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The General Election - June 8th 2017
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Seth, are you feeling ok ?Covered End said:I doubt if Tories actively want children to die, but don't give much of a fuck if they do as long as they're somebody elses.
This is an outrageous thing to say and I won't lower the tone further, if that was even possible, by commenting further.
See my apology above.0 -
Just seen, fair enough.0
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Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?0 -
Footballers are fuckers. Especially Premier League ones, they do pay their taxes though... some of them.0
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It's always a balance, likewise I'm probably not far short of a 5 figure sum worse of.Southendaddick said:Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?
Totally agree on Child Benefit, the bit I disagreed with when they brought it in is a couple earning £50k each still get it in full, if one parent decides to be a stay at home mother/father and the other earns £60k they don't get it....... should be joint incomes as even two people at £50k will earn net more than 1 at £100k.
Never understood the winter fuel allowance either. Spot on right for the hard up pensioners, but that's not everyone, my dad doesn't need it and I'd rather a larger amount went to someone who did (which he'd 100% agree if he didn't have dementia).
The only reason I gave the few examples is due to some of the political clap trap about how 'the rich' have got away with blue murder when it comes to tax under the Conservatives. However whichever way you look at it the Conservatives have been harder on the higher tax payers than labour ever were.
I had a great debate with my Labour MP once when he kept going on about how disgusting the conservatives were in 2012/13 (can't remember the exact date) dropping the higher rate from 50p to 45p, he didn't like it when I pointed out that Labour when they were In power for 13 years only increased it from 40p to 50p a couple of weeks before the end of their tenure!
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Do you think the Prime Minister believes her own party's lies that anything other than a tiny minority of benefits claimants are workshy criminals?0
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Can't wait for the Sun and Mail spin on this...Callumcafc said:
"May" I Have Some More? Outrageous as PM is confronted by beastly hysterical benefits cheat and probable migrant.9 - Sponsored links:
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I would love to put these fuckers in the inner sanctum of the Tory party in a gig economy job for a month or so and see if they still have the bravado to say you just have to 'work' your way out of povertyJollyRobin said:
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We were not in a time of so called "Austerity" though.Rob7Lee said:
It's always a balance, likewise I'm probably not far short of a 5 figure sum worse of.Southendaddick said:Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?
Totally agree on Child Benefit, the bit I disagreed with when they brought it in is a couple earning £50k each still get it in full, if one parent decides to be a stay at home mother/father and the other earns £60k they don't get it....... should be joint incomes as even two people at £50k will earn net more than 1 at £100k.
Never understood the winter fuel allowance either. Spot on right for the hard up pensioners, but that's not everyone, my dad doesn't need it and I'd rather a larger amount went to someone who did (which he'd 100% agree if he didn't have dementia).
The only reason I gave the few examples is due to some of the political clap trap about how 'the rich' have got away with blue murder when it comes to tax under the Conservatives. However whichever way you look at it the Conservatives have been harder on the higher tax payers than labour ever were.
I had a great debate with my Labour MP once when he kept going on about how disgusting the conservatives were in 2012/13 (can't remember the exact date) dropping the higher rate from 50p to 45p, he didn't like it when I pointed out that Labour when they were In power for 13 years only increased it from 40p to 50p a couple of weeks before the end of their tenure!0 -
Are people actually trying to say that the Tories are for poor people and keeping a straight face?1
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Politician in getting pulled up by member of the public while out canvassing shockerFiiish said:
Can't wait for the Sun and Mail spin on this...Callumcafc said:
"May" I Have Some More? Outrageous as PM is confronted by beastly hysterical benefits cheat and probable migrant.1 -
The NSA develop a cyber weapon to attack code in XPs case that is over a decade old and that's Microsofts crap product fault? Hmm..
Interesting that it hit a lot of Russian machines..0 -
It's been sorted - http://newsthump.com/2017/05/15/government-pledge-to-upgrade-nhs-zx-spectrums-to-commodore-64s/razil said:The NSA develop a cyber weapon to attack code in XPs case that is over a decade old and that's Microsofts crap product fault? Hmm..
Interesting that it hit a lot of Russian machines..2 -
Really to not have a robust security policy and patching policy nowadays is criminal.1
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Were we not? We were 2 years post financial crisis when the 50p rate came in. Why weren't we taxing harder during the good times?C_A_F_C said:
We were not in a time of so called "Austerity" though.Rob7Lee said:
It's always a balance, likewise I'm probably not far short of a 5 figure sum worse of.Southendaddick said:Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?
