UK version of democracy the Tories will win the General Election, but to assume that such a victory is in harmony with the real world is disputable.
As a for instance, would the 4 million votes and two seats for UKIP and the Greens represent a satisfactory outcome in the 'real world',
or would it be an example where the 'real world' would need to get real regarding the UK electorate?
As for EU integration, if a French Nuclear Reactor or even the Dungeness Nuclear reactor went belly up, would the destructive radioactive fall out stay on their respective sides of La Manche?
£12 billion. (240x more expensive than the Garden Bridge - which would last longer than 4 weeks)
2012 Olympics and Paralympics £528m under budget
UK economy received a £9.9bn boost in trade and investment from staging the Games
Especially as it will make the exposure of their subsequent f**k ups all the more amusing.
I would like the Tories to win, and I am pretty sure the first item on the Tory agenda is to suss out how to win again in 2022.
However I suspect the tide will turn, because people are becoming sick of the political class (of all persuasions), look at Macron, look at UKIP look at Trump as examples, and nothing defines the political ruling class better than the Tories.
There will be some kind of alternative to vote for, Brexit will absolutely fail to unite the country in any way, austerity, homelessness and hopelessness will be embedded, the public services will have been neglected, and probably only kept going by people working for free and reluctant reactive government intervention (see prison riots and NHS internet hacks as examples of this). The minority third who might possibly benefit from a Tory government will cower behind their gated communities, and be forever on the phone to their private security people and their private medical providers as they double lock the doors of their 4 by 4's to drive their kids to the selective Grammar school, past the gauntlet of sneering looks from the oiks and their families as they go to their run down school where they squeeze fifty into a class. The brave ones will shout out of the car windows that the rest of the population should get over it and stop playing the victim. (This is a mixture of rant and prediction by the way).
Even Lynton Crosby, Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail will struggle to turn the UK in five years time into a good news story.
Even by your standards this is incredibly flimsy straw clutching.
I went with the FPTP creates stable and strong governments argument for years before I examined it more closely.
The two party state which I believe both you and I have said we dislike is created by the first past the post system have a look at this which I think explains it really well
Off the top of my head it took the following amount of votes to win one seat at the last election
Con - 30,000
Lab - 45,000
LD - 300,000
SNP - 20,000
UKIP - 4,000,000
Green - 1,100,000
Clearly that is incredibly unfair on UKIP (and I really dislike them) and the Greens and gives a real advantage to the SNP and the Conservatives. FPTP puts people off voting leading to the low turnouts we now get and at best makes people vote for the least worst candidate in their area, which is how incidentally I will be voting.
Weirdly I chatted to the Lewisham East Tory candidate at the 2015 hustings, and on a personal level I quite liked the bloke as a bloke, but he was a Tory and he would have voted for their stuff, so that was that.