In these situations, a lot depends on what the player wants. If a player wants to go, then it's really hard to make them stay.
Holmes, for example, wanted to leave Northampton for us, and asked for a transfer. And as we finished 3 places higher than them, it was clearly the right decision....
This for me will prove whether all the communications coming out of the club are legit or are platitudes. Ricky Holmes is the player we need to be build are team around. We shall see we shall see
This for me will prove whether all the communications coming out of the club are legit or are platitudes. Ricky Holmes is the player we need to be build are team around. We shall see we shall see
He had a great year. But the fact is he is about to turn 30. Most forwards peak out at age 27. There is s very good chance he won't replicate this season, next year. Or ever.
The data is quite strong on this. For every forward like Zlatan that power through into their 30s, there are 10 that decline sharply.
My guess is he goes for 1 million. And if we get that offer, both CAFC and Holmes, would be crazy not to take it.
For me, what's upsetting is the fact we know RD won't reinvest the money and that angers me more than Holmes getting a shot at a higher league while he can.
He had a great year. But the fact is he is about to turn 30. Most forwards peak out at age 27. There is s very good chance he won't replicate this season, next year. Or ever.
The data is quite strong on this. For every forward like Zlatan that power through into their 30s, there are 10 that decline sharply.
My guess is he goes for 1 million. And if we get that offer, both CAFC and Holmes, would be crazy not to take it.
For me, what's upsetting is the fact we know RD won't reinvest the money and that angers me more than Holmes getting a shot at a higher league while he can.
I'd be surprised if he went for even half a million, it will undisclosed and he'll be replaced by a youth player or someone who hasn't played for six months.
We bought him for £125k I believe. He's got a year left on his contract, Sheff Utd are a division higher and RD will be on a mission to recoup whatever he can/save as much money as possible. I would imagine if Sheff Utd put in £250k we'll let him go
Someone mentioned £1m earlier. He's not worth that at all imo
If he does go it'll no doubt be spun as "Holmes wanted to leave", we'll then find out that he was pretty much pushed out the door after a club offered 50k and a packet of wine gums
He had a great year. But the fact is he is about to turn 30. Most forwards peak out at age 27. There is s very good chance he won't replicate this season, next year. Or ever.
The data is quite strong on this. For every forward like Zlatan that power through into their 30s, there are 10 that decline sharply.
My guess is he goes for 1 million. And if we get that offer, both CAFC and Holmes, would be crazy not to take it.
For me, what's upsetting is the fact we know RD won't reinvest the money and that angers me more than Holmes getting a shot at a higher league while he can.
Trouble with this argument is that pretty much since being relegated from the PL 10 or so years ago someone has made it about our best players at the end of every season. Never works. Keep your best players and add to them.
Do the regime comprehend that in order to have any kind of season ticket sales improvement, they need to look like they are serious about putting a squad together for promotion. Selling a standout fan favourite player, who can be the basis of a promotion challenging team is totally moronic, and would be a detriment to ticket sales. Have they not learned anything from the Kermo sale?
Weapons. Grade. Facepalm.
Do they look capable of learning anything from their copious mistakes?
The only time I would accept Holmes being sold, is the scenario that RD try's to recuperate some of his losses and then sells the club
I was thinking that when he trousered the Lookman dough and spent nothing.
I agree with @Redrobo and think the key area in the negotiations will be the length of any contract extension. Holmes will want an extra two years to provide him and his family with some measure of security, whilst the club would probably prefer to offer him a one year extension. It will also obviously depend upon what any other suitors are prepared to offer.
It's imperative that we keep Ricky Holmes if the regime has a shred of ambition to get back to the Championship. The difficulty is that Duchatelet has form in terms of moving on star players and Meire's priority is probably going to be meeting her financial KPIs and trying to contain the level of losses. She is, in any event, unlikely to have any real influence over what our gimlet-eyed overlord decides when he surveys the financials. All that said, a good offer has apparently been made to Ben Reeves (at least according to his agent) so maybe, just maybe, the club are prepared to have a proper go this year. We live in hope (if not expectation).
He had a great year. But the fact is he is about to turn 30. Most forwards peak out at age 27. There is s very good chance he won't replicate this season, next year. Or ever.
The data is quite strong on this. For every forward like Zlatan that power through into their 30s, there are 10 that decline sharply.
My guess is he goes for 1 million. And if we get that offer, both CAFC and Holmes, would be crazy not to take it.
For me, what's upsetting is the fact we know RD won't reinvest the money and that angers me more than Holmes getting a shot at a higher league while he can.
When you say there is data on this can you share any of it? From what I've seen (and I appreciate that it's only anecdotal evidence) most players improve in their early 30s. In fact I can't remember seeing a player retire before he hit 30 that wasn't injured, for ages.
I think £1m for a player with one good season above the forth division and just one year left on his contract is way too much. I suspect it will be significantly less than £500k if he moves, which I agree he might. I'm not sure that Sheff Utd would want him, but it's a good place for his agent to start the rumors to increase his wages with us. I mean he already knows the manager and being newly promoted they might fancy a good third division player to add to their squad.
I would have thought that Millwall (assuming they win the playoffs) or QPR (maybe Ipswich or Norwich) would have been a more likely target if he isn't keen on going back up north. However, the more these teams offer the closer they seem to be.