Totally agree on Child Benefit, the bit I disagreed with when they brought it in is a couple earning £50k each still get it in full, if one parent decides to be a stay at home mother/father and the other earns £60k they don't get it....... should be joint incomes as even two people at £50k will earn net more than 1 at £100k.
Never understood the winter fuel allowance either. Spot on right for the hard up pensioners, but that's not everyone, my dad doesn't need it and I'd rather a larger amount went to someone who did (which he'd 100% agree if he didn't have dementia).
The only reason I gave the few examples is due to some of the political clap trap about how 'the rich' have got away with blue murder when it comes to tax under the Conservatives. However whichever way you look at it the Conservatives have been harder on the higher tax payers than labour ever were.
I had a great debate with my Labour MP once when he kept going on about how disgusting the conservatives were in 2012/13 (can't remember the exact date) dropping the higher rate from 50p to 45p, he didn't like it when I pointed out that Labour when they were In power for 13 years only increased it from 40p to 50p a couple of weeks before the end of their tenure!
It's a fair point, but as my original point I hope shows the changes since 2010 have considerably increased the tax take from 'the rich' regardless of the drop from 50p to 45p but there is an argument as I think someone said 'was it enough', quite possibly not. On the flip side the tax take from the less well off has reduced dramatically, all right and proper in the times we find ourselves.
Who was it who removed the 10p rate?
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The wages of the less well off have reduced pretty dramatically too!0
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As both a Spectrum and C64 owner I would dispute this would be an upgrade. It depends if you like arcade shoot em ups with good sound or something a bit more challenging. The spectrum produced Knightlore which the C64 could never match.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
It's been sorted - http://newsthump.com/2017/05/15/government-pledge-to-upgrade-nhs-zx-spectrums-to-commodore-64s/razil said:The NSA develop a cyber weapon to attack code in XPs case that is over a decade old and that's Microsofts crap product fault? Hmm..
Interesting that it hit a lot of Russian machines..1 - Sponsored links:
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All of the examples you have given are forms of direct taxation and benefit. To be fair, I was surprised, but it is was not quite that simple as to how the tax burden changed. When you account for devaluation, wage stagnation, how dirstribution of wealth has changed and inflation, especially in poorer demographics, it is no wonder the conservatives have done this. As a proportion of income indirect taxation (VAT go e.g.), the least progressive form of taxation, has gone up in those same poorer groups when compared to richer ones.Rob7Lee said:
Were we not? We were 2 years post financial crisis when the 50p rate came in. Why weren't we taxing harder during the good times?C_A_F_C said:
We were not in a time of so called "Austerity" though.Rob7Lee said:
It's always a balance, likewise I'm probably not far short of a 5 figure sum worse of.Southendaddick said:Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?
Totally agree on Child Benefit, the bit I disagreed with when they brought it in is a couple earning £50k each still get it in full, if one parent decides to be a stay at home mother/father and the other earns £60k they don't get it....... should be joint incomes as even two people at £50k will earn net more than 1 at £100k.
Never understood the winter fuel allowance either. Spot on right for the hard up pensioners, but that's not everyone, my dad doesn't need it and I'd rather a larger amount went to someone who did (which he'd 100% agree if he didn't have dementia).
The only reason I gave the few examples is due to some of the political clap trap about how 'the rich' have got away with blue murder when it comes to tax under the Conservatives. However whichever way you look at it the Conservatives have been harder on the higher tax payers than labour ever were.
I had a great debate with my Labour MP once when he kept going on about how disgusting the conservatives were in 2012/13 (can't remember the exact date) dropping the higher rate from 50p to 45p, he didn't like it when I pointed out that Labour when they were In power for 13 years only increased it from 40p to 50p a couple of weeks before the end of their tenure!
It's a fair point, but as my original point I hope shows the changes since 2010 have considerably increased the tax take from 'the rich' regardless of the drop from 50p to 45p but there is an argument as I think someone said 'was it enough', quite possibly not. On the flip side the tax take from the less well off has reduced dramatically, all right and proper in the times we find ourselves.
Who was it who removed the 10p rate?