Pacey forwards, e.g. Michael Owen, Torres do seem to fade earlier. Players who played a lot when young (Rooney?) do seem to fade earlier as well - he' s still only 31, yet is well past his best
On the other hand other strikers, who rely more on their all round game and hold up play, e.g. Zlatan, Sherringham, Shearer to an extent and yes Yann, can improve with age or at least maintain the same high standards
Pacey forwards, e.g. Michael Owen, Torres do seem to fade earlier. Players who played a lot when young (Rooney?) do seem to fade earlier as well - he' s still only 31, yet is well past his best
On the other hand other strikers, who rely more on their all round game and hold up play, e.g. Zlatan, Sherringham, Shearer to an extent and yes Yann, can improve with age or at least maintain the same high standards
Didn't all three of those players suffer significant injuries though? Certainly Owen had a long lay off at Newcastle and it was known by everyone - save for Abramovich, it wold seem - that Torres was finished when Liverpool sold him for £50m due to the injury he'd had the season before. Rooney, on the other hand, was never built to last into his 30s. I do agree that those that start very early at the top of the game tend to struggle later in their careers - but it didn't seem to stop Giggs, Beckham and Scoles playing well into their 30s and still winning titles.
I'm sure that some players will last longer than others it's just that I don't think players are finished at 30 like they used to be in the 70s, back when players drank more than fans.
My friend spoke to him after the last game of the season and he said "I have another year on my contract and plan to be here". He was looking to extend his contract
For all those who keep banging on about players fading in their 30s may I refer you to Yann Kermorgant - championship player of the month for April. Fortunately we got rid of him before he faded ....
We bought him for £125k I believe. He's got a year left on his contract, Sheff Utd are a division higher and RD will be on a mission to recoup whatever he can/save as much money as possible. I would imagine if Sheff Utd put in £250k we'll let him go
Someone mentioned £1m earlier. He's not worth that at all imo
So you don't think 89 Ricky Holmes' could beat 1 Paul Pogba in a football match?
If we want to build a team to get promoted next year, we have to keep our better players from this season! It is surely a no brainer. I can't see how we could sell Holmes for £250k and replace him for even double that! If we do get promoted, it might not be too hard to get him to sign a new contract.
We bought him for £125k I believe. He's got a year left on his contract, Sheff Utd are a division higher and RD will be on a mission to recoup whatever he can/save as much money as possible. I would imagine if Sheff Utd put in £250k we'll let him go
Someone mentioned £1m earlier. He's not worth that at all imo
Some players are worth more than the amount you could sell them for - Yann being one of them. Its the old saying about knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing. You sell Holmes for £250k but that money could not replace him - probably a figure closer to £1m is more realistic in terms of his "worth" Top goalscorer being the first thing to think about. Not only do you have to factor in trying to replace him as a winger you have to replace the goals he scored - ie, 2 players in 1.
As I said before - if he goes then I do. I wont set foot into the ground again unless my new team is playing there.
I honestly don't know why anyone in this club says that. If a remotely ok offer comes in for any of our players they will be off. Statements like this are best left unsaid.
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The data is quite strong on this. For every forward like Zlatan that power through into their 30s, there are 10 that decline sharply.
My guess is he goes for 1 million. And if we get that offer, both CAFC and Holmes, would be crazy not to take it.
For me, what's upsetting is the fact we know RD won't reinvest the money and that angers me more than Holmes getting a shot at a higher league while he can.
Someone mentioned £1m earlier. He's not worth that at all imo
It's imperative that we keep Ricky Holmes if the regime has a shred of ambition to get back to the Championship. The difficulty is that Duchatelet has form in terms of moving on star players and Meire's priority is probably going to be meeting her financial KPIs and trying to contain the level of losses. She is, in any event, unlikely to have any real influence over what our gimlet-eyed overlord decides when he surveys the financials. All that said, a good offer has apparently been made to Ben Reeves (at least according to his agent) so maybe, just maybe, the club are prepared to have a proper go this year. We live in hope (if not expectation).
I think £1m for a player with one good season above the forth division and just one year left on his contract is way too much. I suspect it will be significantly less than £500k if he moves, which I agree he might. I'm not sure that Sheff Utd would want him, but it's a good place for his agent to start the rumors to increase his wages with us. I mean he already knows the manager and being newly promoted they might fancy a good third division player to add to their squad.
I would have thought that Millwall (assuming they win the playoffs) or QPR (maybe Ipswich or Norwich) would have been a more likely target if he isn't keen on going back up north. However, the more these teams offer the closer they seem to be.
Pacey forwards, e.g. Michael Owen, Torres do seem to fade earlier.
Players who played a lot when young (Rooney?) do seem to fade earlier as well - he' s still only 31, yet is well past his best
On the other hand other strikers, who rely more on their all round game and hold up play, e.g. Zlatan, Sherringham, Shearer to an extent and yes Yann, can improve with age or at least maintain the same high standards
Any other players seem digging secret tunnels out of Ms.Nightmeire's lunatic asylum ?
Not Roger or Tex that's for sure.
I'm sure that some players will last longer than others it's just that I don't think players are finished at 30 like they used to be in the 70s, back when players drank more than fans.
My friend spoke to him after the last game of the season and he said "I have another year on my contract and plan to be here". He was looking to extend his contract
My understanding is this is still the case
standby for updates #goodnews
Holmes has plenty left to offer..
NOT FUNNY Some players are worth more than the amount you could sell them for - Yann being one of them. Its the old saying about knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing. You sell Holmes for £250k but that money could not replace him - probably a figure closer to £1m is more realistic in terms of his "worth" Top goalscorer being the first thing to think about. Not only do you have to factor in trying to replace him as a winger you have to replace the goals he scored - ie, 2 players in 1.
As I said before - if he goes then I do. I wont set foot into the ground again unless my new team is playing there.
Contract set to be extended, good news at last.
I honestly don't know why anyone in this club says that. If a remotely ok offer comes in for any of our players they will be off. Statements like this are best left unsaid.