Edit: not sure how the loss of benefits compare to changes in jsa or other such policies, like bedroom tax, affect proportion of income.0 -
Good points about child benefit and winter fuel. I know you can opt out of child benefit (which you need to do when earning over 60k) but can you opt out of winter fuel? Unless I'm mistaken, means testing benefits is pretty expensive and doesn't necessarily result in a saving.2
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I look forward to the job creation programme that enables this to happen.JollyRobin said:3 -
Don't believe you can opt out of the winter fuel as i know a number of people who give it to charity.McBobbin said:Good points about child benefit and winter fuel. I know you can opt out of child benefit (which you need to do when earning over 60k) but can you opt out of winter fuel? Unless I'm mistaken, means testing benefits is pretty expensive and doesn't necessarily result in a saving.
The child allowance is quite funny actually. Only the recipient can choose to opt out. More often than not (think I was quoted 98%) it isn't the one with the tax liability that claims it. So you have this absurd situation where the non recipient has to repay it, yet due to law the government departments who deal with it are unable to tell the one who potentially owes the money back if indeed they do owe it or not! When I spoke to the tax office about this they just said 'ask your wife if she claims it or check her bank statements'!
That is very true about indirect taxes, I don't really have a handle on it but do come back to the direct tax burden has reduced dramatically, whether that outweighs the indirect I don't know, gut feel says yes but I guess it doesn't. That said the % of government revenue received on VAT has reduced since the mid 2000's.mcgrandall said:
All of the examples you have given are forms of direct taxation and benefit. To be fair, I was surprised, but it is was not quite that simple as to how the tax burden changed. When you account for devaluation, wage stagnation, how dirstribution of wealth has changed and inflation, especially in poorer demographics, it is no wonder the conservatives have done this. As a proportion of income indirect taxation (VAT go e.g.), the least progressive form of taxation, has gone up in those same poorer groups when compared to richer ones.Rob7Lee said:
Were we not? We were 2 years post financial crisis when the 50p rate came in. Why weren't we taxing harder during the good times?C_A_F_C said:
We were not in a time of so called "Austerity" though.Rob7Lee said:
It's always a balance, likewise I'm probably not far short of a 5 figure sum worse of.Southendaddick said:Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?
Totally agree on Child Benefit, the bit I disagreed with when they brought it in is a couple earning £50k each still get it in full, if one parent decides to be a stay at home mother/father and the other earns £60k they don't get it....... should be joint incomes as even two people at £50k will earn net more than 1 at £100k.
Never understood the winter fuel allowance either. Spot on right for the hard up pensioners, but that's not everyone, my dad doesn't need it and I'd rather a larger amount went to someone who did (which he'd 100% agree if he didn't have dementia).
The only reason I gave the few examples is due to some of the political clap trap about how 'the rich' have got away with blue murder when it comes to tax under the Conservatives. However whichever way you look at it the Conservatives have been harder on the higher tax payers than labour ever were.
I had a great debate with my Labour MP once when he kept going on about how disgusting the conservatives were in 2012/13 (can't remember the exact date) dropping the higher rate from 50p to 45p, he didn't like it when I pointed out that Labour when they were In power for 13 years only increased it from 40p to 50p a couple of weeks before the end of their tenure!
It's a fair point, but as my original point I hope shows the changes since 2010 have considerably increased the tax take from 'the rich' regardless of the drop from 50p to 45p but there is an argument as I think someone said 'was it enough', quite possibly not. On the flip side the tax take from the less well off has reduced dramatically, all right and proper in the times we find ourselves.
Who was it who removed the 10p rate?
Edit: not sure how the loss of benefits compare to changes in jsa or other such policies, like bedroom tax, affect proportion of income.
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Oh dear, another Tory promise broken: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39913552
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Vote May, More Austerity? Yes1
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Yeah we had a situation where my wife claimed it, I got a new job and couldn't claim it, so opted out and I had to fill in a self assessment... And they sent me one for the wrong year as well and tried to charge me for not returning it... I then went part time and could only claim some of it, so claimed it myself... That confused them as my wife claimed it last time... I'm supposed to pay tax on some of it but when I phoned them they said they'd write but haven't. Farcical. So I probably owe them. It covers the council tax at least and no I don't really really need it.Rob7Lee said:
Don't believe you can opt out of the winter fuel as i know a number of people who give it to charity.McBobbin said:Good points about child benefit and winter fuel. I know you can opt out of child benefit (which you need to do when earning over 60k) but can you opt out of winter fuel? Unless I'm mistaken, means testing benefits is pretty expensive and doesn't necessarily result in a saving.
The child allowance is quite funny actually. Only the recipient can choose to opt out. More often than not (think I was quoted 98%) it isn't the one with the tax liability that claims it. So you have this absurd situation where the non recipient has to repay it, yet due to law the government departments who deal with it are unable to tell the one who potentially owes the money back if indeed they do owe it or not! When I spoke to the tax office about this they just said 'ask your wife if she claims it or check her bank statements'!
That is very true about indirect taxes, I don't really have a handle on it but do come back to the direct tax burden has reduced dramatically, whether that outweighs the indirect I don't know, gut feel says yes but I guess it doesn't. That said the % of government revenue received on VAT has reduced since the mid 2000's.mcgrandall said:
All of the examples you have given are forms of direct taxation and benefit. To be fair, I was surprised, but it is was not quite that simple as to how the tax burden changed. When you account for devaluation, wage stagnation, how dirstribution of wealth has changed and inflation, especially in poorer demographics, it is no wonder the conservatives have done this. As a proportion of income indirect taxation (VAT go e.g.), the least progressive form of taxation, has gone up in those same poorer groups when compared to richer ones.Rob7Lee said:
Were we not? We were 2 years post financial crisis when the 50p rate came in. Why weren't we taxing harder during the good times?C_A_F_C said:
We were not in a time of so called "Austerity" though.Rob7Lee said:
It's always a balance, likewise I'm probably not far short of a 5 figure sum worse of.Southendaddick said:Good stats rob7lee
I reckon I'm roughly 5k worse off in pure take home income now than I would have been if I was earning the same under the last labour government
Don't begrudge it though, especially on child benefit which I think should be scrapped entirely (probably not a vote winner though)
There has to be a balance between someone with just a decent job in the City but who still has to save for luxuries like holidays and a Premier league footballers salary though doesn't there?
Where do you draw the line?
Totally agree on Child Benefit, the bit I disagreed with when they brought it in is a couple earning £50k each still get it in full, if one parent decides to be a stay at home mother/father and the other earns £60k they don't get it....... should be joint incomes as even two people at £50k will earn net more than 1 at £100k.
Never understood the winter fuel allowance either. Spot on right for the hard up pensioners, but that's not everyone, my dad doesn't need it and I'd rather a larger amount went to someone who did (which he'd 100% agree if he didn't have dementia).
The only reason I gave the few examples is due to some of the political clap trap about how 'the rich' have got away with blue murder when it comes to tax under the Conservatives. However whichever way you look at it the Conservatives have been harder on the higher tax payers than labour ever were.
I had a great debate with my Labour MP once when he kept going on about how disgusting the conservatives were in 2012/13 (can't remember the exact date) dropping the higher rate from 50p to 45p, he didn't like it when I pointed out that Labour when they were In power for 13 years only increased it from 40p to 50p a couple of weeks before the end of their tenure!
It's a fair point, but as my original point I hope shows the changes since 2010 have considerably increased the tax take from 'the rich' regardless of the drop from 50p to 45p but there is an argument as I think someone said 'was it enough', quite possibly not. On the flip side the tax take from the less well off has reduced dramatically, all right and proper in the times we find ourselves.
Who was it who removed the 10p rate?
Edit: not sure how the loss of benefits compare to changes in jsa or other such policies, like bedroom tax, affect proportion of income.0 -
Theresa May's flagship policy of giving workers a statutory right to a year's unpaid leave to care for a relative is being described as a bold attempt to woo Labour voters and a worker's rights revolution.
...how many Labour voters can afford to a take a year's unpaid leave?
And does anyone see this shameless deception for what it is? The Tories have spent 7 years slashing provision for those in need of care and attacking the third sector in general and this is apparently meant to solve the care crisis? Is anyone seriously thick enough to vote for this shit?15 -
They promise to maintain workers rights but if an employer acts illegally, the employee, probably now unemployed, has to cough up £1200 to take the case to a tribunal. Down to May.4
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Pmsl,harveys_gardener said:Vote May, More Austerity? Yes
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